Here it is.... Analysis Suggests Vote Counts May Have Been Altered

[althecat]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0504/S00001.htm

March 31st , 2005

http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf

Scientific Analysis Suggests Presidential Vote Counts May Have Been Altered
Group of University Professors Urges Investigation of 2004 Election

Officially, President Bush won November's election by 2.5%, yet exit polls showed Kerry winning by 3%<1> . According to a report to be released today by a group of university statisticians, the odds of a discrepancy this large between the national exit poll and election results happening by accident are close to 1 in a million.

In other words, by random chance alone, it could not have happened. But it did.

Two alternatives remain. Either something was wrong with the exit polling, or something was wrong with the vote count.

Exit polls have been used to verify the integrity of elections in the Ukraine, in Latin America, in Germany, and elsewhere. Yet in November 2004, the U.S. exit poll discrepancy was much more than normal exit poll error (and similar to that of the invalid Ukraine election.<2>

In a recent survey of US members of the world's oldest and largest computer society, The Association for Computing Machinery, 95% opposed software driven un-auditable voting machines<3> , of the type that now count at least 30% of U.S. votes. Today's electronic vote-counting machines are not required to include basic safeguards that would prevent and detect machine or human caused errors, be they innocent or deliberate.<4>

The consortium that conducted the presidential exit polls, Edison/Mitofsky, issued a report in January suggesting that the discrepancy between election results and exit polls occurred because Bush voters were more reticent than Kerry voters in response to pollsters.

The authors of this newly released scientific study "Analysis of the 2004 Presidential Election Poll Discrepancies" consider this "reluctant Bush responder" hypothesis to be highly implausible, based on extensive analysis of Edison/Mitofsky's exit poll data. They conclude, “The required pattern of exit poll participation by Kerry and Bush voters to satisfy the exit poll data defies empirical experience and common sense under any assumed scenario.”

A state-by-state analysis of the discrepancy between exit polls and official election results shows highly improbable skewing of the election results, overwhelmingly biased towards the President.

The report concludes, “We believe that the absence of any statistically-plausible explanation for the discrepancy between Edison/Mitofsky’s exit poll data and the official presidential vote tally is an unanswered question of vital national importance that needs thorough investigation.”

Ph.D. statisticians in America who have seen this group's preliminary exit poll study have not refuted it. This new study is a much more comprehensive an analysis of the exit poll discrepancies.

The report is available on-line:

http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf

An executive summary of the report by is available at:

http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_summary.pdf

*Contributors and Supporters of the Report include:

*Josh Mitteldorf*, PhD - Temple University Statistics Department

*Steven F. Freeman*, PhD - Center for Organizational Dynamics, University of Pennsylvania

*Brian Joiner*, PhD - Prof. of Statistics (ret) University of Wisconsin

*Frank Stenger*, PhD - Professor, School of Computing, University of Utah

*Richard G. Sheehan*, PhD -Professor, Department of Finance, University of Notre Dame

*Paul F. Velleman*, PhD - Associate Prof., Department of Statistical Sciences, Cornell University

*Victoria Lovegren*, PhD - Department of Mathematics, Case Western Reserve University

*Campbell** B. Read*, PhD - Prof. Emeritus, Department of Statistical Science, Southern Methodist University

*Jonathan Simon*, J.D., National Ballot Integrity Project

*Ron Baiman, *PhD* *– Institute of Government and Public Affairs, University of Illinois at Chicago

*About US Count Votes*

US Count Votes is a Utah non-profit corporation. It is seeking financial support to complete its "National Election Data Archive" project. The goal of the project is to apply statistical and analytic methods to investigate the integrity of the 2004 elections and to provide for timely verification of the integrity of future elections..

For further information: contact Bruce O’Dell, Vice President, US Count Votes

Email: [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>

612-309-1330

or visit www.electionarchive.org

<1> "Evaluation of Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004" prepared by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for the National Election Pool (NEP) Jan. 19, 2005

<2> In the November 21 runoff, Ukraine's official vote count had Prime Minister Yanukovych the winner by 2.7%. Two exit polls showed him losing by 8% and 2%, respectively. Thus, the discrepancy was between 10.7% and 4.7%. In the US, the discrepancy was between 6.5% and 5.5%. See http://www.templetonthorp.com/ru/news808 and http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2669&category_id=44.

<3> http://www.acm.org/usacm/weblog/index.php?p=73

<4> http://uscountvotes.net/voting_machines/Best_Practices_US.pdf

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SNAP

Link to online version of PR on Scoop.co.nz
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0504/S00001.htm

[fasttense]

1. Even this will be ignored by the corporate media. n/t

[politicaholic]

51. Of course! Too many facts to review, it's easier just to ignore.

Plus this is science and everyone knows that scientists are the soldiers of Satan. Just look at the lies they're spreading about this supposed "global warming" and "stem cell research".

On top of that, what do the polls have to do with statistics anyway?

I wonder what ties these stataticians have to Al Queda. Probably lots. Yup. Bushels of ties.

Staticians lied, people died.

We must protect the election results from people who hate freedom.

[terry4kerry]

73. you forgot the Darwin controversey

[MADem]

71. Between Terri and the Pope

...and a dash of Michael Jackson, this bombshell will sink like a two ton stone. We live in a censored, bread and circus society.

[L. Coyote]

157. And nearly everyone else it seems.

From the USCountVotes page Home > Press & News > Media Releases

I see there are only 295 hits for this press release. I guess that's better than the 997 hits so far for the Jan. 29 release!

http://www.electionarchive.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=70&Itemid=41

Evidence is what will change this situation. If it's out there, it can be found.

[kster]

183. We don't need no"stinking media" ..... n.t

[Botany]

2. Look I live in Ohio.

I know it was a shaft job but what will be done about this?

NOTHING

[DemReadingDU]

4. I live in Ohio too

Rarely is anything in the news about Election Reform. That's because the news is all about Terri Schiavo, Michael Jackson, Terri Schiavo, Michael Jackson, Terri Schiavo, Michael Jackson. Grrr.

[intheflow]

13. Self-delete

posted in the the wrong place on the thread. d'oh!

[thinking is sexy]

42. you forgot

to throw Martha Stewart in there... :)

[BillyDoc]

18. And what, exactly, is keeping YOU from doing something?

http://electionfraudbounty.org/Two%20simple%20election%20plans.php

[jwirr]

47. A better question is What can be done?

Do we know exactly how it was done? Who approved this action in the first place and is it an impeachable offence? If we do not know how exactly it happened how do we prevent the same thing from happening in the future?

[BillyDoc]

53. You won't like the answer . . .

because it won't be easy, and it isn't at all satisfying to contemplate.

But, we are NEVER going to know how it was done in any complete sense because enough heads would roll if we did that they are very carefully protecting each other. This does not mean that we are helpless, only that we will never know the sweet revenge many of us desire.

If you go to the link in #18 above (http://electionfraudbounty.org/Two%20simple%20election%20plans.php)you will find a very simple plan outlined. It is based on this premise: No amount of fraud or poor programming can have any deleterious effect on our Democracy if every ballot produced by computer, or pencil, or whatever means, is recorded on paper and the citizen casting that ballot can hold it in his hand, verify it, and drop it in a large transparent, publicly monitored box for subsequent public counting by other humans. In other words, use a computer to produce a ballot if you want to, but count it by hand.

Our public "servants" absolutely hate this idea, because it makes fraud nearly impossible to pull off. So, they fight it every way that they can. This means that THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REGAIN OUR DEMOCRACY IS BY A CONCERTED ACT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE which takes the form described in the paper referenced above as a "shadow" election followed by court action or massive demonstrations. At this point in our history NOTHING else is going to work! For example, if you think all the hand-wringing and whining on DU will actually accomplish anything useful . . . well, it is educational and that is useful . . . but little more. YOU really are going to be forced to actually put your butt on the line, just like any other soldier facing a vicious enemy. Or not. Some people dream of "The Revolution," some dream of some magical savior coming and "saving" us all. But history has shown that it always boils down to a small number of very dedicated and brave individuals taking charge and just getting the job done. Revolution won't and can’t work, because all you do with that sort of thing is piss off the very people you want on your side. Remember the Weathermen? Dream on about someone else doing the dirty work, it won't happen. And besides, our basic institutions are a wonder of beauty and utility, we want to preserve them!

So get organized in your precinct and set an example for the others. If you have any talent with programming, by all means this is a VERY important contribution that you could be working on.

On the other hand, perhaps you are just another one of Kitty’s neighbors (http://breakthelink.org/The%20reason%20why.php) cowering under the bed waiting for the evil ones to just go away, afraid to “get involved?”

[Bill Bored]

96. Election Fraud Bounty! Clever!

When that bounty gets up there in the millions, post a link on Free Republic. You'll find your whistle blower!

And welcome to DU!

[RaleighNCDUer]

58. Statistics prove nothing. There has to be an investigation for

this to be taken seriously.

As long as there is no investigation, these claims will be dismissed as junk science and conspiracy theories.

Since the very people who would authorize an investigation are the people who are in power and have the most to lose if there was an investigation, we will see no investigation.

By the time the power structure has shifted, which it will do eventually despite all the efforts of the republicans to keep it from happening, all possible evidence will have been shredded and weak links in the conspiracy will have been suicided.

Not that I'm pessimistic or anything.

[KnowerOfLogic]

172. We need to get one of the voting machines suspected of being

progammed to steal it for bush. I know this subject has been mentioned before, and it's probably too late now, since i'm sure they've all been scrubbed. But you're right; statistics prove nothing - we must have *hard evidence.* Even though a machine procured through 'unauthorized means' would not be admissible as evidence, it would at least help to confirm or deny theories, or provide clues as to where to find other useful evidence.
In the same vein, dems should really be planning some 'counter-hacking' measures for 2006, 2008; because if they did steal it, they can and will do it again, and no amount of campaigning, leg-work, fundraising or anything else will get us the win.

