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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:06 PM
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Lots of Fraud in Clermont County, Ohio?
Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 09:23 PM by berniew1
White Stickers on Kerry ballots

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=7
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• Kerry did not win a single precinct of Clermont’s 191 precincts.
• Judge Connally won 5 Clermont precincts even though she had a low-budget campaign and her opponent, Moyer, was the sitting Ohio Chief Justice and had a well-financed campaign..
• Connally had more actual votes than Kerry in 161 of Clermont’s 191 precincts.
• There were more than 72,000 total votes in the Chief Justice race and more than 87,000 total votes in the presidential race.
• Countywide, Connally had 4,146 more votes than Kerry, even though Connally’s chief justice race had 15,000 fewer total votes than the presidential race.
• Kerry’s percentage of the precinct presidential votes has a moderate negative correlation (-0.536) with the precinct turnout percentage. In other words, in precincts where Kerry had a higher percentage of the presidential vote, he tended to have a lower percentage turnout


Election Results: Clermont Co.
http://www.clermontelections.org/default.php?section=results2004&topic=default

just got the ballot order from Clermont County in Southwestern Ohio. * won this county by nearly 2-1. I wanted to see if the large third-party vote totals would appear in a * county. Although there were not a lot of third-party votes, I came across something amazing to me. Perhaps this was discussed in the Cuyahoga County postings, but I found out looking at Clermont County that although the number position of the candidate does rotate, the actual order of the candidates does not. For instance, the number position of the candidates in one precinct can be as follows:

Bush Kerry Nader Peroutka Badnarik
1 2 3 4 5

In the other precinct shared in the same location, it could be as follows:

Nader Peroutka Badnarik Bush Kerry
1 2 3 4 5

Notice that although Bush is in the first position in the first precinct and fourth in the second precinct, the order of the candidates themselves never changes.

Why does this matter? Well, if you are a programmer trying to come up with a way to change votes, this makes it very easy. If I know that my candidate always appears right before my opponent no matter what, I can write a program to change that by simply telling it for every n number of votes, change opponent's ballot number (x) to x-1.

Maybe I was naive but I assumed that rotating the ballot order also meant rotating the candidate's order as well. This makes computer fraud appear to be much easier to do than I first imagined.
Stickers on Kerry ballots

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=7
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bufffbison Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:19 PM
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1. fraud was widespread in ohio
Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 09:23 PM by bufffbison
kerry in darke county reported 1,000 less votes than what gore got back in 2000. while voter registration in darke county increased by 69%, one of the highest in ohio, yet kerry couldn't capture not one single vote of the increased registrations or sustain that extra 1,000 votes he had lost. meanwhile, bush recieved 4,000 more votes, prior 2000 elections. i had presented this issue to the board of elections in darke county, but soon as i mentioned the word "FRAUD" they claimed no problems were reported, or loss of votes, then showed me the door. but turns out the next day there were machine failures and counting discrepancies all over darke county, and a total of 800 votes were lost, or not counted, reported by the daily advocate
until the democratic party sets up an accountability act on voting regulations or some type movement to protect the america's voices, then the repukes will continue to diminish their voices.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 10:09 PM
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4. Do you have a URL or any documentation on Darke county problems?
I haven't seen anything about it.
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bufffbison Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 12:13 PM
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5. just the election results
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 12:15 PM by bufffbison
no offical investigations were conducted in darke county, so there is very little documentation, besides the investigation a friend and i conducted.

darke county http://www.electionsonthe.net/Oh/Darke/elecres.htm
preble county http://www.electionsonthe.net/Oh/Preble/elecres.htm

here are the election results for darke county. the final count was dated november 29, and our investigations began right after kerry conceeded. so the provisional ballots were not included in the count right after the elections when we conducted our investigations. At that present time, kerry had only 6,700 votes, while bush had 17,800 votes. it was indeed confirmed darke county had one of the highest percentage of new voter registerations than any county in ohio and it was noted that over 50% of them were democratic, (i can verify these numbers since i was partly in charge of distributing the voter rolls to people for phone banking/canvassing) and after obtaining the full election results, I noticed the precincts that had the most new voter registrants, is where kerry lagged in votes. nearly most of those precints kerry had only 15% of the vote, almost half of what gore got in 2000. the numbers just didn't add up. when we compared the results to preble & mercer counties, (more republican saturated and less population than darke), and yet kerry recieved more votes in those counties and purpassed gore's votes by almost 1,000... so to me, there had to been fraud in darke. a lot of people, including democrats will debunk our investigations, however that doesn't refute the facts on the number votes registered, casted, and number that went to kerry and bush.


we realized that kerry would never win majority of the vote in darke county, since it is saturated with republicans. we were only wanting to find answers and leads to prove there was fraud in darke county. a lot of our investigations were comparing the 2004 results with the 2000 election results, and new voter registrants.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:57 PM
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6. where is your analysis of Darke county? why haven't you posted it?
Do you have it on a web page?
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bufffbison Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:54 PM
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7. we have since disposed of it after bush was sworn in
we have posted our analysis on here around 11/6/2004, and it should be in the archive. We also submitted them to the Cobb/Nader/Kerry campaigns for further investigations (it is on the record). you can do a simple google on "darke county election fraud" and you should get a few links on the topic.

i do believe cobb had looked into this issue, but i dont think much had came out of it, because it wouldn't stand in the courts.... although it is still something to consider.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:33 PM
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2. When is this going to hit mainstream?
Makes me so angry...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:58 PM
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3. Man, I still have to finish the Lucas County, OH BOE Investigation tonight
So much fraud, so little time to digest it all.
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