Does your bank use Diebold ATMs - please let us know!!

[garybeck]

As you know, the Velvet Revolution divestment campaing is grearing up for a huge call to action - for every american who cares about our democracy to use the power of the dollar to hit the voting machine companies where it hurts, by divesting from them.

One idea is to target the banks that use Diebold ATMs. This would be a quick way to hit them hard. Everyone who has bank accounts with these banks will be asked to take their money to another bank.

We need your help. The next time you are at an ATM, please look for the manufacturer of the machine. It is usually printed on the front in plain view. I noticed recently one that said DIEBOLD in big letters, in clear view.

Please use this thread to post your reports. Please report on banks that DO USE DIEBOLD ATMs in particular.

In addition to looking at the ATM machines, you can also call your bank and ask them if they use Diebold ATMs. Any information you find will be helpful - i.e, does the local branch buy the ATMs or does the national headquarters? are all their machines Diebold or just some? You get the idea.

If you are able to determine any banks that do NOT use Diebold AT ALL, please report that here also. We need to give people an alternative.

This is big. Please help out. Thanks.

[AtLiberty]

1. US Bank uses Diebold

How do I know?

Nine times out of ten when I visit the bank, a Diebold truck is blocking the ATM while it's being maintenanced.

Doesn't instill confidence...

[intheflow]

8. This happened to me this week at US Bank.

That machine is always out. So I second the US Bank/Diebold connection.

[Carolab]

12. Third.

Been with US Bank for decades. Don't like the way they are handling my accounts. Told them I'd be switching. This is an excellent reason to do so. I was thinking of switching to Wells Fargo. Do they use Diebold ATMs?

[pstokely]

20. US Bank spelled my last name wrong

[Carolab]

26. You too?

Mine's been wrong on my cash card since forever. I've told them about it repeatedly but they keep sending out new ones with the misspelling.

[silverweb]

2. A great idea.

If I banked with a commercial bank, I'd certainly be all over it and consider switching. However, I've banked for many years with a local credit union that I love.

Even if their ATMs are Diebold, I wouldn't switch -- although I would let them know that they should get another manufacturer for new or replacement machines!

[demwing]

4. Same here

many years with the same credit union, & they use a Diebold ATM.

I'm not switching, but I will pass on the voting machine information.

[silverweb]

6. Exactly.

I've never noticed what ATM my credit union uses, since I don't visit one that often. However, I do intend to make a point of checking up on it soon -- and then making a positive comment or recommending a switch to the board.

[RC]

3. Can't do that.

Some accounts would run into legal problems if I tried to move them.

[napi21]

5. Yes, mine does, but so does every other bank in this area.

That's one of the resons I recognized the name Dibold when they first talked about voting machines. I don't think Dibold makes bad equipment. I've been using ATMs for many years and have NEVER had a problem, as I'm sure most of you have as well.

If there was fraud in the programming of the voting machines, that's misues of the eequipment, but not the fault of the machine.

Yes, I said IF! I agree with the majority of us that believe there was fraud, but I simply don't know how to prove it, and until it's proven, there's going to be continued disbelief in their effectivenss.

[garybeck]

7. we're not saying they make bad ATMs

I'm sure they're fine.

We're trying to divest from the company because of what they do with voting machines.

[napi21]

9. I understand your idea, but it's not practical.

I really did mean that all the banks here use Dibold equipment. There 's just no way you're going to convince people NOT to use their ATMs. It's like trying to convince people not to buy gas...it's just not going to happen.

I think there should be a lot more emphasis put on forcing some kind of auditable documentation of all votes. All computer systems wether they are banks or other businesses have source documents. That's what's missing in voting, and always has been. When I cast my first vote in 1964 in Pa, I used a maachine where you moved a lever for each candidate and at the end hit a red button to cast your ballot. Could they ahve been rigged? I'm sure they could have, but people had confidence in them so there were no questions. Now, people have no confidence in the electronic voting, and there's only one answer. An audit trail. Not just a backup system because it could be rigged too. We need a real paper audit trail,

Just maybe most of the American people do have opinions opposed to ours and Shrub really did get more votes, but it's WRONG for so many people not to have trust in our elections. No matter what it costs, we really need to fix the system and eliminate the questions.

[garybeck]

24. We've been trying that for 3 years!

you said:

"I think there should be a lot more emphasis put on forcing some kind of auditable documentation of all votes."

Uh.... do you realize how long we've been trying to do that? do you know there have been bills in congress for 3 years that were never allowed to come to a vote?

It's time to take this to the next level if you want a democracy.

Please read the Velvet Revolution demand letter. It demands exactly what you say - a voter verified paper ballot.

You said you want to "force" them to do it. How would you like to force them?

The problem is that we've been asking for this for years and they just ignore us. So we have to take it to the next level.

The divestment campaign is it. We need to take all our money out of Diebold and companies that work with Diebold (and the other voting machine companies). The bank ATM idea is just one of many parts to the divestment campaign.

If it is true that ALL banks use Diebold it may not be practical but that has yet to be seen. That's why I started this post. To find out which banks do, which banks don't, and if there are enough banks that don't, so that we can suggest an alternative that most people can use.

I think if you look at the history and facts of this issue, you will agree, it's mandatory that we have to take it to the next level. Yes we have to force them to do something but we have to turn our bark into a bite, because they've been ignoring our barks for at least 3 years now.

Our democracy is at stake. Please join us.

[AtLiberty]

10. At the very least...we should write letters to these banks...

...expressing our views.

[KaliTracy]

11. Key Bank uses Diebold

PM me if you need to know how I know.

[emlev]

13. My credit union has Diebold ATMs--and my support for their work

in the community. I would think they'd welcome an opportunity to speak out against what Diebold is doing re: elections. Can VR give them an opportunity that would be viable for them as a small community institution? If there was a proposal I could get behind, I'd be willing to take it to them (manager, board, whatever) personally.

Otherwise, though I support VRs goals and am interested in their strategy, I would be concerned about boycotting a positive community institution when it looks to me like it would break the credit union (and impact the individuals and community groups it supports) without having a measurable effect on Diebold.

Has VR thought about this sort of situation? I also think the credit union's membership in general would support VR's goals if they were educated about them. Perhaps this institution could be asked to put some question about Diebold to its members via their monthly statements?

[kansasblue]

14. I was wondering about sticker that said

" Diebold cheats!" But I suppose we can't just go and stick them on ATMs.

[KerryReallyWon]

15. Yes...here in Florida

Bank of America uses the Diebold machines! They work when it comes to money...why not votes?

[cry baby]

16. My Bank of America atm machines are Diebold.

[Liberty Belle]

17. Union Bank just got new Diebold machines. Ugh.

[pstokely]

18. Bankers are big repuke supporters, they don't care

[garybeck]

25. they would care if people took their money out n/t

[pstokely]

19. US Bank, Commerce, and UMB in Kansas City have those ATMS

[ccarter84]

21. I've seen a few Wells Fargo (west coast) ATM's that are diebold...

and not so sure about Chevy Chase Bank back east

[Ian David]

22. I use Citizens Bank. They're a blue company that donates to Democrats n/t

[sonias]

23. Wells Fargo uses Diebold

Sonia

[dandrhesse]

27. yes, I bank with US bank and my accounts are in the state of WI, the ATM

are diebold

[garybeck]

28. OK, let me rephrase: do any banks NOT use Diebold??

It will be difficult to tell people to withdraw their money if there's no place to put it.