[Filius Nullius]

188. "Statistics prove nothing."

Actually statistics are admissible if prepared according to accepted standards. The problem is convincing a jury that they meet the standard of proof, which is by a preponderance of the evidence in a civil case or beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case.

In the case of hacked election computers, pinning it on a specific individual or individuals can be problematic. I believe the best shot to pin election irregularities on anyone may be Dean Logan, the Election Supervisor for King County, Washington, for the missing entries in the audit log in the Diebold GEMS central tabulator computer for a primary election held there last fall.

[Kip Humphrey]

67. Here's what you can do:

Attend the National Election Reform Conference in Nashville on April8-10 2005:


Then, go home, organize, mobilize, and protest on May 1 2005 in your home town or city:


Organize local teach-ins with local activist organizations (DFA, Greens, Kucinich, Dems, anti-war, environmentalist groups, code pink, etc., etc., etc.). They have no hope unless and until we restore our votes and voting systems. Educate them!

Then organize and mobilize them to conduct teach-ins, spread the word, lobby for voting rights legislation at the state level, conduct email & flyer campaigns locally, picket press outlets demanding they break the stolen election story.

[In Truth We Trust]

3. Paper ballots NOW!!!! Hand counts Now!!!!! n/t

[Carolab]

55. The report totally supports this.

Look at the table below.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. Thanks for the link to the report! n/t

[MelissaB]

6. Let's vote it up, guys.

[electropop]

7. Great report, and solid list of universities.

I hope now that Terri has passed, there mey be a millisecond of air time to wedge in a story of actual significance. At least until the next Peterson appeal or Jacko hearing.

[Discord]

8. Spread the word... has anyone made sure the media knows?

:kick:

[TayTay]

10. CNN Is doing a 25th Anniversary poll online

that mentions voting 'reforms' and invites comments.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/cnn.25/

[Carolab]

56. Did anyone link to this report there?

If not, I will.

[intheflow]

80. HAHAHA!! At 8pm EST the vote stood at

How have voting methods changed over the past 25 years?

I think they are better now: 21%
It's only getting worse: 58%
It has made no difference to me: 21%

:rofl:

I really love how that second option is worded. It's only getting worse. LOL, CNN!

[Dancing_Dave]

113. So tomorrow CNN will say this poll was a mistake

Because the people who like Karl Rove style elections better are afraid to say so!

[LatePeriduct]

169. You can remind CNN too..

Its bad to work for fascists. Its about time they themselves start running the Clint Curtis vote fraud stories and stop taking paychecks from Rove....

Its going to blow up, they would be best to get on the bandwagon I think everyone can agree.

[babsbunny]

93. only getting worse 58%

Groovy!

[nolabels]

9. Working the margins, the M.O. of most money interests

Why should Elections be any different for them? Like really, think about it, they sell you everything while working on edge of mediocrity, why do you think an election would be any different when their M.O. is working it?

I don't give a rat's ass about any of the candidates, I want to know about the man behind the curtain :popcorn:

<2> In the November 21 runoff, Ukraine's official vote count had Prime Minister Yanukovych the winner by 2.7%. Two exit polls showed him losing by 8% and 2%, respectively. Thus, the discrepancy was between 10.7% and 4.7%. In the US, the discrepancy was between 6.5% and 5.5%. See http://www.templetonthorp.com/ru/news808 and http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2669&category_id=44.

[Peace Patriot]

141. Well, nolabels, the key fact is that our TV networks "adjusted" our exit..

...polls (Kerry won) to fit the official result (Bush won), late on election day (by feeding the official results coming from BushCon-controlled central electronic vote tabulators into the exit poll data), thus denying Americans the strong evidence of fraud that the true exit poll data revealed. We got polluted and falsified information, whereas the voters in the Ukraine got the real numbers--exit poll vs official result--and could plainly see that something was very wrong.

I think what our TV networks did was the worst journalistic crime of the US news monopolies, ever.

[KnowerOfLogic]

173. Well, they sold the iraq war like a box of soap, too, didn't they? nt

[pauldp]

11. kick it

[bleever]

12. Nominated, and kicked.

[intheflow]

14. Wish this would make the DU home page.

As is, I'll just have to nominate it and kick it up. :kick:

[clovis29]

72. It did

nt

[Zan_of_Texas]

15. from the report, page 18:

Table 7: Median WPE by voting equipment

Type of equipment used at.... ....Median WPE {Within Pct. Error}
..........Polling place............. .............. Overall .............
_________________________ . . . ______________________________
Paper ballot . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -0.9
Mechanical voting machine . . . . . . . . -10.3
Touch screen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -7.0
Punch cards . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -7.3
Optical scan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -5.5

Precincts with paper ballots, used primarily in rural precincts, showed a median WPE of –0.9, consistent with chance, while all other technologies were associated with unexplained high WPE discrepancies between election and exit poll results.



{Sorry, I don't know how to format a table here}

[hraka]

127. Your table worked.

My state (Oregon) uses paper ballots counted by machine with automatic hand count for close races. We didn't elect the monkey. (But Measure 36, banning gay marriage, did. Go figure.)

[L. Coyote]

158. how to format a table here

Use pre and /pre tags and the text displays as monospace font with every tab and space intact. Copy and paste data from Excel between the pre tags works well.

[LatePeriduct]

191. Clint Curtis took the lie detector test.

It proved he created the software. Someone has said there is proof that he used it in the national central computer during 2004.

So my question is why in the hell does nobody check it? Why not go into Washington D.C and actually find the central computer?

[spooked911]

16. Great-- Terri Schiavo dies the same die and no one will pay any attention

to this except us "loonies".

[Javaman]

63. Which means someone held this up, until something "bigger" could

dominate the news.

[Al-CIAda]

17. Gore Vidal on Election theft, and the complicity of some Dems-

The Undoing of America: Gore Vidal on war for oil, politics-free elections, and the late, great U.S. Constitution
by Steve Perry

For the past 40 years or so of Gore Vidal's prolific 59-year literary career, his great project has been the telling of the American story from the country's inception to the present day, unencumbered by the court historian's task of making America's leaders look like good guys at every turn. The saga has unfolded in two ways: through Vidal's series of seven historical novels, beginning with Washington DC in 1967 and concluding with The Golden Age in 2000; and through his ceaseless essay writing and public appearances across the years. Starting around 1970, Vidal began to offer up his own annual State of the Union message, in magazines and on the talk circuit. His words were always well-chosen, provocative, and contentious: "There is not one human problem that could not be solved," he told an interviewer in 1972, "if people would simply do as I advise."
Though it's a dim memory now, Vidal and commentators of a similarly outspoken bent used to be regulars on television news shows. Vidal's most famous TV moment came during the 1968 Democratic Convention, when ABC paired him with William F. Buckley on live television. On the next to last night of the convention, the dialogue turned to the question of some student war protesters raising a Vietcong flag. The following exchange ensued:

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Ohio was stolen. The Republican Congress will never have a hearing on it. But I think attempts are being made to publish the details of what was done there, and elsewhere too in America.
In other words, I put the case that Bush was never elected--not in 2000, and not in 2004. This is a new game in the world. Through the magic of electronic voting, particularly through Mr. Diebold and friends, you can take a non-president and make him president. But how to keep the people, including the opposition who should know better, so silent, this introduces us to a vast landscape of corruption which I dare not enter.

Con't-

http://citypages.com/databank/26/1268/article13085.asp]http://citypages.com/databank/26/1268/article13085.asp

[concord]

81. Thank you for posting this

Vidal's "pamphlets" were extremely instrumental in getting me up to speed on the state of our political condition. I find his candor quite refreshing.

[burythehatchet]

100. Love Gore Vidal

great Q&A

CP: Has the media played a role in transforming citizens into spectators of this process?

Vidal: Well, they have been transformed, by design, by corporate America, aided by the media, which belongs to corporate America. They are no longer citizens. They are hardly voters. They are consumers, and they consume those things which are advertised on television. They are made to sound like happy consumers. Listen to TV advertising: This one says, "I had this terrible pain, but when I put on Kool-Aid, I found relief overnight. You must try it too." All we do is hear about little cures for little pains. Nothing important gets said. There used to be all those talk shows back in the '50s and '60s, when I was on television a great deal. People would talk about many important things, and you had some very good talkers. They're not allowed on now. Or they're set loose in the Fox Zoo, in which you have a number of people who pretend to be journalists but are really like animals. Each one has his own noise--there's the donkey who brays, there's the pig who squeals. Each one is a different animal in a zoo, making a characteristic noise. The result is chaos, which is what is intended. They don't want the people to know anything, and the people don't.

[Roland99]

19. Comparing to exit polls is a fruitless endeavor

Show me more along the lines of what Bev Harris is doing.

[gasperc]

120. it pushes people to question though

it can't be entered into evidence in a court of law. But it does give us clues to where they cheated and we can focus on specific areas if not down to precincts to weed out the fraud.

Some glaring examples were the big shifts to Bush in various red states, between the exit poll and final results. Other posters here and elsewhere said Bush won this election in the red states. What this document helps show is that red state vote totals were manipulated to pump up Bush's popular vote. This was then used as leverage to dispute an electoral loss or more generally simply claim legitimacy by saying, hey we won the popular vote by 3million, shut up.

[Peace Patriot]

142. Roland99 and gasperc, you are both wrong...

"Comparing to exit polls is a fruitless endeavor..." --Roland99
"...it can't be entered into evidence in a court of law." --gasperc

This kind of evidence (exit polls) CAN be used in a court of law--and is just the kind of evidence that is permitted in cases of financial fraud, for instance, where the perps have shredded the paper trail.

