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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:00 PM
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15 minutes on VVPB before the Tennessee legislature: Here's what was said.
We had an unusual and much-appreciated opportunity to address the full House State and Local Government committee of the Tennessee legislature today on how that committee should support voter-verified paper ballots (VVPB) and mandatory random manual recounts (MRMR). Since we only had a little notice, I wasn't sure how many election reform supporters would show up. But the gallery was packed, with about half the attendees wearing orange armbands (our local group -- Gathering To Save Our Democracy -- has adopted that symbol in solidarity with the Ukrainian people.)

Our statewide Common Cause rep (who works daily with the legislature) introduced me, and then it was off to the races. On a whim, I started by asking everyone who believes in free, fair and verifiable elections to stand up. Of course, all of our group's members stood. I then asked the rest of the audience and the legislators: "Why aren't you standing?" It was a good ice-breaker, and got a good laugh.

We were fortunate that the next item on the committee agenda was a hotly contested ethics bill (requiring lobbyist disclosure), so the media was there in droves. They filmed my entire presentation and our local NPR station "Morning Edition" host talked with me afterward about doing several follow-up stories. We also came prepared with numerous handouts for the legislators and the gallery.

As soon as I started speaking, two prominent Republican committee members got up and left the room, skulking in the hallway until I finished. Perhaps the biggest audience reaction came near the end when I mentioned that 35% of American voters now believe that the 2004 election was stolen, up from 20% after the election. That brought audible gasps from some of the audience members, who obviously were not members of our group.

So just in case any of you find yourselves in a similar situation, here's how I tried to summarize our case for VVPB and MRMR in fifteen minutes. BTW, notable by his absence was our statewide Coordinator of Elections, who had been invited to attend. He was not missed and I hope that -- soon -- he will be replaced. Peace, out.
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Presentation to the House State and Local Government Committee
Tennessee State Legislature, May 17, 2005
Bernard H. Ellis, Jr., MA, MPH
Organizer, Gathering To Save Our Democracy

A. Introduction –

1. Thanks for opportunity to speak. Not here to sell you something, just to remind you that your respected positions are derived from the "consent of the governed", or should be. But the movement toward non-verifiable voting systems puts that in doubt, and with that, further reduces the faith of the American people in our election process and weakens faith in our government.

2. Recognize people in the audience – Dick Williams with Common Cause, civil rights leaders, young and old voters, able-bodied and disabled voters, members of six different political parties, people who have traveled from throughout the state. All united in a non-partisan effort to protect the vote in Tennessee, now and in the future.

3. "The right to vote is the primary right by which all other rights are protected. To take away this right is to reduce a person to slavery." Thomas Paine. Democracy is an idea that requires faith/trust. Take away my ballot and you've undermined my faith. Take away my ballot and you've weakened my trust. Without faith and trust, we weaken the foundation of the country. Democracy is being weakened by moving away from paper ballots. (Thanks, Andy S -- I plagiarized this section from your speech at the "Nash-ional" conference.)

4. We hope this presentation is a continuation of an important dialog about the integrity of our voting processes here in Tennessee.

B. Improving Our TN Voting Systems: Making Voting More Secure, Not More Insecure

1. Tennessee has $56 million in HAVA money to spend, which is more than enough money to modernize our voting systems, make them more transparent and verifiable and still have funds available for making voting places more accessible NOW to the disabled and for other future improvements for years to come. However, if that money is wasted on expensive, non-verifiable electronic voting systems that are sold, managed and maintained by private companies whose actions (and equipment and software) cannot be monitored and audited, it will represent a small down-payment on the sale of our democracy to the highest bidder.

As Dr. Margaret McGaley (Irish computer scientist who led successful fight to reject electronic voting in Ireland) has said: "At first glance, e-voting seems like a wonderful idea. Counting is what computers are good at; automated voting seems like a natural progression. But truly automated voting – where the computer is voting instead of the people – is the stuff of nightmares. And this is what many computer experts fear from electronic voting. If you don't see your vote (which of course you can't if it's electronic), how do you know that it's recorded correctly?"

