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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:01 AM
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"Why do you oppose a fair election?" A meme.
I have a feeling that shouting "Fraud!" and "Recount!" may not get us as far as we'd like to go. The way I approach the issue with the "neo"Cons is to ask them what they fear from a fair vote. This has two advantages:

1. It stops the foaming Con rant before it can begin.

2. It jars others who may be listening to the conversation, and subtly steers them into a position against the Con.

We don't need to change any "neo"Con minds. What I think we need to do, is to turn the country against them by revealing their true nature.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:04 AM
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1. I like it, and what would you say when they say, "It was fair"
:(
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:07 AM
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2. I'd just say I disagree and so do many others. n/t
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:08 AM
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3. Follow-up question:
"How did * receive over 4000 votes in a county with only 635 registered voters?"
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:10 AM
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4. Good idea, but I'd say....why do you oppose VERIFIABLE elections?
n/t
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:11 AM
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5. Variations on the theme. Keep 'em coming. :) nt
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:12 AM
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6. I think, too, that verifiable is the way to go.
No more negative counts or disappeared votes with no paper back-up. Ever.
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Rawls vs Nozick Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:36 PM
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9. How to do it
You should start w/ "Why do you oppose fair elections."

Then when they say "it was fair," you come back with "No they weren't, because they were not verifiable."

This emphasizes the fact that what is important is not just whether the final counts were accurate, but rather, whether we even had a way to *know* they were accurate.

-RvN-
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:06 AM
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7. "Why do you HATE DEMOCRACY?" or "Why do you HATE FREEDOM?"
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 10:06 AM by aden_nak
Kind of spin their "Why do you HATE AMERICA?" bullshit back at them.
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:52 AM
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8. Yes. Throw the "They hate us for our freedoms" bullshit right back at them
I like it. :)
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