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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:45 PM
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Hey, guys...do you think they are talking about us?

After the fall: George W Bush in trouble


Republican divisions and a revival of Democratic energies are striking features of American politics six months after George W Bush’s election victory, reports Todd Gitlin.

The American calamity of the presidential election of 2 November 2004 triggered a predictable sequence of mourning, rage, despair, and inertia on the American left. Six months on, oppositional energies are bubbling, though perplexity also endures.

About mourning, rage, despair and inertia, nothing in particular need be said. Visible gloom appeared like overnight wrinkles upon blue, Democratic, state faces. As days stretched into weeks, the stunned legions of John Kerry seemed to speak only in mutters and murmurs. Theories of the defeat circulated, though none carried more than limited conviction. For months, Comedy Central’s The Daily Show, America’s prime venue for truth-telling satire, surrendered its edge. Even activists’ declarations of interest in taking up residence in politically more congenial climes – Canada, Britain, anywhere – seemed to lose energy as they caromed about. Mourners mournfully echoed Joe Hill’s injunction, “Don’t mourn, organise!” as they floundered, disorganised.

But mourning became tedious and the more promising sequel of resolve has been more interesting. Many, probably most, of the thousands of activists who had buzzed into swing states in the weeks leading up to election day have gone back to life as usual; but a perhaps surprising number flexed their electronic muscles and signed on for new efforts. Moveon.org now claims 3 million online supporters, and now feels confident enough to start to charge those who wish to mobilise “meetups”. The defeated John Kerry claims 3 million of his own – presumably overlapping. Online mobilisation continues for lobbying efforts, and money pours in.

The debate about policies is predictable and still inconclusive. Should Democrats speak in the language of the faithful? (The balance of opinion, I would guess, is no, though the point is heatedly contested.) Should they trim back their opposition to curbs on abortion in favor of programmes that would make it “safe, legal, and rare,” in Bill Clinton’s phrase? (The balance of opinion is yes, though again, many devils scamper amid the details.) As retroactive support for the Iraq war dwindles below 50%, what should the Democrats say about the occupation, and about foreign policy generally? (Not much, says the going consensus. An isolated, left-wing fringe continues to press for rapid withdrawal.)

Meanwhile, a small but hardy band of activists continues to pursue the theory that voting machines were rigged for Bush, thus accounting for the fact that the tabulated results were systematically more pro-Bush than the usually reliable exit polls. There remain tantalising questions – casually dismissed by the media – about how such a pattern might have been possible, though to claim a conspiracy of multi-state fraud involving several different vote-tallying devices without any evidence is, to say the least, premature.

More: http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-77-2507.jsp


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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:56 PM
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1. At least we're hardy!
:tinfoilhat:
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:56 PM
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2. "hardy band of activists ". I'll agree with that!
Lately, I have the feeling we have evolved into an indefatigable and tenacious "battle-hardened" group.

Watch out Bush co! We are learning. We are growing stronger and more numerous EVERY DAY!

And...

WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP UNTIL JUSTICE IS DONE!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 06:28 PM
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3. Better Diehard Than Diebold
just wanted to say it again.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:36 PM
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10. Vote free or Diebold? That is THE question. n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 10:01 PM
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12. Oooh - that's better. nt
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:37 PM
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11. If we never stop fighting, we cannot lose. We are the ones ....
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:16 PM
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4. The cluelessness and ignorance on this matter continue to amaze.
"...though to claim a conspiracy of multi-state fraud involving several different vote-tallying devices without any evidence is, to say the least, premature." --open democracy

1. It would HAVE TO BE "multi-state fraud" to account for Bush's national popular majority.

2. The conditions for "multi-state fraud" were never more ideal--an untested, unreliable, hackable electronic voting system, in widespread use for the first time, with the vote count controlled by secret, proprietary programming code in central, electronic tabulators, owned by two companies, both run by major Bush donors, and with no paper record (unrecountable, unauditable) in a third of the country.