Also, when you combine this evidence (the exit polls) with all the other evidence of fraud (for instance, touchscreens changing Kerry votes to Bush votes) and massive and very illegal vote suppression by Republican election officials against Democratic voters, especially minority voters, you have a compelling case for Fraud 2004 quite sufficient to require a Congressional investigation, in any Congress but this one.

And THAT is the problem: This Congress, dominated by BushCons, is not into fairness and justice. They LIKE this fraudulent election system. It was their pet creation. No amount of evidence of any kind--even photos of Rove hacking the computers--would have swayed them to investigate.

Possibly this is one of the reasons why Democratic Party leaders did not press the case. Justice was not possible. --although I tend to think it was a combination of factors, including corruption and collusion by some Democrats. The Democratic leaders' failure to cry foul on this obviously, egegriously fraudulent election SYSTEM, PRIOR to the election, is one of the greatest political puzzles of all time. (Wally O'Dell counting all our votes in secret...I mean, come on....)

There was sufficient exit poll evidence and analysis available one week after the election for Democratic leaders to know that the election had been fixed. Combined with other data they had--for instance, the Democrats' blowout success in new voter registration--I cannot believe that they didn't know. (Kerry might not have known, though--I suspect he may have been ill advised by party leaders who had their own motives for giving him bad information--among them, fear of the grass roots anti-war movement that elected Kerry, and to whom Kerry would have been beholden.)

A note about "in a court of law": An election is quite a different matter from court proceedings and criminal prosecutions. The burden of proof that an election is transparent and verifiable is on the election officials and the election system they have put into place. In a sense, the election SYSTEM is guilty until proven innocent. It must be able to demonstrate that it is completely transparent and above board. Anything less--such as secret, propretary programming code owned and controlled by Bush partisans, used to tabulate all the votes electronicially--IS evidence of fraud. A non-transparent election--particularly one that is controlled by partisans of one side--is INHERENTLY fraudulent.

To put it another way, would you trust the chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio, a man who pledged to "deliver" Ohio to Bush-Cheney in 2004, and who furthermore contributed large amounts of money to the Bush-Cheney campaign, to tell you who won the 2004 election on the basis of his secret vote-counting method?

That's exactly what we just had happen, on 11/2/04.

[rigel99]

20. US COUNT VOTES.. hats off to a brilliant study

applause to this group of top notch researchers, to the folks at US Count Votes who are doing the very important work of helping us all prove election fraud.

bit by bit, piece by piece, Americans are taking back our democracy.

BRAVO DARLINGS... This makes my day.. what an excellent report...

ACTION: Everyone, send this to every legislator you can get your hands on !!!!

[eddieb]

21. Told ya

Why didn't someone ask me, I would have told you this right after the vote lead changed to Bushbag In flalala !

[MelissaB]

25. Hi, eddieb!

Welcome! :hi:

[eddieb]

41. Hi MelissaB

Hello

[goclark]

69. Yep, Surprise, surprise!

DU said that the night of the election!

[Carolab]

57. Yes, indeed, send it to your representatives.

I did, and I also made sure that 2006 candidates have it, as well as the state Democratic party chair.

Has anyone sent it to Donna Brazile or Howard Dean?

[Filius Nullius]

125. Do they have "2004 Presidential Election Fraud for Idiots" on EBay?

The researchers who produced this report are to be commended for their hard work and courage. The report itself reads like a doctoral dissertation. It will be an important tool for convincing individuals who have at least a basic understanding of statistical methods. However, many readers who lack such a background will get to a paragraph like the following and think to themselves, "I have absolutely no idea what they are talking about":

"Seven of fifty states have t values less than –2.7, meaning that each of them had less than 1% probability of having the reported difference between exit polls and election results occurring by chance. The binomial probability that 7 of 50 should be so skewed is less than one in 10,000,000. A full comparison of the exit polls with the null distribution (blue curve) via a Shapiro-Wilk test yields a probability that is astronomically small that such exit poll discrepancies could occur by chance."

At that point, it is doubtful that many of the statistically challenged will decide that it is worth the effort to slog onward. Of course, it was necessary to write the original report in language that fellow statisticians can readily understand. Like other disciplines, statisticians have developed their own jargon that actually facilitates rapid comprehension of written material. There is no substitute for a crisply written report couched in the technical argot of the authors' peers.

Nevertheless, I submit that the group who produced this report needs to find a way to make their findings intelligible to non-academicians who may try to read and comprehend this. Maybe they could commission a writer from the "... for Idiots" series of computer manuals that has enabled the vast unwashed masses of technophobes to achieve at least rudimentary levels of understanding of complex computer science subjects.

Perhaps a work entitled "2004 Presidential Election Fraud for Idiots" would be in order. It should leave out all unnecessary jargon. Any esoteric terminology that is included should be carefully explained in lay terms.

If they will do this, they may have a chance of developing a substantial level of support within the electorate for their conclusions.

[Filius Nullius]

133. Uh, make that "...for Dummies"

Oops, I goofed! I'm not sure you are supposed to reply to your own post, but that is, of course, the "...for Dummies" series, not "...for Idiots," to which I was referring (the latter series is one that has not been issued yet, but is desperately needed by people like me). I didn't mean to imply that the readers of such books or persons who have difficulty understanding the USCountVotes report are mentally defective in any way. In fact, I was being decidedly tongue-in-cheek when I wrote this because it is obviously far too controversial a subject for the publishers of those books.

Nevertheless, I still believe that a simplified version needs to be written. Maybe it should be called "2004 Presidential Election Fraud for the Statistically Challenged."

[Peace Patriot]

143. Here are a couple of summaries of the US Count Votes conclusions...

...that I've been using. They issued a preliminary report (5 pages) a month or two ago that laid out their findings thus far. This new longer report provides the detail and analysis.

I've been summarizing that first report in the following ways:

Real simple: Nine Ph.D.s who have examined 2004 election data, are saying, in essence, that the odds against the Bush win are ten million to one.

More specific:

Nine Ph.D's from leading universities say, 1) Kerry won the Exit Polls (by 3%); 2) there is evidence that the Exit polls were actually skewed to Bush (contrary to news reports), so Kerry's margin was likely even higher than the Exit Poll 3%; 3) the way the official results vs. the Exit Polls are skewed to Bush is virtually impossible--odds against it of ten million to one; 4) there is evidence of electronic fraud at the precinct level, and 5) they call for investigation of the 2004 Election (and are undetaking such an investigation themselves).

[camitche]

22. This will of course make no difference

for years. it only means that 20 years from now our positions on these issues will be roundly accepted. But we knew that already.

[MelissaB]

27. Welcome, camitche!

:hi:

Many people are working diligently so that it doesn't take 20 years for this information to get out.

[rigel99]

108. sooner than you think..

this study will vindicate all of us sooner than you think...

recounts beginning again soon in OH,

lawsuits all over the country

and some very very interesting things in the South Brewing...

I can't wait till nashville....

[MelissaB]

109. That sounds like a scoop.

Care to elaborate?

[LatePeriduct]

155. Wow that report was unbelievable.

It really nailed things home in a big way for me!

They're actually forcing another recount in Ohio? I guess my emails really did reach cliff arnebeck. He must be fighting still.

But what I find that jumps out at me the most, is all the vote discrepencies in the state of Florida.

Especially that county Miami-Dade! In the EIRS it says that this one had the most vote purges of almost any state county. I think it even goes down to the precinct level.

The ones working on this have updated again at http://rigged-aggregators.blogspot.com and it really hits this one home. If the head people in these voting protection groups like USCount know about all the purging, why aren't they auditing the machines yet?

TrueVoteMD already has one in possession if anyone is following the story. Why can't they just do the job and find where the filter is.

[kster]

156. Keep up the great work Rigell99....n/t

[tinrobot]

23. We had a coup in 2004 and hardly anyone noticed.

Kerry won. It's so sad for this country that people can't wake up to that fact.

This country would be different already if he had taken office - no fights over judicicial appoinments, social security, etc...

[suziedemocrat]

24. Coup - Exactly - We're no better than any other banana republic.

Something HAS to be done about this!!! For a while I thought Prosecutor Kerry and Brilliant Lawyer Edwards were just gathering facts so they could make a rock solid case to bring Bush Co. to justice. But - I've lost hope. Does anyone still have hope that this will all come out?

BTW - I almost couldn't watch the news or show up here for two weeks with all the the Schiavo posts. I thought starving her to death was very sad. When my dog was put down they gave him a fatal dose of morphine to ease his suffering - I would have liked that much better. But - all the attention given to TS was over-the-top. So many people die each day in an unnecessary war in Iraq. So many people in the U.S. without Health Insurance - and all we can talk about is Terry Schiavo. I hate to say it - but I'm so glad she finally died and maybe we can move on.

[tinrobot]

26. No Terri Schiavo, either...

...or at least *less* Terri Schiavo had Kerry taken office.

[Carolab]

54. Don't forget. Conyers, Arnebeck, Bonifaz, Truitt, all are working on it.

There are still lawsuits, and K/E are signed on to them.

[bearfan454]

59. Kerry is an elitist I'm sorry to say

He sold us out. I hope I'm wrong.

[manxkat]

61. Yeah, I have to agree, much as I still

wish Kerry were in the White House now. He'd be a kinder/gentler elitist..... but, that reminds me of the wonderful Lily Tomlin quote, which I'll paraphrase: "The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat."

[karynnj]

64. What could Kerry do?

Even if he went to Ohio and called its election into question and actually convinced people- the constitution says the Ohio legislature has to approve a set of delegates - If the election is in doubt, there is no provision in the constitution for a do over. The Rep Ohio legislature would send a Rep slate that the US Senate and house (both Rep controlled) would approve. More likely, Kerry would have torn the country apart.

