Need source for "35% of Americans believe election was fraudulent" quote

[Amaryllis]

I keep seeing this statistic tossed around on DU but haven't found anyone who has a source for it. I need it for a presentation I am doing on Saturday. Anyone know?

If this is true, it's very encouraging; up fifteen percent in six months, with virtually NO help from MSM, other than Olbermann. That means it's individuals, election reform groups, and the internet, and alterative media. Not bad for no help from MSM.

[Melissa G]

1. 30 percent was what I saw in January..

The source was the Annenberg poll. it came of a DU fact sheet I pulled at the time of the hearings on voting machines in Texas. March maybe.. You could google annenberg or check DU archives.

[Amaryllis]

4. I did google Annenberg and didn't find it. Haven't been able to find

anything by googling. Also tried searching DU archives.

[SmokingJacket]

2. Wasn't it just 20% of Democrats after the election?

Because if it's really 35% of Americans, that would include *most* Democrats... which would suprise the hell out of me.

I'd be willing to believe it's like 35% of Dems by now, for sure.

[Fly by night]

7. No, it was 20% of Americans, not just Democrats.

And the Annenberg study (the source for the 30% figure) said (as I remember) that around 50% of Democrats, around 40% of Independents and around 10% of Republicans thought the election was stolen by January '05.

I will try to find a link to the discussion of the earlier Annenberg study. I'll post it if I find it.

[SmokingJacket]

11. Wow.

If the numbers are seriously that high -- and even higher now -- I'm beginning to have some faith that it will all come out, and sooner rather than later.

This has been said umpteen times, of course, but the extent to which the media have fallen down on this subject is mind-blowing.

(PS You were right; I remembered wrong. The cognitive dissonance ("this many people believe it, and NOTHING is being done??") must have altered my memory!!)

[helderheid]

12. This gives me hope too

[pk_du]

3. Not exactly what you're looking for but here's a great stat

http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/naes/2004_03_votes-counting_11-01_pr.pdf

[helderheid]

13. That is AMAZING

Thank you!!

"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
DATE: November 1, 2004
CONTACT: Adam Clymer at 202-879-6757 or 202 549-7161 (cell)
VISIT: www.naes04.org
ONLY 62 PERCENT OF REGISTERED VOTERS EXPECT THEIR VOTES
TO BE ACCURATELY COUNTED, ANNENBERG DATA SHOW
As of Election Eve, only 62 percent of registered voters are "very confident" that their votes will be
accurately counted, the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey shows.
Another 22 percent said they were "somewhat confident."
Voters committed to George W. Bush were much more optimistic than those committed to John
Kerry. Seventy-nine percent of Bush voters said they were "very confident" their votes would be
accurately counted, compared to just 48 percent of Kerry voters. The polling was conducted
among 2,757 registered voters from October 25 through 31."
<snip>

[Kip Humphrey]

5. I believe it was a CNN/Gallop poll in April

[Amaryllis]

16. YOu know a link?

[AtLiberty]

6. Bet the figure is higher now...

;)

[Fly by night]

8. Here's a link to a DU thread on the Annenberg report.

It includes a link to the entire study. Hope this helps.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=284842

[TruthIsAll]

9. If it was 30% in Jan., IMHO it's over 50% now...n/t

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[nightfire]

10. In December it was 18 to 19 % according to a

CNN/USAToday/Gallup poll I noted down a few months ago. (That meant all Americans.) But tracking it down again seems to be difficult, or at last time-consuming. Good hunting.

[FogerRox]

14. IIRC Mike Malloy mentioned it 2 months after the election

1st week in Jan--20% thought there was fraud---60 days after Nov. 2nd

90 days after Nov. 2nd it was up to 30%

30% of voters is like 36 million people, Randi Rhodes stated that her audience may be as high as 25 Million--just for perspective.

[Amaryllis]

15. But, is it 30% of voters or 30% of Americans? And, I still haven't seen

anything other than the CNN poll that Olbermann quoted that 20% of Americans thought Bush didn't win honestly, or...does anyone remember the wording? That the election was fradulent? At any rate, there is a difference between not trusting your vote was accurately counted and thinking the election was won fraudulently. People in Oregon are for the most part confident that their votes were accuratley counted, but many of them know the election was fraudulent. But, I am still searching for the 35% figure that has been quoted a number of places on DU lately.

