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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:20 AM
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One of our reps or senators could prove himself by taking the lead here
Dennis could prove what a fighter he is by leading the fight to prove Kerry won. If Kerry does become Pres, our leader will set himself up for a cabinet position or for minority leader in the House/Senate. If Kerry doesn't make it, whoever steps up to the plate will be the frontrunner for the 2008 presidency. It's a situation that can only help whoever wants to take the lead.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:22 AM
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1. I saw Dean on a brief televison clip - yelling about the votes - notice
the media is not showing much of that.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:17 AM
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9. Wow you did?
Where and when was that?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:27 AM
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2. WRITE TO YOUR REPS EVERYONE!!
Call them... visit them... pester them... Tell them we need them now - to fight the FRAUD and to refuse to certify the Electoral College until we have answers!!!

NGU.


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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:46 AM
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3. John Conyers has taken the lead.

We need to pressure our reps to support him.

The people who want to gain political advantage from the issue, can be bought off. Only those who care more about democracy than about personal advantage will pursue it.

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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:52 AM
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4. Yes,Call, write, phone...
I called both Senators several days ago, and asked if they would please take action. Both offices seemed surprised , like they did not know much about what is happening. So let's contact as many representatives as possible, and submit lots of info to their web sites. Great idea to contact Dennis.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:00 AM
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5. My dear friend, a 96 year old peace activist since 1930, knows Dennis
I will call her and ask if she is urging Dennis to fight like crazy!! I would imagine he is on it.
:party:
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:02 AM
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6. Great Contact Senators Link
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:08 AM
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7. How about Senators Kerry & Edwards?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:31 AM
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8. John Zogby says Statistics can prove Votergate in court
John Zogby is one of the most reliable pollsters out there. He says “we have a Watergate story here”.


I WOULD LOVE IT IF SOMEONE TOOK HIM UP ON THE OFFER TO PROVE VOTERGATE!



"There's a huge difference between polling what WILL happen and polling something that has already happened. The reliability of polling something that has already happened is highly reliable vs. predictive polls, like Gallup or Zogby, which is very risky. The reliability can be, not plus or minus 4 percent as we see with predictive poplls, but rather a much more reliable plus or minus one half or one tenth of one percent with exit polls, because those are based on asking people who already voted. I would even say that if the exit polling were done in the key precincts of Florida and Ohio, which it was, then these results should be practically “bullet proof.”

It is important that people know how accurate random sampling of historical events can be in order for them to understand how unlikely it is that the exit polls were wrong. So if you want to fight the battle correctly, you must get more statisticians and forensic accountants involved as well as the lawyers. These statisticians can show with great credibility the probability of manipulation within the computer programs used for counting the ballots. They do this kind of work all the time to uncover fraud based upon computer manipulation in commercial and corporate activities. And these types of expert analyses are admissible in a court of law. The problem with all of this is determining who is going to fund such an investigation. Where will the money come from? Perhaps the Kerry/Edwards campaign fund has some surplus that can be used. It is possible that the DNC has some excess funds. How about the 527s and PACs who spent millions on ineffective political ads, coming up with a few million? In addition, who is going to lead the process of getting this done? This kind of an effort requires solidarity along with an organized coordinated effort. It's easy to come up with the forensic and technical people to get this done, but we need a strong leader and solidarity. Leadership and funding-- these are the two real challenges that must be dealt with in the coming days. We have a Watergate story here that could give the media a post election explosive news story that could make the 2000 Florida vote debacle look like small potatoes. We need to get the media to see that votergate 2004 is huge news and we need to quickly fund the investigation and get Democratic leaders behind it.

Sheldon Drobny is CPA and Venture Capitalist and co-founder of Air America Radio.

(11/9/2004)
- By Sheldon Drobny, Op-Ed News "
http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10385

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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:22 PM
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11. When it became obvious that Gore had won Florida in 2000

The pukes rioted and went to court to stop the recount.

When Donna Frye won the San Diego mayoral race on Nov. 2nd, the pukes went to court to stop the recount.

If you're suggesting that we should be more like the pukes, meaning just accept the results, move on, and get over it, I've just listed two good examples of what pukes do when they lose. They whine, fight, and riot.

What we are doing is demanding free and fair elections. You know, the kind the chimp said Cuba, Afghanistan and Iraq should have. Wouldn't it be nice to have them here first before we start telling other countries what to do?

You call it whining, I call it fighting for democracy. Be happy and enjoy your short stay.
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