[tavalon]

122. All the better

Do we fall apart slowly and viciously as we are now or do we rend this country to save it? It's been done before. BTW, the main thing that Kerry standing up for us in Ohio would have done is make this front page news - all of it. Instead, they covered his concession and moved on.

[Lost4words]

105. I think you are correct, he had a responsibility to stand up.

he walked from his supporters and left us drifting in the middle of the sea in a leaking life raft without even a peep as did most of the democratic party. I didnt think he really gave a crap about all his supporters. Nor for the sanctity of the electoral process. I'll never vote for him again. Not that it would be counted anyway.

[Peace Patriot]

144. Didn't Bush sign a bill in Texas that allowed doctors to unplug the poor?

I just picked that up somewhere. Can't remember the ref. Sorry. Anybody know the details?

It's kind of like Wally O'Dell counting all our votes in secret. The most obvious things are ignored--when it comes to the Bush Cartel's crimes. Blatant hypocrisy. Screeching ironies.

[L. Coyote]

159. Given Florida 2000, we must be a "Citrus Republic"

and everything since is sour fruit of a bad tree.

[Lost4words]

106. The coup took place on December 12, 2000 IMHO!

12/12/2000 did more damage than 9/11/2001, Hell No I'll Never Forget!

[L. Coyote]

160. Without 12/12/2000, perhaps no 9/11/2001, n/t

"Appoint" the son of the guy who dropped bombs in Gulf War I.
Real bright!!

Make the Gulf warriors the national leaders. Real bright!!

Shut out the Palestines. Don't even talk to them. Real Bright!!

9/11 was not inevitable. It happened on Bush's watch. Kerry never made that case. Bush's security failure should have been topic 1 on 9/12.

[Warren DeMontague]

138. Actually, I think the real date was November 22, 1963.

It's questionable how much genuine democracy we've had since then.

[leanin_green]

190. The coup was in '63, '04 became the "Final Run."

It's been a steady, though oftentimes interrupted, progression to where we are today. A great deal was learned about the masses in WWII. We have been studied and practiced on since the '50's. Eisenhower warned us of what was to come in his last speech before leaving office. Ever sense the "Decade of Assasination," as I choose to call it, we have been in the tightening grip of the Military Industrial Complex. Occasionally, a leader was elected(because they couldn't control it yet), that sought to bring better conditions to the citizenry. They were fought at every turn through diverse means until the day would come, and the technology to institute it, that our leaders could be selected by whomever controlled the levers of power. That day has arrived. The "Coup" is complete and we the people have lost. The days are coming and now are that our government institutions will take on the semblence of days past. Lip service will be payed to our grand ideals about freedom and democracy, but it no longer exists within these borders. The make-up of government will resemble what we have always known, with elections? held, appointments made, debate pretended and votes calculated. But it's all a sham and a grand play to appease the masses and to deceive them into believing that democracy is still practiced within the United States of America. Alas, it is not so, RIP American Democracy 2004.

[MelissaB]

28. Did anybody blast this already?

I can't find that darn media blaster. It's hiding from me today.

[MelissaB]

30. I just sent this to

Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann. I have their addresses. :)

[StainlessSteelUrsus]

29. I don't trust the exit polls.

I think a majority of voters really did vote for Bush. I think the cheating was balanced out and Bush won. In 2008, the Democratic Party needs to nominate a candidate who can win.

[MelissaB]

31. It would be a good idea for you

to read some of the articles in this forum. You just might change your mind.

Also, welcome to DU. :hi:

[tinrobot]

33. So... the exit polls have always been wrong? Wrong.

Exit polling procedures haven't changed much at all and they've been very, very accurate in the past.

The voting machines, however, did change.

In science, you always look for the variables that have changed to find the reason the outcome of the experiment has changed.

[Virginian]

110. Science Bad -- Faith based good

"In science, you always look for... "
This country has turned its back on science. We all want to go back to the dark ages with faith as our only form of medicine and logic being ridiculed for being un-faithful.
You have to BELIEVE! You can't just go around experimenting with things. Where is your faith? You will believe what George Bush tells you to believe -- or else!

[Blue Belle]

35. I think that they did...

I think the Democrats had electable candidates in 2000, and 2004...

I think that until we get a uniformed voting system, we won't have fair elections period.

[blackspade]

38. could you back up your ...

contention that cheating on BOTH sides balanced each other out?
Republican voter fraud is so well documented and so over reaching I find that it incredible that you would make this statement.
What cheating by the Democrats are you referring to?

[brainshrub]

118. What do you mean by: "... the cheating was balanced out"?

Care to elaborate?

[Peace Patriot]

145. A great majority of Americans oppose every major Bush policy,

foreign and domestic--way up in the 60% to 70% range? Iraq war, torture, Soc Security privatization, you name it. And Bush's general approval rating is dismal--hovering around 50% (since before the election!). The opinion polls show a huge "vote of no confidence" by the American people--so big and so consistent that "margin of error" and other skew factors melt into insignificance.

How do you account for that--that Bush "won" the most votes yet does not represent the great majority of Americans on any major issue?

Also, prove to me that Bush won. Really--try to prove it. What election data are you looking at, and where did it come from?

In fact, the votes were "counted" using secret, proprietary programming code (in the central electronic vote tabulators and 1/3 of the voting machines in the country), owned and controlled by Bush partisans. That programming code is not subject to public review--not even by election officials--and has been proven to be easily hackable (one hacker, a couple of minutes).

That's all the proof there is that Bush "won." There is no other proof. And all evidence to the contrary (for instance, the exit polls that Kerry won) was hidden from the American people. The TV networks CHANGED the exit poll data, on election day, to fit the official result!

In short, there is no proof that Bush won--and there is a lot of evidence that he didn't. The election was unverifiable, and subject to partisan control.

You can't just wipe all this away by saying you "think" he won. What facts can you offer that he did win? You say "the cheating was balanced out." There were 57,000 complaints to Congress of "malfunctioning" machines and vote suppression--virtually all of it favoring Bush and hurting Kerry. How was the cheating "balanced out"? If 90 touchscreens change Kerry votes to Bush votes, and 3 change Bush votes to Kerry votes, how is that "balanced out"? Those are the sorts of numbers we have--adding up to an overwhelming wrongful skew to Bush in every set of facts we look at.

Your opinion has emotional resonance. Yeah, Bush is still in power. Yeah, the news monopolies keep repeating that he was elected (and keep completely ignoring all facts to the contrary). Yeah, many people are hooked into the news monopoly delusion, and DON'T KNOW that there is strong evidence that Bush DIDN'T win, nor that the election was unverifiable and highly suspect. And we really need to face this truly terrible situation. Your post is useful in that regard--a dash of cold reality. But your merely saying that you "think" he won, and that you "think" a majority of Americans voted for him, does nothing at all to convince me--especially given what I know of the facts--and it merely makes me suspect that you yourself are a victim of the news monopoly delusion.

[LatePeriduct]

192. In 2008 they'll never win again.

Then from there on out there will not be real elections just little games to suit the wealthy man.

Oh but by the way, which is more unreliable.

The exit polls themselves or the machines that match the exit polls?

http://rigged-aggregators.blogspot.com

Maybe you can go find out yourself.

[el_duderino]

32. We can try to be heard...

Let's make our elected representatives aware of this excellent, expert analysis of the overwhelming probability of vote/election theft. Send the report to the congresspersons and senators of your choice. Maybe some will even read it. We can at least try.

[wryter2000]

43. Welcome, dood

:hi:

Welcome to DU

[intheflow]

82. You're 100% right.

If we don't at least try to reach out and educate our elected officials, we become complicit in the problem. Welcome to DU, el_duderino. :hi:

[markbowen]

34. Power to the (lazy) people

The election in 2000 was clearly stolen, the same for 2004. That there is less hoo-ha about it means they have gotten better at doing it.

The problem is that an election like 2000 or 2004 in any other country in the world, particularly the newer democracies, would have resulted in massive protests and civil unrest, such as was seen recently in Krgyzstan, or Ukraine, Georgia or even Serbia.

Because people who never had democracy want it badly. And people who have had it for a long time take it for granted. At their angriest, they just bitch about it on internet forums.

[wryter2000]

44. Welcome, Mark

:hi:

[intheflow]

86. I agree that most people in the US take democracy for granted.

But you aren't suggesting that people on sites like DU only talk "underground" and never do anything about it? Well, this is patently untrue, my friend. Many of us walk the talk. May I refer you to the Activism and Events or the Campaign 2006 and 2008 forums? You might also check out your local State or Country forum to learn about local activism in your area.

People sharing information on line can be very good because it gives us the national picture, as opposed to the local and "sanitized" national news we get. And then there's always the word of mouth kind of activism. I bet almost all of us share at least some of what we learn at DU with other people we know. So please don't think we're just sitting around bitching. Many of us are working to transform our government. We could sure use more help, though, so welcome to DU. :hi:

[Deja Q]

94. The meek inherited the Earth. And didn't care because Reuben was singing.

[Peace Patriot]

146. "...they just bitch about it on internet forums."

Being able to bitch about it is quite useful, actually. People who know what is going on in this country, re: election fraud, NEED a place to vent their frustration and anger, and a place to meet others, to share information, and to hook up with activist groups. The DU election forum provides all of these functions. Further, DU activists have initiated all kinds of organized campaigns, right in this forum--to support elected officials who have spoken out (Conyers, Boxer et al), to pressure elected officials and news organizations, and to support and publicize reports, articles, TV and radio broadcasts, films, election conferences and public protests.

Maybe some people just bitch. That's okay, too. This is a place where all those millions and millions of Kerry voters, who may be feeling isolated and depressed, can find out that they are not alone. Some will move on from "just bitching" to doing something. And those who don't will have at least gotten better informed, and more of a feeling of empowerment in their lives, among family and friends, and at their work places.