Stalin: "People who cast the votes decide nothing. People who count the votes decide everything."

Inebriated Republican Congressman (in June, 2004): "We've already won the 2004 election. It's all over but the counting and we're doing the counting."

2. In 2004, approximately 87% of all votes nationwide and 75% of the votes in Tennessee were cast and counted on electronic equipment that did not produce a voter-verified paper ballot. However, about one in ten ballots cast nationwide (and the ballots cast in about one-third of Tennessee counties in 2004) were cast on paper ballots, primarily through the optical scan ballot or the punch card ballot. Thus, we have many Tennessee counties with successful experience in using voting systems that start with paper ballots. We need to improve and expand these paper-based voting systems and make them verifiable by adding mandatory random manual recounts, as is done to some extent now in Hamilton County (Chattanooga).

C. The United States stands in the minority when it comes to non-verifiable voting systems.

1. Over 80% of the world's democracies use paper ballots and are satisfied with them.

2. Unlike the US, these countries have proportionally fewer challenges to their elections and ample opportunity to resolve any disputes, since they maintain paper ballots that can be recounted and audited.

3. Some countries like Italy and Ireland, which have experimented with or considered electronic voting, have decided to maintain paper ballots.

D. The reasons for avoiding electronic voting systems, as they are now used, are numerous:

1. These systems are proprietary – citizens and governments cannot review software.

(Elections are a fundamental function of government and should not be out-sourced. What's next – privatizing our police forces and our tax collections?)

2. These systems have minimal security and can be easily hacked. (Johns Hopkins study)

(Dr. Rebecca Mercuri – "Any programmer can write code that displays one thing on a screen, records something else and prints yet another result. There is no known way to ensure that this is not happening inside of any electronic voting system.")

3. Without producing a VVPB, these systems are non-verifiable and they are not auditable.

4. These systems are expensive.

5. These systems vary widely in performance and are less reliable than counting paper ballots.
(MIT study)

6. The problems associated with using this technology, without safeguards, are numerous. In 2004:

a. Votes were lost or subtracted and were irretrievable.
b. Votes were switched away from the voters' choice to another candidate or none.
c. Machines reported more votes than voters.
d. Machines broke down and were unrepairable at the precinct.
e. These electronic voting problems were reported in over 20 states.

E. What are the solutions that we must put in place before 2006?

1. Voter-verified paper ballots – Voters must either start with a paper ballot (as in the optical scan process) or must be provided a paper ballot at the end of their voting process that they can verify and that becomes the ballot of record. All voting systems now under consideration in Tennessee are capable of producing a VVPB.

"Trust – but verify." Ronald Reagan (Make the system verifiable and trust will be maintained.)

2. Mandatory random manual recounts – A small portion of the paper ballots (5-10%) must be recounted in every county in every election to insure that no errors were introduced by the electronic equipment or through any other intentional or unintentional acts.

F. What must we do here in Tennessee NOW to protect the vote?

1. The legislature could re-open the Elections sub-committee to consider Rep. Lynn's bill.

2. Legislature should give clear guidance to the SOS and to the county election commissions via a resolution, other directives or the passage of legislation.

3. County election commissions should make transparency and verifiability the highest priorities in selecting new voting systems

4. Citizens should play a serious and active role in defining the parameters of any changes in our voting systems, rather than being underutilized or used as a rubber stamp only. (Our HAVA citizens advisory committee hasn't met in 10 months.)

G. We must restore faith in the election process.

1. Almost half of all Americans who are eligible to vote do not participate now.

2. Among 2004 voters, the proportion who believes that the election was tampered with is now 35%, up from 20% shortly after the election.

3. Electronic voting without appropriate safeguards is the Astro-turf of democracy: expensive, dazzling, "modern" – and more likely to cause injury to those who use it. In the 70s and 80s, millions were spent installing Astro-turf. In the 90s, millions were spent removing it.

Let's not make the same Astro-turf mistake with our elections. The future of the country depends on it. Please work with us and other concerned citizens throughout Tennessee to protect our votes. Let's maintain a political system that derives its strength and legitimacy from the "consent of the governed", not simply by whose money talks the loudest.