[Bill Bored]

17. check Bloggermann! He said 20.

I posted results of the Exit Poll in the other thread. Mitofsky asked the question about confidence in the vote count. Interestingly, Repubs had a lot more confidence than Dems!

[Amaryllis]

18. The 20% figure was in November. A number of references on DU have

said it's now 35% but I have yet to find a source for that figure.

[Bill Bored]

20. Annenberg has been mentioned.

The other one is the NEP Exit Poll in which only half of the respondents were "very confident" that their votes were being accurately counted. Why isn't THAT being cited more?

Why wasn't it 90%, or more?

Why did so many people say only "somewhat confident?"

And why was there such a large difference between Kerry and Bush voters?

Almost twice as many Bush voters thought their votes would count than Kerry voters, and this on Election Day, at the polls! Why?

Either the Republicans just blindly trust the system, which they probably do since they seem to be running it (into the ground) and actually did vote for Bush, or the Dems are just naturally suspicious.

BTW, aren't the Repubs the ones who are NOT supposed to trust the Government? What a bunch of farking hypocrites they are!

The fallout from FL 2000 may also have contributed.

It would be interesting to see if this had been the case in previous elections. Have Dems always been so suspicious of the vote count?

[tommcintyre]

19. OK, heres the January 30 percent Annenberg link

1 - January 7th, 2005 National Annenberg Election Survey (page 2 - 30% of American voters were NOT “very confident that their vote had been counted accurately”. This number is up from 20% in surveys taken the month before.)
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/naes/2004_03_mindset-bush-kerry-supporters_%2001-05_pr.pdf

It's inferred since 70 percent said they were confident if I recall.

[Bill Bored]

21. Good, but in the EXIT POLLS, it was actually 50%!!!

The operative wording "very confident" was the same, although in Mitofsky's poll, it was multiple choice.

What was the format of the Annenberg question?

[Amaryllis]

22. What was 50% in the exit polls? The number of people who thought their

votes wouldn't be counted accurately? Did they ask that?

[Bill Bored]

26. Only 50% were Very Confident. nt

[tommcintyre]

24. I like 50 percent... gotta link?

It's true this reflects the pre-Kerry "reassurances", but still it would be very useful to have this link.

Also, it indicates the "support" is weak in a significant proportion of the "confident" group. It wouldn't take much to knock them over into the "less-than-confident" group. My guess is that the "right" info, publicized adequately could easily push this number into the 60's.

I think that's why they are trying so hard to discredit the USCV report. If somehow they were forced to let them testify at the C/B Comm in June; and Bush's approval continues to fall, or even remain low, the MSM may suddenly have enough courage to really cover the story.

I don't know how the Annenberg question was "framed", any more than what's available in the report.

[Bill Bored]

27. See post #25 nt

[Bill Bored]

25. Link to my post in another thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=370199&mesg_id=370302

[Amaryllis]

29. Wow! Only 50% very confident.

there's this from Mitofsky's Exit Poll:
How confident are you that votes in
your state will be counted accurately?

Very confident 50%
Somewhat confident 40%
Not very confident 7%
Not at all confident 2%

[Bill Bored]

30. Right.

Now I think VERY Confident should be a given. I mean it's just counting votes right? It's not rocket science! So anyone who isn't VERY Confident is NOT confident in my book. Depends how you want to spin it.

"Less than complete confidence" might be one way.

[Amaryllis]

31. Either way, it means fifty percent weren't confident and that was BEFORE

they got the results.

[AtLiberty]

23. All I know is that I talk about it with practically everyone I see...

...I do my part to raise that figure. ;)

[seriousstan]

28. I disagree with some peoples reading of this poll. 84% confident.

The questions were:

Are you confident that your vote will be counted accurately or are you doubtful that it will be counted accurately.

84% confident 13% doubtful

(If confident) Are you very confident or only somewhat confident?

62% Very 22% Somewhat

This is still 84% confident. If you can count the "somewhat confidents" as suddenly becoming doubtful then conversely you can count the "somewhat doubtfuls" as being confident. Obviously you can do neither. The "somewhat confidents" had a clear choice of doubtful at the onset and didn't chose it.

If you are going to use such numbers as a basis in discussion, it only undermines your cause to use them incorrectly.