It's my general impression that the most activist among us are also the biggest bitchers. The two things--activism and bitching--are not at all exclusive. Bitching means you're mad--worried, disturbed, angry, disgusted--and that you are perceiving the huge discrepancy between how our democracy should be working, and what is actually happening to it. Mad contains energy. It's a motivator--for many.

[RT_Fanatic]

36. Don't they know

that all university academica are socialist LIEberals?
*sarcasm off*

[wryter2000]

45. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[brainshrub]

37. To bad Kerry surrendered so early.

If he had fought back, evidence like this might make a difference today.

[youspeakmylanguage]

49. Fought back with what?

What was Kerry supposed to use as evidence? Would someone please answer that question?

Even if this study makes a compelling case, we HAVE to have hard evidence before we can make a case for impeachment and criminal prosecution. We need an honest-to-god reputable whistleblower with physical evidence. I know it sucks, but we have to have a smoking gun, fingerprints, and a signed confession before we can make any real progress on this front.

[Blue_Roses]

77. well said!

the voice of reason:applause:

[tavalon]

123. Thing is, from my point of view

Kerry standing up and fighting had nothing to do with him winning. They stole it fair and square. The reason I wanted him to stand up was to highlight what had happened. He had enough clout to do that and to be heard, but as soon as he realized he wouldn't be able to win, suddenly it was no longer about making sure every vote was counted. He cut and run.

If he had stayed and fought, Bush would still be the President right now, but we probably would be much further along towards getting that impeachment going.

He said it wasn't about winning, it was about counting all the votes. His actions said counting all the votes didn't really matter if it wasn't going to get him a win. I believe actions more than words.

[Paul Dlugokencky]

83. Hear, Hear

As much as my blood boils over this and I wish Kerry had raised hell, real evidence is needed. I believe the report points in the right direction, but we live in a country where people question the scientific evidence of evolution. A "smoking gun" is needed. Meanwhile, we each need to work in the state and community in which we live to ensure fair elections are held in 2006 and beyond.

[Bill Bored]

102. Right your are Paul,

so please go to this site: www.nyvv.org
and tell the members of the NY HAVA committee to outlaw e-voting machines before it's too late.

And Welcome to DU!

[Peace Patriot]

148. "...real evidence is needed..." And, what should/could Kerry have done?

"...real evidence is needed..."--for what? To take to the Bush Pod People in Congress? Right. Or maybe, to take it to the news media? Uh-huh. Whistleblowers will be crucified. (Look what just happened to CA Sec of State Kevin Shelley, for suing and decertifying Bush buddy Diebold!). Or perhaps you have a lawsuit in mind. Have you taken a look lately at the Bush stacked courts? Did you read Bush v. Gore '00? Have you been following Arnebeck's and the Greens efforts at discovery in Ohio? (--or the motion for sanctions against them?)

We need to get past "real evidence is needed," and Kerry the White Knight rescuing us. Both things are distracting and off point.

The election was unverifiable and non-transparent, and its result was entirely under the private, secret control of major Bush partisans. The election was therefore invalid on its face. And, in ADDITION, there is powerful evidence (the exit polls)--which was hidden from the American people by the TV networks--of a wrong result (not to mention the baldfaced illegality of Republican election officials in Ohio and Florida).

This is the problem. We ALREADY HAVE a very strong case for an invalid election and a wrong result, and no justice is possible, anywhere in this country, in any official forum.

The exit poll statistics are the same kind of evidence that is used in cases of financial fraud, where the perpetrators have shredded the "smoking gun" papers. It IS admissible in a court of law. So are the massive evidences of machine "malfunction" favoring Bush, the massive Voting Rights Act violations by Republican election officials, the weird numbers favoring Bush all over the map, and so much else. But there is not a judge in the country who would risk his/her neck by overturning this election. And most of them wouldn't want to. Just look at the obstruction of the recounts and lawsuits in Ohio!

Whatever we come up with, they will spin or ignore. That's the truth of the matter.

I'm not saying don't seek a "smoking gun." I would love to see the perps identified, prosecuted and in jail. I'm just saying, don't wait around for that day. Act now, both to inform people of what happened and to achieve verifiable elections. These are the only constructive things we can do in these circumstances, and the only way we can restore democracy.

The Kerry the White Knight rescue fantasy and the hope for a "smoking gun" are similar: they presume that an agent outside of ourselves will save this country. A courageous leader. A whistle-blower. It's okay to have those hopes, and even to work on them in whatever way one can--but what's far more important is that we, as a people, take hold of the newsmaking ourselves, inform each other, and take immediate practical action to restore our right to vote.

As with the Iraq war, the collective realization and the collective consciousness of election fraud 2004 will come. The truth will out. But it will take time, given the mountains we have to move to make it happen. Time and patience, and trust in the truth and in ourselves.

[davidgmills]

135. Did they need a whistleblower in the Ukraine?

[Peace Patriot]

147. The people in the Ukraine got the real exit poll data on election day,

and could plainly see that something was very wrong--the exit polls differed from the official result. But here, the TV networks CHANGED the exit polls (Kerry won) to fit the official results (Bush won), late on election day--they ADJUSTED the numbers to erase the Kerry win of the exit polls, thus denying Americans this strong evidence of fraud.

Further--something ELSE most Americans were never informed about--the official result was being fed to the networks by central electronic vote tabulators, run on secret, proprietary programming code, owned and controlled by major Bush partisans.

Our election was unverifiable and non-transparent, with highly suspicious players controlling the election data, and strong evidence of a wrong result--and most Americans knew nothing of all this, because all of it was suppressed by the news monopolies.

I suppose you could fault Americans for not finding out for themselves, but then you are asking for a major change of consciousness that cannot just happen overnight--especially with a population subjected to unrelenting propaganda. It will take time here--as with the lies about Iraq WMDs. (That took a year.)

[Callboy]

39. its over repubs runeth over now sorry

[Helga Scow Stern]

60. Welcome, CallBoy.

Cool site.

[Festivito]

40. High probability of vote-count tampering?

And there is very little paper to show that it is not vote tampering.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

46. Now don't let facts and numbers

get in the way of a good faith-based voting system. </sarcasm>

[ClintonTyree]

48. All Shiavo, all the time.................

the MSM will give this NO coverage, for Ste. Terri has died. Not that they'd cover it if she hadn't. The MSM has a vested interest in not disclosing this information because they were part of it.
Expect, "look, over there"...for quite some time. Even KO will give it a pass. He's spending his entire hour on Ste. Terri tonight. Like we haven't heard enough already. :eyes:
Move along citizen, there's nothing to see here. :banghead:

[ExclamationPoint]

50. Ever since election day...

I knew that Bush didn't win the candidacy. But hey, why should simply not getting many votes from the populace keep him from being the president of the most powerful nation in the world?

[Callboy]

52. wait til next term

they will be even bolder

[Javaman]

62. "Pfft, you can prove anything with facts"

Homer Simpson

[demo dutch]

65. Ok so now what happens?????

Did someone mail this link to Olberman? Does anyone out there care????

[BearsCubs]

66. Oh for Pete's sake, let it go!

More important things to worry about.

[tandem5]

68. Okay I just got off the phone with Pete...

He said he thought the report made some very convincing points and that this matter should be investigated further. I also spoke to Sam Hill and he agrees too so don't even think about it!

[MelissaB]

70. LMAO!

:toast:

:applause:

[The Backlash Cometh]

78. Well, while you worry your little head about whether the Cubs will

win a pennant, we'll just do the mundane stuff like, protect the integrity of our democracy.

[Blue_Roses]

79. "more important things"

to worry about:wtf: no doubt that we have plenty of things to worry about but if we don't get our election process cleaned up it's over for any kind of democracy ...wake up.

[intheflow]

88. You're so right!

Terry's dead! Jacko's on trial! One of the supermodels on the Next American Supermodel or whatever reality show has the flesh-eating virus!

:sarcasm: :puke:

[Warren DeMontague]

99. Yeah. More important than having our democracy hacked right out from

under us?

Like What- The Michael Fucking Jackson Trial?

[tavalon]

124. Um, if the vote is rigged and isn't fixed

it will still be rigged in 2006, 2008............

[KnowerOfLogic]

174. Yep... nt

[kster]

177. These people do not want us to let it go,"Definition"

Noun 1. PhD - an American doctorate usually based on at least 3 years graduate study and a dissertation; the highest degree awarded by a graduate school. Sorry, for now I have to take their word on it.


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*Contributors and Supporters of the Report include:

*Josh Mitteldorf*, PhD - Temple University Statistics Department

*Steven F. Freeman*, PhD - Center for Organizational Dynamics, University of Pennsylvania

*Brian Joiner*, PhD - Prof. of Statistics (ret) University of Wisconsin

*Frank Stenger*, PhD - Professor, School of Computing, University of Utah

*Richard G. Sheehan*, PhD -Professor, Department of Finance, University of Notre Dame

*Paul F. Velleman*, PhD - Associate Prof., Department of Statistical Sciences, Cornell University

*Victoria Lovegren*, PhD - Department of Mathematics, Case Western Reserve University

*Campbell** B. Read*, PhD - Prof. Emeritus, Department of Statistical Science, Southern Methodist University

*Jonathan Simon*, J.D., National Ballot Integrity Project

*Ron Baiman, *PhD* *– Institute of Government and Public Affairs, University of Illinois at Chicago

[Name removed]

74. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[tinrobot]

75. Sorry freeper...

Nice try.

[Blue_Roses]

84. yeah right...

"You guys have potential to win, just need to channel your energies to where most Americans care."


Funny thing is, I seem to recall Kerry talking about issues that Americans care about like healthcare, jobs, or lack there of...but when you have a media that doesn't cover it, it makes it hard for the public to hear. If you would have followed Kerry's campaign you would have heard him speak of these things:eyes:

[Paul Dlugokencky]

85. Can you cite a source?

tcasey, what do you base your explanation of how exit polling works on?