Churchill: "Democracy is the worst form of govt, except for all those others that have been tried."

A real democracy requires voter-verified paper ballots and mandatory random manual recounts.

Please work with us to protect our votes and save our democracy.

Otherwise, we will become a country ruled by tyrants, kings or ayatollahs. That is not the America we want to live in. Thank you for your attention.
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At the end of my presentation, my words got a standing ovation from the gallery, which the committee chair allowed to continue for a while -- something that I am told is very unusual when the gallery speaks up at a legislative hearing. The only legislator who commented on my presentation on the record said that he fully supported VVPB, and he's a Republican.

All in all, we're pleased by the day and need to keep the momentum going. We will follow up with all the committee members, write all 95 of our county election commissions with copies of "Myth Breakers", try to identify the members of the moribund HAVA citizens advisory committee and agitate for them to call their own meeting rather than waiting for our statewide Coordinator of Elections to do so and work for a legislative resolution directing the SOS to pursue VVPB and MRMR with our HAVA money.

Now it's time to do a little bush-hogging on the tractor and to give thanks for the chance to speak truth to power -- with a Southern accent, only faster.

If we don't quit fighting, we cannot lose. We are the ones we have been waiting for.
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Thrasybulus Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:12 PM
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1. Well Done.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:19 PM
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19. Ohio vote by county and voting method. Also "Incidents".
There may be nuggets here for further analysis. Which counties
had the highest incident ratios? 

Clark, Cuyohaga, Franklin, Lucas, Mahoning.


		       Punch cards	Optiscan	E-Voting					
Votes	Kerry	Bush	KP	BP	KO	BO	KE	BE	Inc	%TV	Inc%Votes	
 
"Adams"
11669	35.90%	64.10%	4189	7480	0	0	0	0	0	0.21%		
"Allen"
 47451	33.34%	66.66%	0	0	15822	31629	0	0	0	0.87%		
"Ashland"
24171	34.52%	65.48%	0	0	8345	15826	0	0	0	0.44%		
"Ashtabula"
44166	53.31%	46.69%	23545	20621	0	0	0	0	0	0.81%		
"Athens"
27281	63.67%	36.33%	17369	9912	0	0	0	0	0	0.50%		

"Auglaize"
22166	25.85%	74.15%	0	0	0	0	5729	16437	0	0.41%		
"Belmont"	
32531	53.04%	46.96%	17256	15275	0	0	0	0	0	0.60%		
 "Brown"	
19538	36.12%	63.88%	7058	12480	0	0	0	0	0	0.36%		
 "Butler"	
160920	33.67%	66.33%	54185	106735	0	0	0	0	0	2.95%		
 "Carroll"	
13721	45.11%	54.89%	6190	7531	0	0	0	0	0	0.25%		

 "Champaign"
18184	37.13%	62.87%	6752	11432	0	0	0	0	0	0.33%		
 "Clark"	
67268	48.80%	51.20%	32824	34444	0	0	0	0	1	1.23%	0.0015%	
 "Clermont"	
87012	29.10%	70.90%	0	0	25318	61694	0	0	0	1.59%		
 "Clinton"	
17869	29.35%	70.65%	5244	12625	0	0	0	0	0	0.33%		
 "Columbiana"	
48096	47.58%	52.42%	22884	25212	0	0	0	0	0	0.88%		

 "Coshocton"	
15884	42.58%	57.42%	0	0	6763	9121	0	0	0	0.29%		
 "Crawford"
21293	35.81%	64.19%	7626	13667	0	0	0	0	0	0.39%		
 "Cuyahoga"
648886	66.77%	33.23%	433262	215624	0	0	0	0	75	11.89%	0.0116%	
"Darke"	
25532	30.01%	69.99%	7663	17869	0	0	0	0	0	0.47%		
 "Defiance"	
17701	37.75%	62.25%	6683	11018	0	0	0	0	0	0.32%		