3. As numerous experts have shown: one hacker, a couple of minutes. Or, a line of code inserted remotely, accessing internal modems. And no one in the country, not even election officials, have a right to review that code. It is PROPRIETARY.

4. House Republican leader Tom Delay prevented a paper trail from ever reaching a vote. The two main companies themselves, Diebold and ES&S, advocate paperless electronic voting, have resisted proper auditing and testing (and in the case of Diebold, lied about it, and got sued for it), and engage in intense lobbying with millions of dollars being thrown around to force these untested and expensive voting systems on the states. The "revolving door" employment, public service vs. private company, is a scandal in itself.

5. "...without any evidence...". Yeah, it's kind of hard to come up with hard evidence when the perps have deliberately arranged for there to be none. Still, the inferential evidence is profound. For instance, touchscreen electronic voting machines changing Kerry votes to Bush votes in 86 out of 88 reported incidents. Lower ticket candidates pulling more votes than the presidential candidate (in one case, an unknown, underfunded candidate for judge). 130,000 to 260,000 phantom votes for Bush in Florida's three main Democratic counties (UC Berkeley study). A 9% edge to Bush in electronic vs. paper voting in No. Carolina (DU study). The exit polls showing a weird skew to Bush, in exit polls vs. official tally, in the battleground states, and, at the precinct level, in Bush strongholds, and showing an overall Kerry win. (Dr. Steven Freeman and USCV studies). Big Democratic success in new voter registration in 2004 (nearly 60/40), most new voters voting for Kerry, most Nader voters switching to Kerry. (Where did Bush's margin come from?). Big disapproval of Bush and his policies consistent over many polls, and many months, going back for more than a year. And this doesn't even begin to plumb the evidence that this writer says there is none of.

The Democrats would be in a much stronger position today if they had, a) not reneged on their repeated promise to "count every vote"; b) done their job as politicians PRIOR TO the election and insisted on an honest, transparent election; c) held their own national forum on the election, with Bushites obstructing any official investigation in Congress, and exposed everything we now know; and d) weren't so damned clueless or corrupt, and grokked that they clearly represent the majority of the country.

The 2004 election was transparently INVALID. The basic conditions for an honest vote count WERE NOT PRESENT.

Further, the journalistic crime of the TV networks on election night--ALTERING the exit polls on everybody's TV screens to fit a Bush win, and depriving the American people of the information that Kerry won the exit polls (a strong indicator of fraud)--should have long ago been exposed to all. Only a small group of people is aware of this (growing ever larger).

The corruption and collusion of these news organizations is only matched by the corruption and collusion of the state and local elections officials who purchased these shoddy, unreliable, hackable computer voting systems and left us wide open to EASY election fraud, at the touch of a keyboard! (--some of them probably innocently, but too many for the wrong reasons). It's hard to say which is worse. The Democratic Party needs to address BOTH, NOW, before it's too late.

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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:06 PM
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5. Extremely Hardy Melissa G Reporting for Duty!
NEVER EVER GIVE UP. Expose the Fraud. Get Back OUR Country!!!!
and oh yeah..Have some fun while you are at it. Sounds like The DU's 2004ER&D Forum Gang to me!
NGU:toast:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:59 AM
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6. Well, someday it will be Party Hardy Activists...I'm buying!
:beer:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 10:45 AM
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7. I got a couple of dozen-- of millions --friends
Edited on Tue May-17-05 10:47 AM by FogerRox
Bruce Willis---yipee kay ayyy mother fucker

just thinking of diehard--er ah I mean diebold
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:33 PM
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8. FogerRox, help
I feel like there's a party and I'm not invited.

How do you get one of those "Donate" avatars? and what do you do when you get it. I can't figure out the directions in the DU avatar area either. Hep
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:35 PM
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9. Ignore my message, I'm obviously visually challenged tonight!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:00 PM
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13. I had no clue what U were talking about--then I looked OMG-- LOL
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