[The Backlash Cometh]

76. Kick it in for a Gooooooooaaaaaaaaaal!

[oxbow]

87. media blitz!

and don't stop for a week at least!

Here's somme addys to get you started:

[e-mail],[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]

[Borgnine]

89. I feel like crawling in a hole and shuddering.

No matter how many times I know this, it terrifies me about what will happen in 2006.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

90. This, along with the permanent war, is the reason for chilling prof's.

Turning the American public against 'liberal college professors' like Ward Churchill is part of the fascist occupation of the US.

All those nice polite candle-lighting liberals need to drink beer and kick some fascist ass out of our government.

[jen4clark]

91. How can we lean on E/M?

Doesn't it seem absurd that the raw data of the exit polls HAS NEVER BEEN RELEASED BY THESE THUGS???

Does anyone have any ideas of how we can make this a project where everyone starts writing to Edison?Mitosfky demanding release of this information? Imagine if one of the groups that does the "action alerts" put this up, or even if we could spread it among the threads here and other blogs? I guess we could suggest it Conyer's blog as well. The election was almost 6 months ago and they still haven't released this data?

This just makes me sick all over again...

[mom cat]

92. Hi Al. You have done a marvelous piece of work here. Thanks

so much for all that you have done to help pull this together. Momcat is purring loudly and wiggling with Joy! :yourock:

[Melissa G]

97. Hi Momcat!

Nice for there to be some fruit for our labors!:hi:

[althecat]

98. Cheers Momcat... but I can't claim any credit for this...

I just received the Press Release and posted it. :)

Nice to see you still around.... how's the cat herding going?

al

[swag]

95. Thank you. I forwarded links and excerpts to columnists whom I know

who are not only influential, but also capable of reading academic papers.

Get the word out. Local papers now. The conclusions are damning.

[sellitman]

101. Isn't this just the popular vote?

This doesn't pertain to the Electoral College vote. (Which should be scrapped BTW.

[chomskysright]

103. KICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tandem5]

104. the margin of victory for some states is smaller than...

the exit poll discrepancies for those states making it very pertinent to the electoral college.

[Time for change]

137. Yes

Exit polls had Kerry ahead in Ohio, Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada, and Florida was just about even. Giving those states to Kerry would have produced a comfortable electoral victory. The converse did not apply to any states that Kerry won.

[Peace Patriot]

149. Ohio alone would have given Kerry the Electoral College majority.

That's why the BushCons did so much blatant fraud there.

But it's the fraudulent popular vote that was the clincher, as for shutting Kerry down, and shutting down all news about any kind of election fraud anywhere, including the exit poll data. Most Americans were denied the info that Kerry won the exit polls--strong evidence of fraud. The TV networks changed the exit polls to fit the official result. But there was sufficient exit poll data and analysis shortly after the election--due to vigilant citizens who took screen shots, and Steven Freeman who got on it fast, with analysis--for a high suspicion of fraud. It wasn't widely known, though. But now we have more data, and a lot more Ph.D.'s involved in analyzing it, all of whom have confirmed Freeman's analysis--and it specifically pertains to the popular vote, now in serious question--but also does have import for the EC. Kerry probably won the EC by a much bigger margin than just Ohio.

[Time for change]

168. Kerry won the exit poll in Ohio by 4.2%

Furthermore, analysis of the exit poll data show that sampling bias actually worked in favor of Bush.

[MelissaB]

107. ******This is linked on MICHAEL MOORE!!!!!!!!

OTHER NEWS
If you thought the fight over the 2004 election was over then you might not want to read this.

http://michaelmoore.com/mustread/

[Dancing_Dave]

111. Now that's some good news I can sleep with!

Thanks Melissa, you saved me from an existential night of "troubled sleep". :)

[renate]

112. here's the article that Michael's site links to

if you want to skip the middleman, or for when his "mustread" page moves on:
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/3/emw222958.htm

US Count Votes is based in Utah! Bless their brave blue hearts!

[slay]

114. Glad to see the truth getting out

Be interesting to see if the MSM even covers this.

[dalloway]

115. has anyone seen any corporate media coverage of this? please post if/when

you do.

I need a boost. My heart is so broken. After the election,I invested so much emotional energy into following this that I finally had to back away because it just hurts so much to not see this break the surface of mainstream America's consciousness. I just DON'T GET IT.

I've been away from this forum for a few weeks. I need a boost of hope. Anyone got one for me? It's been a while since I've been on the "I believe" thread. Give me a reason to return. Tell me this report isn't screaming into emptiness. Tell me Americans care.

(edited for spelling)

[swag]

116. Blackwell's office "just laugh at it." - Akron Beacon Journal

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/11284237.htm

``The hypothesis that the voters' intent was not accurately recorded or counted... needs further investigation,'' it said.

The conclusion drew a yawn from Ohio election officials, who repeated that the discrepancy issue was settled when the polling firms Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International disavowed its polls because Kerry voters were more likely to answer exit polls -- the theory Thursday's report deemed ``implausible.''

Ohio has been at the center of a voter disenfranchisement debate since the election.

``What are you going to do except laugh at it?'' said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, who's responsible for administering Ohio's elections and is a Republican candidate for governor. ``We're not particularly interested in (the report's findings). We wish them luck, but hope they find something more interesting to do.''

The statistical analysis, though, shows that the discrepancy between polls and results was especially high in precincts that voted for Bush -- as high as a 10 percent difference.
. . .

(more LoParo : )

``These (Bush) voters have been much maligned by outside political forces who didn't like the way they voted,'' he said. ``The weather's turning nice. There are more interesting things to do than beat a dead horse.''

[Filius Nullius]

153. Akron Beacon; US Count Votes

I must commend Stephen Dyer for his excellent article in the Friday, March 31, 2005, edition of the Akron Beacon Journal. In it he reported on US Count Votes' analysis of the 2004 presidential election exit poll discrepancies that was released on Friday. Unlike most of the rest of this country's media, Mr. Dyer and his editors had the courage to report the facts objectively.

The comments of Carlo LoParo (spokesperson for Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell) quoted in Mr. Dyer's article are outrageous. How dare he and his boss adopt such a dismissive attitude toward this report! Are they public servants or GOP stooges? The burden should always be on officials responsible for counting the votes to show that it was done fairly, accurately and without any manipulation or alteration of the final tally. Mr. LoParo and Mr. Blackwell delayed efforts to obtain a recount until they were practically useless, permitted election precincts to be cherry picked for the recount (instead of randomly selected as required by Ohio law), and allowed the numbers that the recount needed to produce in order to sustain the election to be posted on the walls of rooms in which at least some of the recounts took place. Now they are attempting to blow off the efforts of nine university Ph.D.s to show what really happened in the election. Shame on them!

Just to recap, in the US Count Votes paper, nine statisticians holding PhD's from leading universities report that:

1. Kerry won the Exit Polls by 3%;
   
2. Bush reportedly won the vote count by 2.5%;
   
3. The difference between the Exit Polls and Official Results is therefore 5.5%;
   
4. Contrary to news reports, there is evidence that the Exit Polls were actually skewed to Bush, which means that Kerry's true Exit Poll margin was probably even higher than 3%;
   
5. The Exit Polls were altered after the fact late on election night to make them conform to the Official Results;
   
6. The way the Official Results vs. the Exit Polls are almost uniformly skewed to Bush is virtually impossible--the odds against it, depending on the method of calculation, range from a high of 959,000-to-1 to a low of 1,240-to-1;
   
7. There is evidence of electronic fraud at the precinct level; and
   
8. They call for a full investigation of the 2004 Election and are undertaking an investigation of their own.
   

The 5.5% discrepancy between the Exit Polls and the Actual Results represents a swing of about 6,658,780 votes out a total of 121,068,715 votes recorded for the two candidates (62,040,606 for Bush and 59,028,109 for Kerry). It amounts to over 10.73% of Bush's total votes.

I am not sure I can remember the last time something this controversial was so smelly that it compelled nine prominent PhDs from various universities to stake their reputations and careers on their findings. This is not just lunatic-fringe conspiracy stuff. Even at 1,240 to one, the odds are overwhelming (99.92%) that a horrifying crime against the nation has been committed. At 959,000 to one, it is a virtual mathematical certainty (99.9998957248%). This is about as close to the "beyond a reasonable doubt" criminal standard for conviction as one can get. Trials proceed every day where the likelihood of a defendant's guilt or innocence is far less. Criminal investigations are frequently commenced on the basis of extremely tenuous evidence that a crime has been committed.

Republicans in Congress and two special prosecutors hounded Bill Clinton mercilessly for ten years about a failed real estate deal and a sexual indiscretion (for which his wife eventually seems to have forgiven him). Upwards of $73 million were spent on the Whitewater witch hunt. The only result was a 2,200-page document produced by the Office of Investigative Counsel, which cost American taxpayers more than $33,000 per page, probably the costliest publication in human history.

"Votergate," as some call it, is a scandal that strikes at the very heart of our American democracy. If we look the other way and allow this to stand, we no longer have a democracy. It is no mere pecadillo. If the analysis of US Count Votes holds up under the inevitable Republican attempts to discredit it and smear the authors, it will become evident that over 10% of Bush's votes were stolen. This is a far more serious allegation than any made in the Watergate investigation, which resulted in the impeachment and resignation of President Nixon.

If such massive vote fraud and corruption of the electoral process happened, it is nothing less than treason. It merits at least ten times the $73 million spent on Whitewater. Congress must hold hearings, the Justice Dept. must investigate (and prosecute if the facts warrant), and/or a special prosecutor must be appointed. If the trail leads to Bush, he must be impeached, tried in the Senate and removed from office.