 "Delaware"	
78728	33.65%	66.35%	26491	52237	0	0	0	0	0	1.44%		
 "Erie"	
38671	53.40%	46.60%	0	0	20652	18019	0	0	0	0.71%		
 "Fairfield"	
66378	36.64%	63.36%	24321	42057	0	0	0	0	0	1.22%		
 "Fayette"	
11465	37.02%	62.98%	4244	7221	0	0	0	0	0	0.21%		
 "Franklin"	
509769	54.06%	45.94%	0	0	0	0	275573	234196	82	9.34%	0.0161%	

 "Fulton"	
21541	37.59%	62.41%	8098	13443	0	0	0	0	0	0.39%		
 "Gallia"	
13508	38.41%	61.59%	5188	8320	0	0	0	0	0	0.25%		
 "Geauga"	
49528	39.52%	60.48%	0	0	19571	29957	0	0	0	0.91%		
 "Greene"	
76190	38.52%	61.48%	29349	46841	0	0	0	0	0	1.40%		
 "Guernsey"	
16167	43.74%	56.26%	7072	9095	0	0	0	0	0	0.30%		

 "Hamilton"	
406595	46.96%	53.04%	190956	215639	0	0	0	0	18	7.45%	0.0044%	
 "Hancock"	
34275	28.97%	71.03%	0	0	9930	24345	0	0	0	0.63%		
 "Hardin"	
12910	36.58%	63.42%	0	0	4723	8187	0	0	0	0.24%		
 "Harrison"	
8142	46.97%	53.03%	3824	4318	0	0	0	0	0	0.15%		
 "Henry"	
14797	33.97%	66.03%	5027	9770	0	0	0	0	0	0.27%		

 "Highland"	
17883	33.62%	66.38%	6012	11871	0	0	0	0	0	0.33%		
 "Hocking"	
12886	47.07%	52.93%	6065	6821	0	0	0	0	0	0.24%		
 "Holmes"	
10921	24.01%	75.99%	2622	8299	0	0	0	0	0	0.20%		
 "Huron"	
24907	41.57%	58.43%	10354	14553	0	0	0	0	0	0.46%		
 "Jackson"	
13901	39.70%	60.30%	5519	8382	0	0	0	0	0	0.25%		

 "Jefferson"	
35561	52.51%	47.49%	18674	16887	0	0	0	0	0	0.65%		
 "Knox"	
26290	36.57%	63.43%	0	0	0	0	9613	16677	1	0.48%	0.0038%	
 "Lake"	
118086	48.67%	51.33%	0	0	0	0	57471	60615	0	2.16%		
 "Lawrence"	
27052	43.89%	56.11%	11874	15178	0	0	0	0	0	0.50%		
 "Licking"	
77442	37.90%	62.10%	29350	48092	0	0	0	0	0	1.42%		

 "Logan"	
20728	32.05%	67.95%	6644	14084	0	0	0	0	0	0.38%		
 "Lorain"	
136263	56.15%	43.85%	76512	59751	0	0	0	0	0	2.50%		
 "Lucas"	
214279	60.14%	39.86%	0	0	128874	85405	0	0	31	3.93%	0.0145%	
 "Madison"	
17011	35.74%	64.26%	6080	10931	0	0	0	0	0	0.31%		
 "Mahoning"	
129468	62.95%	37.05%	0	0	0	0	81500	47968	33	2.37%	0.0255%	

 "Marion"	
28221	40.72%	59.28%	11492	16729	0	0	0	0	0	0.52%		
 "Medina"	
83224	42.93%	57.07%	35725	47499	0	0	0	0	0	1.53%		
 "Meigs"	
10490	41.32%	58.68%	4334	6156	0	0	0	0	0	0.19%		
 "Mercer"	
19946	24.69%	75.31%	4924	15022	0	0	0	0	0	0.37%		
 "Miami"	
50078	34.02%	65.98%	0	0	17039	33039	0	0	0	0.92%		

 "Monroe"	
7534	55.27%	44.73%	4164	3370	0	0	0	0	0	0.14%		
 "Montgomery"	
272978	50.65%	49.35%	138262	134716	0	0	0	0	0	5.00%		
 "Morgan"	
6505	43.20%	56.80%	2810	3695	0	0	0	0	0	0.12%		
 "Morrow"	
15964	35.40%	64.60%	5651	10313	0	0	0	0	0	0.29%		
 "Muskingum"	
37951	42.29%	57.71%	16050	21901	0	0	0	0	0	0.70%		

