The 2004 Rigged Bush election has already made it into an Encyclopedia!

[ElementaryPenguin]

And it's well done also. Check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._Election_controversies_and_irregularities#Evidence_of_electronic_voting_bias

[alittlelark]

1. Wow, very well done!

I'm sure they will be adding to it as well.

[JAbuchan08]

2. That reminds me of the dictionary definition of a "smooth election"

n. An election in which the fraud is not discovered until AFTER the winner has been declared.

[rinsd]

3. Well done...but probably won't be there for long....

Look at the top of the page. Its "neutrality" is being disputed.

[DELUSIONAL]

4. The graphs and explanations are very well done

In fact this might be a great resource for International Journalist and even our lazy US Journalists.

We might have the beginning of a Press Kit with this Encyclopedia entry.

[Name removed]

5. Deleted message

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[DELUSIONAL]

6. Eddie boy used to be a conservative -- seems like he is

showing his true colors.

We do NOT need to become more like the GOP.

We have the values of the majority -- the "only" problem

is that our side doesn't control the media OR count the votes.

WE WON DAMN IT!

Your remark had nothing at all to do with the current topic --

vote fraud.

you are probably a troll.

[demjomr313]

13. keith olbermann....

...Countdown last night on MSNBC - #3 he spoke of the alleged election fraud

- so glad it's getting out there!

[hippiegranny]

10. what cost Kerry the election

was fraud.

Excuse me, but this little old lesbian grandmother is sick of being used as a wedge issue. I am sick of being taxed without being represented. I am sick of "marriage" being a right afforded by the government, yet it is supposedly a religious matter. If there is such a thing as separation of church and state, how is this even legal?

[George_S]

18. Taxation without representation?

Why not sue on the basis?

[ktowntennesseedem]

34. Yeah, what's up with that!

For the gov't to sanction ANY marriage is a violation of the separation of church and state. The issue shouldn't be whether or not to allow gay marriages, instead the gov't should be granting civil unions that would guarantee equal rights and privilages to all. If any couple want to make it religious, let the local church bless them in marriage!

(Not sure I'm ready to tackle this monster, though. The religious right already detest the concept of church/state separation because it gets in the way of their theocratic dreams. I'd hate to hear the outcry when they discover that its separation of church and state, not homosexuals, who are threatening the sanctity of marriage! Falwell and Robertson will truly blow a fuse!)

[Amy6627]

20. Bar Graphs

the bar graphs are skewed to help one form a subjective opinion. See Edward Tufte, the Visual Display of Information. Any graph that shortens the scale to increase the visual impact, is worthy of scrutiny and probably not your trust.

[jdj]

42. wikipedia did a great job, even including the CNN altered exit

polls from election night.

Congrats to them for being so thorough.

[newyawker99]

44. Hi Amy6627!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Amy6627]

53. Thank you!

[louis-t]

7. Hmmm, 14,000 voted, 21,000 votes counted

God must have told Rove how the other 7,000 WOULD have voted. As to the 'neutrality' issue: I guess when you don't lie, cheat or steal, and just simply report the facts without getting gushy over a chimp dictator, it means you're biased.

[mark11727]

58. Wikipedia's more "fair and balanced" than most "mainstream" media!

[Catfight]

8. The winners write history, even if they cheated. n/t

[Critical Thinker]

9. looks very professional except the part

that says, "BUSH IS ASSHOLE" right in the middle of the document! ROTFLMAO

...honestly, they should edit that part out.

[The Doctor.]

11. Who wrote "bush is asshole"

Apparently there's an edit function which should not be available on Wiki right now - I'll be contacting them.

I very highly doubt Wikipedia wrote "Bush is asshole".

If it was a DU'er I'll be very disappointed.

DO NOT MAR A GOOD RESOURCE!

{typo}

[Politicub]

12. It looks like somebody already deleted the whole page

I love helping with Wikipedia. I spent many a night practicing my copy editing skills there.

[Plaid Adder]

14. Uh...all I get is a page that says "4 More Years."

The mark of the freeper?

The Plaid Adder

[George_S]

21. Probably, but why?

What are they afraid of?

[The Doctor.]

23. I saved the whole thing Plaid- html code and all...

want it?

[The Doctor.]

24. They fixed it...

Ever since I read your article on the 'scrubbing' of Osama bin Laden's call to overthrow Saddam I've made a point to save everything.

I have you to thank for all that I have that has 'dissapeared'

Thanks Adder. :hi:

[Chimpanzee]

15. This is pretty damning

10,000 Extra Votes Added in Nebraska County Another ES&S computer "failure". (http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html)

50,000 Votes could be LOST in Dem Indiana County! Yet another ES&S computer "failure". (http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/news02.txt)

19,000+ new ballots were added after all precincts reported for Miami county ohio (http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983)

11,283 more votes than voters in Craven County NC (http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local)

268,159 more votes than voters in florida (http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm#FL)

22000 votes in Guilford county NC (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/charlotte/news/special_packages/election2004/10104576.htm)

4,530 votes lost in Carteret county (http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/stories/110404ccjrwcncpolmissingvotes.264d17aa.html)

4000 extra votes in Mecklenburg NC (http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/local_news/mecklenburg/?ArID=78411&SecID=3)

4000 votes in PA (http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/288078640794824.php)

3893 votes in Franklin county OH (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html)

4000+ lost votes in mercer county OH (http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/288078640794824.php)

[Chimpanzee]

16. I copied the above right before the page magically 'disappeared'

[Chimpanzee]

17. Freeper for sure - now it says:

The Democratic Party is obsolete.