[WeHoldTheseTruths]

117. There is a thread on this at Kos now.

There is a thread on this at Kos now. Over 500 comments, a lot of which (by a relatively few posters), ummm... frustrate me.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/31/133143/596

I'll just give one example that I hope is illustrative, even if out of context:

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http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/3/31/133143/596/219#219
Never? (none / 0)

Never say never. {{That is a link to the Mystery Pollster}}

Turnout in 2000 was positively unremarkable, and still the exit polls were bad.

Turnout in 2004 was explosive. 10 million more voters than 4 years before. Unpredictable results.

The definition of keeping your head in the sand is denying that the GOP mobilized 60 million Americans to pull the lever for W.

by Outlandish Josh on Thu Mar 31st, 2005 at 16:00:10 PST

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Just thought I'd mention it.

(There are some good comments in the thread too. Perhaps one might want to save the thing for them, even if not feeling up up to entering the fray.)

No, I have not posted in the thread and likely won't.

[Peace Patriot]

150. "Unpredictable results"? --so says the DK thread on the 10 million new..

...voters in 2004. Not true. The Dems had a blowout success in new voter registration (Dems 57%, Repubs 41%--in the most conservative figures). There was also a big jump of Nader voters to Kerry. And when you add this up, with a conservative estimate of Gore 2000 voters for Kerry--as Steven Freeman does in his 2nd paper--you get a predicted vote of a 4 to 8 million Kerry victory.

How did the Repubs produce a Bush victory from their dismal new registration figures? Not possible.

(The numbers alone make it not possible--but when you think of what that blowout success of new voter reg means, for instance, all the Gore voters who were urging family, friends and co-workers to get registered and vote, you have a total picture of great enthusiam to oust Bush and elect Kerry. New voters don't arise from a vacuum.)

http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm
"The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," and "Hypotheses for Explaining the Exit Poll-Official Count Discrepancy in the 2004 US Presidential Election"
Article: "The Corrupted Election" (with Dr. Josh Mitteldorf)
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1970

[Don_1967]

119. SO WHAT ELSE IS NEW

anyone that did not already know this is brain dead. The election had problems from the first vote I have heard several stories about machines that when people voted for Kerry that it was recorded for bush. If this happen with one machine maybe I would think twice about it but several & all of them in battleground States!!Yet the right wing media does not find this news worthy give me a break

[hraka]

128. Miami-Dade County Election Chief Quits

http://www.comcast.net/news/national/index.jsp?cat=DOMESTIC&fn=/2005/04/01/96143.html

MIAMI - The elections chief of a key South Florida county has resigned amid revelations of voting problems in six elections.

Miami-Dade Elections Supervisor Constance Kaplan resigned Thursday.

[Peace Patriot]

151. Phantom votes for Bush in Miami-Dade...

Florida: 130,000 to 230,000 phantom votes for Bush--paper vs. electronic voting—in Florida's 3 biggest Democratic counties (Miami-Dade, Brower and Palm Beach); calls for investigation:
http://ucdata.berkeley.edu
Report issued 11/18/04, by Dr. Michael Haut, & U.C. Berkeley Quantitative Methods Research Team; Haut is a nationally-known expert on statistical methods and member of the National Academy of Sciences and the U.C. Berkeley Survey Research Center

"UC Berkeley Research Team Sounds 'Smoke Alarm' for Florida E-Vote Count
Statistical Analysis - the Sole Method for Tracking E-Voting - Shows Irregularities May Have Awarded 130,000 - 260,000 or More Excess Votes to Bush in Florida
Research Team Calls for Investigation"

Press release: http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1118-14.htm

[morffin]

121. Repug spin

These damn activist PhD’s are killing America!

[texpatriot2004]

126. Thank you AlTheCat for this report. It's the best news I have

seen here in awhile. It's not new news to DUers but it's good to know that it is out there now.

I hope and pray that the light will shine on the darkness that was perpetrated on the American public and that * and his administration, allies, etc. will be exposed for the evil, deceitful scum that they are. INJ Amen.

I hope that the whole sordid affair will come out; that it will be public, very public...and that it will disgrace those involved so badly that they will never want to show their face in public again. By the grace of God above I hope that all the facts about their stealing the election, their cheating, will be revealed to all of us and that we might be brave enough and honest enough to see it for what it is. I hope and pray that it will be revealed in such a way that it is completely obvious to the American public, so obvious that we cannot deny it.

This is the miracle I hope and pray for. I know I am not the only one.

G W Bush is now being impeached under God's grace in miraculous ways. This or something better now manifests for me in totally satisfying and harmonious ways for the highest good of all and so it is! And I do believe it's possible.

[emald]

129. this country has been stolen...

from the small people. Those without the million dollar resources. Those without the million dollar voices. There is criminal wrongdoing here that goes to the prezneck.How many voices does it take, saying that the election was a fraud, before some authority stands up and says enough? Will there be no end of this criminal and insane manipulation of our system? I fear not. I fear that it's all gone now except for the shadow of what we once were. Greed and power have corrupted this country into a thing of ugliness, thrashing and killing at will those who oppose it. The monster at the top should be in prison, for any number of offenses, the least of which is vote rigging. We continue bowing down to this ugly authority and asking for another spanking. As others here have asked, what can be done? Armed revolution? Will people actually turn away from the fat and comfortable life to get killed in some forlorn soon to be squashed revolution? I see no outrage on the streets as there was in other countries where voting was obviously rigged. I see no orange here.

[hraka]

131. That's the problem...

the "authority" are the ones who are responsible - and gained from - the fraud. Many senators anfd representatives are up for re-election in 2006. Maybe the winds of change will smell a little sweeter this time.

[Peace Patriot]

152. I will repeat it here until people begin to understand it...

"I see no outrage on the streets as there was in other countries where voting was obviously rigged." -- emald

The American people were deliberately denied critical information about election fraud here--unlike in the Ukraine. Our TV news monopolies CHANGED the exit polls (Kerry won) to fit the official result (Bush won)--they "adjusted" the data on everybody's TV screens. In the Ukraine, they had the two separate figures--exit polls vs. official result--and could plainly see that something was very wrong. Americans could not. They were lied to. They were given DOCTORED information.

Okay? THAT'S why there were no big protests here. People didn't know, and most still don't. This US Count Votes report is the first big published and publicized report informing Americans of the facts they were deprived of on 11/2/04. It will help us get the word out. That's what we have to do. That's OUR job--to spread the truth against the mountain of disinformation.

America is at the vortex of the worst bunch of criminal fascists who have ever sought world domination. We are at the heart of the darkness. Get that through your heads. THAT'S WHY they stole our votes. THAT'S WHY they lie to us and propagandize us relentlessly. We are potentially a mighty democratic force that could bring peace to world and reign in the gigantic corporate powers that are making war, destroying the planet, and exploiting and robbing people everywhere. We have the legal power--and the sovereign right--to regulate these corporations. THAT'S WHY they have put an IRON CURTAIN over the news here. That's why they CAN'T PERMIT OUR WILL TO BE EXPRESSED IN A FREE ELECTION.

Please don't be simplistic, and say that Americans don't love democracy, and don't want to be a good country. It just isn't true. And don't say we failed because we didn't react the way the Ukrainians reacted to a stolen election. The two situations were very different. We have a much, much, much more difficult set of problems to solve--including a complete blackout in the news monopolies of all election fraud information, starting way before their alteration of the exit polls on 11/2, and including how the election system was set up and who controls it (Bush political operatives and major donors).

To restore democracy here is going to take a long term, determined effort--and a full and realistic assessment of our situation.

[Filius Nullius]

162. Altered Exit Polls; News Blackout

Great post, Peace Patriot! It isn't the people's fault. We are living in a fascist plutocracy, a fact to which most Americans are completely oblivious because of the corporate media's successful engineering of a nearly total blackout of any news regarding the stolen election. The only hope for change is the Internet. If they ever succeed in shutting it down, Democrats and other liberals are toast!

[davidgmills]

185. Well said -- The problem in a nutshell

We must be the ones to get the word out because the mainstream media are accomplices to the fraud on the American people.

I believe if the populace knew, we would be in the streets.

We need the equivalent of Radio Free Europe to let the people know.

[KnowerOfLogic]

175. We will probably have a USSR style economic implosion, due to

to the relentless exploitation and slow bleeding of the working class, who generate all the wealth that the aristocracy accumulates. Eventually, america will become a virtual third world country, as our own citizens will not even be able to afford the goods and services we produce. The ruling class will become ever more brutal and totalitarian in their attempts to maintain their ill-gotten wealth and power. When it gets bad enough, the people will rise up, and there will be a revolution of sorts, but what comes after that will most likely be smaller, "balkanized" governments, which may not be a bad thing.

[MelissaB]

130. Be the media!

I sent it to Democracy Now as a story idea.

I still can't find the media blaster. Does anybody know where it is?

[MelissaB]

132. and Crooks and Liars

[Stevepol]

134. KICK!! N/T

[Botany]

136. kick N/T

:kick:

[Time for change]

139. One thing not noted in the report

But which I think is very important, is that the discrepancy between the exit polls and the official vote was much greater, as manifested by "within precinct error" (WPE) where votes were counted by machine, rather than by hand:

Paper ballot: -2.2
Mechanical voting machine: -10.6
Touch screen -7.1
Punch cards -6.6
Optical scan -6.1

[kster]

140. 1st of 7 nightly KICKS

I think we are gaing on them with this story.:woohoo:

[kster]

154. 2 of 7...............KICKS

[Filius Nullius]

163. Kicks

What in the heck are "kicks"? Does it mean a post has been "kicked upstairs" to a higher position in the page hierarchy?