 "Noble"	
6417	40.80%	59.20%	2618	3799	0	0	0	0	0	0.12%		
 "Ottawa"	
22735	48.01%	51.99%	0	0	10915	11820	0	0	0	0.42%		
 "Paulding"	
9618	36.85%	63.15%	3544	6074	0	0	0	0	0	0.18%		
 "Perry"	
14972	48.12%	51.88%	7205	7767	0	0	0	0	0	0.27%		
 "Pickaway"	
22252	37.70%	62.30%	0	0	0	0	8388	13864	0	0.41%		

 "Pike"	
12250	47.88%	52.12%	5865	6385	0	0	0	0	0	0.22%		
 "Portage"	
74969	53.24%	46.76%	39915	35054	0	0	0	0	1	1.37%	0.0013%	
 "Preble"	
20677	34.65%	65.35%	7165	13512	0	0	0	0	0	0.38%		
 "Putnam"	
18544	23.45%	76.55%	4348	14196	0	0	0	0	0	0.34%		
 "Richland"	
60309	39.89%	60.11%	24056	36253	0	0	0	0	0	1.11%		

 "Ross"	
30641	44.71%	55.29%	0	0	0	0	13701	16940	0	0.56%		
 "Sandusky"	
31733	43.83%	56.17%	0	0	13909	17824	0	0	0	0.58%		
 "Scioto"	
34376	47.82%	52.18%	16438	17938	0	0	0	0	0	0.63%		
 "Seneca"	
26394	40.80%	59.20%	10770	15624	0	0	0	0	0	0.48%		
 "Shelby"	
22162	28.59%	71.41%	6337	15825	0	0	0	0	0	0.41%		

 "Stark"	
182154	50.67%	49.33%	92295	89859	0	0	0	0	1	3.34%	0.0005%	
 "Summit"	
269081	56.82%	43.18%	152897	116184	0	0	0	0	5	4.93%	0.0019%	
 "Trumbull"	
105541	61.89%	38.11%	65321	40220	0	0	0	0	0	1.93%		
 "Tuscarawas"	
41819	44.14%	55.86%	18460	23359	0	0	0	0	0	0.77%		
 "Union"	
22139	29.57%	70.43%	6546	15593	0	0	0	0	0	0.41%		

 "Van Wert"	
14510	27.75%	72.25%	4026	10484	0	0	0	0	0	0.27%		
 "Vinton"	
5806	44.99%	55.01%	2612	3194	0	0	0	0	0	0.11%		
 "Warren"	
91922	27.63%	72.37%	25399	66523	0	0	0	0	0	1.68%		
 "Washington"	
29166	41.61%	58.39%	0	0	12137	17029	0	0	0	0.53%		
 "Wayne"	
50888	38.23%	61.77%	19455	31433	0	0	0	0	0	0.93%		

 "Williams"
17864	34.88%	65.12%	6231	11633	0	0	0	0	0	0.33%		
 "Wood"	
60790	46.42%	53.58%	28216	32574	0	0	0	0	0	1.11%		
 "Wyandot"	
10510	33.82%	66.18%	3554	6956	0	0	0	0	0	0.19%		

5,455,811	2,659,664	2,796,147	1,913,691	2,025,555	293,998	363,895	451,975	406,697	248	100%		
	48.75%	51.25%	48.58%	51.42%	44.69%	55.31%	52.64%	47.36%				
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:27 PM
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22. What does OH have to do with TN?
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:15 PM
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2. BRAVO!!!
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:19 PM
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3. Paper ballots NOW!!! Hand counts NOW!!!
I appreciate your efforts and concerns. I prefer nothing more and nothing less than paper ballots and hand counts. Keep up the fight.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:22 PM
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4. Paper ballots is America's only chance to survive. We need to
make those opposing it tell the public why over and over. The sheeple only understand on the fifth or sixth repetition.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:58 PM
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7. Thanks. The 35% figure comes from this forum -- I haven't seen ...
... the primary reference for that figure yet, and would like to. But I trust DUers enough to use the figure anyway. (I do have a reference for an earlier figure -- 30% -- that was released back in the late winter by the Annenberg Public Policy Institute.)