Dems - shut the hell up and stop whining.

Nuke a Gay Whale for Christ!!

[Chimpanzee]

19. It's back to normal - for now

[althecat]

22. Cool... Fawn Otter gets top billing again I see

...as they say the early bird catches the worm...

:)

[jahyarain]

25. no offense intended

but who among us did not know they would do this? We've got all the proof in the world but what are we gonna do about it?

[CAcyclist]

28. Start spreading the info

I downloaded these pages and am taking them to the printers to make copies for people I know who aren't going to check it out on the computer. When people find out how easy it is and how likely it was that the election was stolen, we will gain power.

[Demrock6]

29. We need to get full proof.

We have to prove the numbers somehow or another. I am sure if we stumble on something 100% fool proof someone in the media will jump on it. The media is probably scared of what they report, fearful of becoming a Dan Rather.

Hey I just realized something. Republicans hate Dan Rather cause he took information he thought to be true and reported it. Turns out it was not true "that is what they go with now anyway" and they still want his head on a platter. But George Bush does the same thing with Iraq, and they reelect him. Strange.....

Sorry I got a tad off topic. But point is I think reporters are not going to do more reporting on this for fear of retribution. Keith Oberman at MSNBC is the only place I find anything about voter fraud.

[newyawker99]

45. Hi Demrock6!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[patinor4america]

33. Exactly!!!

x(

[bvar22]

26. Hot!

<snip from article>
"The error was in each case a statistically anomalous and electorally critical 4 - 15% swing (change between exit polls and electronic voting) and furthermore the anomalies were not random. In each of the above swing states, this variation between what voters said they voted and what the machines reported was in favour of Mr. Bush."(my bold)
<end>

This is the sentence that raises red flags. This is NOT random error!

[sr_pacifica]

27. Someone's freeped the link

Here's what I got:

The Democratic Party is obsolete.

Dems - shut the hell up and stop whining.

[Condor]

36. Reversing and reversing the reversing.

Wikipedia logs all edits, the culprits have been caught and identified. The list of changes can be viewed by clicking the history link at the top. The list was so long that even that list has been scrapped of most of the "vandalism -> rv vandalism" entries. It's back to normal right now.

[newyawker99]

46. Hi Condor!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Condor]

59. Thanks

Hi, and thanks newyawker99.

[riverwalker]

30. WOW Excellent! It's part of the history now

mainstream news found irrelevant once again.

[riverwalker]

31. Hope The Memory Hole SAVES it. n/t

[harris8]

35. No need for anybody to save or mirror it

Although any "moran" can edit any Wikipedia article (except for special, highly contentious cases like this one, where the article is protected and updates are allowed only upon mutual agreement on the article's "Talk" page; note that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush is protected too, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry is not!!!), please note that Wikipedia saves all edit history (by anybody, whether anonymous or logged-in) in its massive database, and it is essentially impossible to irretrievably vandalize or delete a Wikipedia article.

(Yes, I ***LOVE*** Wikipedia!)

[patinor4america]

32. WOW!

So great to have actual, visual facts to send around to my list. People wouldn't listen until they got facts, not rumor. That's great!

[progressiveboston]

37. Looks like the article has been taken down

Winkipedia is saying there is no article by that name.. It was there 5 minutes ago :(

[progressiveboston]

38. OOPS... I'm an idiot

It's there :)

[newyawker99]

47. Hi progressiveboston!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. It could edited out of there over and over again. That's happened

to my entries before.

--------------------------------------------------------
Have you secured your town and state voting systems yet?
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[pleiku52cab]

40. Contact any of your local print or video media

There must be someone who you consider either pro democratic, semi-liberal, or just usually shows a lot of common sense. I just contacted Ton Lyon of the Sarasota (Fla) Herald Tribune with this link. Forget those other 'out of left field' posts. We must bombard the media with the most reputable and factual information we can find. This breakdown by Wickimedia is one of those that must be circulated, to as many that still have an open mind on this election, as widely as possible.

[ElementaryPenguin]

43. You're right - and I'm doing just that!

:toast:

[SeekingDemocracy]

41. Diebold Reaches Settlement Agreement With State of California

Thought this was interesting:

From:
http://www.mysan.de/international/article2341.html

NORTH CANTON, Ohio, Nov. 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Diebold, Incorporated today announced it has reached a settlement agreement with the State of California in its civil action against Diebold Election Systems, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary. Terms of the settlement consist of a total $2.6 million payment to the state, which includes $500,000 to help form a voter education and poll worker training program in California coordinated through the University of California Institute of Governmental Studies. Additionally, Diebold has agreed to certain technology and reporting obligations that will provide election officials with a better understanding of the most effective manner of implementing its elections systems.

[newyawker99]

48. Hi SeekingDemocracy!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[SeekingDemocracy]

51. Thanks!

Feels good to be here!

[RaulVB]

49. Wow!

Is this article going to be removed later?

The whole thing is right there!

[Patriot Acts]

50. CNN POLL.... GO VOTE, U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11

GO VOTE NOW!! ....www.cnn.com/360 I didn't have enough post to start a new thread... can someone do this for me??


Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11?

Yes 79% 1622 votes

No 21% 429 votes
Total: 2051 votes

[othermeans]

52. What a schizophrenic country we live in!

How can 80% of the population believe that the government was involved in a coverup and still return Bush to power?

[Patriot Acts]

54. Hmmm

Maybe the people didnt return him to back to power.... Maybe the media did... or maybe the gorernment returned him back to power, his government, his daddys CIA??? By the way it's over 80% now, hehehe.

www.reopen911.org
www.911review.org

CNN is asking that we send emails to them... they want to know what conspiracies we want them to do a special on, it will air sometime after Thanksgiving..... [e-mail] (I think) it's anderson copper. I say we give em 9.11 to investigate, something like that could bring down the entire administration. Hmmm, grassroots baby!

[Patriot Acts]

55. It's only a poll for the CNN viewers... not the entire nation

It's still a very big number!

[EST]

57. Done!

Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11?
Yes 84% 2731 votes

No 16% 513 votes

3244 votes, total

[whoda]

56. Great

Oh wow, this is incredible. The rigged bush election made it into an Encyclopedia that anyone can edit? Now that's what I call proof. I can finally rest easy knowing that all my delusional ranting and ravings are actually published in a REAL gosh-darned encyclopedia!!!

[jojo54]

60. Anomalies, my ass!

This was a great article, but it doesn't compute! Anomalies! The facts are the facts! A lot of people were denied the right to vote for bogus reasons and in a lot more states than Ohio and Florida. We all know this and the media is finally getting to the heart of it. Fortunately, Kerry and Co. are looking into it too. They DO have the right to recounts and statistical changes until (approximately) early December.

Impeach Bush for the liar and puppet that he is!

[LOCxHippy]

61. We must not drop this issue!

The wikipedia article is an excellent resource, and I did forward it to a LOT of people. There is also good information here, and it has a great title:
2004 Grand Theft Election:Karl Rove's turd droppings all over this one.

http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/110504Madsen/110504madsen.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/uselect/petition-sign.html
A Petition to Congress requesting an investigation into the Presidential Election of 2004

I signed around noon on the 10th, and the list was in the 12,000 range...it is now 12 hours later, and the total is 17,542....not bad!

[MsConduct]

63. Thanks for this info. n/t

[POTGNE]

68. Indeed, we must be vigilant to uncover their cheating ways.....

And we must never allow this type of thing to happen again. We cannot let the Neocons undermine the confidence of voters in our electoral system.....Lest we let them take over for good! Of course, I think we need to get rid of the electoral college, but otherwise, we just need to make sure that our elections are a transparent as possible. No more of this counting the votes behind closed doors crap like the did in one precinct in Ohio! That's just WRONG!

[MsConduct]

62. Thanks, great news! n/t

[Patriot Acts]

64. WoW....

I guess noone cares about the CNN poll and the intreview's on 360 tonight... I thought it was a HUGE breakthrough. Really, I am shocked!

www.reopen911.org (sign petition)

We MUST tackle the biggest lie... then the rest will fall into place. We can fry the whole mess in one pan that way!

[MsConduct]

70. I care, and so do my friends. We're tired of being....

lied to and screwed around by a bunch of greedy, war mongering thugs!

[fylgja]

65. Just simply amazing....

People believe in UFOs, Sasquatch, and God: all things with minimal and very circumspect evidence. Yet you bring up solid evidence of votes being miscounted in key swing states and even start to bring up the subject of possible fraud that might warrant investigation and they immediately tune you out and try to shut you down.

Of course most of the people I know who do that are those 'value voters' who, when pressed to name just ONE of chimp's domestic policy proposals responds with "Oh, I don't pay attention to what my representatives in government are doing."

59 million ass-clowns and counting.

[HEAVYHEART]

66. Wow

[SteppingRazor]

67. It'll probably get heavily revised...

Neutrality and factual accuracy are being debated. While I don't question the factual accuracy, I do question the neutrality (and I'm all about the objectivity when it comes to wikipedia).

This article is biased in our favor. For example, note how the Ohio Gay Unions law is refered to as the "infamous Gay Unions law..."

[lady lib]

69. Donate to Wikipedia

Wow! The authors have done a fantastic job - give them your support.

[harris8]

71. Please do donate, but Wikipedians "do it" for free

FYI - donations to Wikipedia (via WikiMedia Foundation) are gladly accepted, and pay mainly for server hardware and network bandwidth. Here's a link (PayPal is accepted): http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising

All of us Wikipedians write for free. ANYBODY can write for Wikipedia, even anonymously if you want. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page