The 87% figure comes from Lynn Landes' web-site, in the "voting security" section. Here's the link:

http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachines-TechnicalIssues&Standards.htm
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:50 PM
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17. Well there's this from Mitofsky's Exit Poll:
How confident are you that votes in
your state will be counted accurately?

Very confident 50%
Somewhat confident 40%
Not very confident 7%
Not at all confident 2%

So it depends on how you define "somewhat confident."

You could say that ONLY half of all voters had full confidence though!

BTW, 61% of Bush voters were VERY Confident and only 38% of Kerry voters were. Do they know something?
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:29 PM
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5. Sir or Madam,
Edited on Tue May-17-05 06:30 PM by Rex_Goodheart
I do not know which... but what a wonderful job you did. BRAVO. You are a hero.

May I impose on you to ask where you got that 35% figure? And your other stats, like the 87% on voting machines?
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:29 PM
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6. I love the gasps over 35%! Wait til its 55% think the election was stolen
There will be gasps, gurgles, pops, whistles, fainting, and fear visibly etched on the faces of those who fear the truth!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:20 PM
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8. Great job, Fly! I need the source for the 35% quote. Do you have it?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:22 PM
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9. What you said was perfect. Great job. You packed a lot into 15 mintues. I
sure hope you can get your elections straightened out. We have to get rid of Frist.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:30 PM
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11. Cat-killer Frist is not running again for the Senate.
He thinks he'll be our next President. Not if we DU unto him what he has done unto others ...

How did someone who never voted until his late 30s and who decided to run for Senate and then convened some consultants to tell him which party he should join ever get through med school, much less become the Senate majority leader? I really think he is one of the dumbest and most ham-fisted Senators that the Orange State has ever sent to Congress.

I met some of his high school classmates once, who said he quarterbacked the only losing team in the school's history. Seems like he has stayed true to form ever since -- the quarterback for a losing team.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:26 PM
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21. THat is the question, is it not? How did he manage to get where he is? One
can ask the same of Chuck Hagel, Saxby Chambliss, and others. Amazing what you see when you look at the money behind the voting machine companies. That's why I asked if there's something fishy about how he got elected.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:33 PM
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10. That is sooooo good!
I am so happy to hear this! It sounds like you made the best of this excellent opportunity and you were very well received.

GREAT JOB!!!

:bounce:
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:09 PM
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12. Bernie, You be da man!!!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:11 PM
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13. Well done indeed...
:yourock:
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:32 PM
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14. Very Inspirational Bernie!
(And not a word about those exit polls!) :)

Please keep us informed!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:40 PM
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15. Most excellent! Are you the one who posted the mp3s of the Nashville Teach
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:47 PM
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16. Evan from the J30 group posted the audio for us. Hopefully ...
... the entire conference will be posted soon. We now have a two disk CD set and a seven videotape set of the conference. We'll figure out how to get those out at cost ASAP.

As for me, I'm the moderator of the conference, so you get to hear my (increasingly tired) voice on the audio introducing all the panels. Boy, the "Nash-ional" conference seems months ago, instead of just five weeks. With Bob Koehler's columns and Josh Mitteldorf's op-ed piece, the "Nash-ional" lives on.

Hope you are the first of many millions to listen to the most excellent presentations from our speakers -- they were a godsend -- all we had to do was be good Southern hosts.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:58 PM
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18. Wonderful job! I'll be passing them around too as much as possible
Leverage the message! Thank you.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:34 AM
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20. If there's hope at all of getting rid of the touch screen machines...
I truly hope Tennessee will consider this. If there is hope at all of getting rid of those touchscreens, I'm moving there. It just seems to get worse and worse every day while in the south. I can't find anywhere now that doesn't seem to bring up religion.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:28 PM
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23. Oregon is great. No voting machines, paper ballots.
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