[L. Coyote]

164. kicks place threads at the top of the list, kicked up. n/t. (= no/text)

[kster]

165. Yes it puts the thread at the top

Because there is so much in the media this week I didn't want this story to get buried and forgotten. The people at the DU should be proud,by keeping the election fraud story alive it has come to big stories like this.:toast:

[berniew1]

161. There's other analysis/doc. that concludes similarly & shows the reasons

http://www.flcv.com/summary.html

Florida swing estimates: http://www.flcv.com/fla04EAS.html

[Filius Nullius]

166. Florida Fraud; Sequestering the Machines; Self-Executing Code

Take a look at this if you aren't sure that fraud occurred in Florida.

Nevertheless, I doubt that sequestering the machines will do any good in the case of central tabulator programs written in Microsoft Access. The Microsoft Access command set has commands that make self-modifying code possible. That means that the malicious code can go in and do "brain surgery" on itself to eliminate all traces of its own existence after changes have been made in the vote totals and the tell-tale entries in the audit logs have been deleted.

Self-altering code is illegal in voting programs, but if someone wants to steal an election and gains access to a central tabulator prior to an election, an autorunning CD can be inserted in the CD-ROM drive with a replacement Access .mdb central tabulator program containing malicious code and a small program that automatically copies the .mdb file onto the host computer (in place of the .mdb file already on the computer).

The new .mdb file then runs during the election. At a pre-determined time after the closing of the polls, the malicious code automatically runs, tests the vote totals in the tables that contain the election results and, if the desired candidate did not win and the difference between the totals does not exceed a pre-set limit (the tampering might be too obvious if the other guy won in too large of a landslide), the votes are swapped. Then the entries in the audit log for these actions are deleted, the malicious code itself is deleted (through the use of self-modifying commands in the code), and you have just stolen an election without any possibility of detection.

[Filius Nullius]

167. Florida Fraud; Sequestering the Machines; Self-Executing Code

Sorry, I forgot to include the link re fraud in Florida. Here it is: http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html.

[beammeup]

171. Link didn't work for me (n/t). typo?

[LatePeriduct]

176. You have to take the period off the end

Your link was accidently mistyped.

http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

That's proof of fraud alright, but the executing code that does this was developed by Clint Curtis.

Real discussions and arguments have been made that this would be far too useless, and unproductive to use the Curtis code in just one state.

It would defeat the whole purpose of the flipped national totals assigned by the exit polls.

But like everyone had read here http://rigged-aggregators.blogspot.com , if there was just a little fraud in every precinct across the states.

If there was enough done by the workers to smooth out the numbers, and every one of them worked the same way then when it came to the national tabulator....

Clint Curtis's .mdb file would steal the entire election, reversing and switching the percentages. But it would be done after everyone was purged see and mis-counted.

So then if they were really serious about this, the fraud execute program is in the national press's tabulator. Its in the one the whole secret service army is barring access to.

But its saying the idea is if the program is on the national tabulator, it can't be deleted since that is a mainframe computer. They said the files have to all be logged, for every state and vote catergory and each has a timestamp which means you could trace back and find his code. That means you could find who was logged in.

[Filius Nullius]

178. Maryland Legislature Report on Hackability of Diebold Central Tabulator

Thanks for fixing the link.

I don't know who Clint Curtis is, but anyone can do this in Outlook, including programmers on the Diebold payroll or another hacker given access to the Diebold code.

When I said, "you have stolen yourself an election without any possibility of detection," I didn't mean every election in the entire country or that there is one central tabulator that controls the entire presidential election. It could be done in just key precincts in swing states by having Diebold and ES&S technicians go to the election supervisors' offices to "repair" or perform "maintenance" on the machines. The repairman boots the computer but does not run the central tabulator program. Then he inserts the CD, and it autoruns and substitutes the new program.

Check out Bev Harris's discovery in King County, Washington of missing entries in the Diebold GEMS central tabulator audit log.<1> <Footnotes with links are at the bottom of this post.> She got printouts of entries in the audit log on primary night during the fall of last year. A number of entries that are on the printout with timestamps were later deleted from the audit log. That incident is described in greater detail below.

For independent proof that the audit logs can be deleted, see the RABA Technologies report on the Diebold AccuVote TS DRE Voting System dated January 20, 2004, which was commissioned by the Dept. of Legislative Services of the Maryland General Assembly.<2> It reviewed, and extensively commented on, the previously issued report by Avi Rubin of Johns Hopkins University, et al. (commonly known as the “Rubin report” or “Johns Hopkins report”)<3> and the paper by Science Applications International Corporation (generally known as the “SAIC report”),<4> both of which had previously identified extremely serious security flaws in the Diebold AccuVote TS DRE voting machines and the GEMS central vote-tabulator program.

The Director of RABA, computer security expert Dr. Michael A. Wertheimer,<5> put together a "Red Team" of computer security experts, who were directed to attack the software and hardware in the Diebold voting system and report their results to the state. Among the RABA findings were seven vulnerabilities of the GEMS database, which begin at the bottom of page 20. Note in particular vulnerabilities 2 and 5:

• "2. Modify GEMS software and/or election database on LBE server. Given physical access to the server, one can insert a CD that will automatically upload malicious software, modify or delete elections, or reorder ballot definitions. The problem is that the server enables the 'autorun' feature. <Emphasis added.>"
  
  
• "5. Modify election database. Given either physical or remote access (see below) it is possible to modify the GEMS database. Because both the database password and audit logs are stored within the database itself it is possible to modify the contents without detection. Furthermore, system auditing is not configured to detect access to the database. <Emphasis added.>"
  

These are only two of seven serious vulnerabilities in the GEMS software. I have quoted them because they support the method of tampering that I described in my earlier post. There are also a number of serious security flaws in the software that runs the Diebold AccuVote TS DRE voting machines that DUers will want to review.

Vulnerability 2 of the RABA findings quoted above makes it clear that, if an attacker has physical access to GEMS, malicious code capable of altering election data can be implanted in the GEMS database prior to, during or after the election. Vulnerability 5 indicates that an attacker with physical or remote access to GEMS can directly alter election data during or after the election. Anyone who believes that all of today's political operatives are above this kind of crime is probably too young to remember Watergate.

This second vulnerability is apparently still in GEMS because Bev Harris has documented an erasure that occurred in the office of King County, Washington Elections Supervisor Dean Logan of at least three hours of the audit log on September 14, 2004, the night of a primary held in King County.<1> Harris obtained printouts of summary reports that were run at 10:34 p.m., 11:38 p.m., 12:11 a.m., 12:46 a.m., and 1:33 p.m. (there are actually no entries from 9:52 p.m. until 1:31 a.m.). The reason it is possible to say with complete certainty that they were run at those times is that each of the reports was signed by Elections Supervisor Dean Logan and bears the original date and time stamp showing that it was run then. Could this be the "smoking gun" for which everyone has been looking?

Diebold will tell you that it is impossible to alter the audit log. But Harris has posted a memo by Diebold chief engineer Ken Clark dated October 18, 2001,<6> in which he (i) admits that it can be done, (ii) discusses how Diebold employees might get around questions put to them about the problem by the Independent Testing Authority, Metamor (now Ciber), and (iii) says that “King County is “famous” for it. ”

Diebold representatives will blithely state that their software is secure because it employs password protection. However, Harris found that the user name was often simply the default user ID, "Admin," and that the standard password was "1111." In other cases, passwords were frequently something obvious, such as the name of the county using a particular software build. Diebold also made user ID and password information readily available in downloadable manuals and other documents that it posted on its FTP site. In some cases this information was also available in the developer's comments within the downloadable source code on the FTP site.

With all due respect to the D.N.C. and our elected Democratic leadership in Washington, they do not seem to have a firm grasp of how hard it is to make computers secure and how easy it is for a competent Microsoft Access programmer to alter data and make changes to an Access application (such as GEMS), I urge them to speak with experts who can make these matters more readilly understandable.

Hopefully, they will do so immediately, or it will soon be too late! After the Republicans use their ability to control election outcomes to fix the 2006 midterm elections and obtain a 60% majority in the Senate, Democrats will no longer be able to filibuster, and all meaningful opposition to the majority will be over.

Back to your message. Are you saying is that, in addition to the timestamps on entries in the audit log (which we know can be deleted), there are timestamps on every field in the data tables, which makes it possible to see when the vote totals last changed and who was logged in at the time?

_______________________________________

<1> See http://www2.whoseflorida.com/newswire/display/1437 . The link to blackboxvoting.org (Bev Harris's organization) on this page no longer works. A lawsuit appears to have been filed regarding this incident, and the material on BBV regarding this seems to have been moved or deleted. If there actually is a lawsuit, it may have had something to do with this, or the material may just have been moved somewhere else during the reorganization of the BBV site, which occurred a few months ago. Searching for "Logan" on the blackboxvoting.org site turned up this page, which summarizes the incident: <http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/2369.html>. It contains a link to a video of the Dean Logan incident: <http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/DeanLogan.mov>. There is another reference on this page: <http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/1960.html>. I am glad that this material is still available, but I find it troubling that the original postings on the BBV site seem to have been removed. If anyone has any information about this, I would appreciate their posting it here.

<2> Wertheimer, et al., RABA Innovative Solution Cell (RiSC), RABA Technologies LLC, Trusted Agent Report, Diebold AccuVote TS Voting System. Dept. of Legislative Services, Maryland General Assembly. January 20, 2004. <http://www.raba.com/press/TA_Report_AccuVote.pdf>, last accessed Nov. 15, 2004.

<3> Kohno, T., Stubblefield, A., Rubin, A., Wallach, D., Analysis of an Electronic Voting System. February 27, 2004. <http://avirubin.com/vote/analysis/index.html>, last accessed Nov. 15, 2004. This paper previously appeared as IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy 2004. IEEE Computer Society Press, May 2004, and Johns Hopkins University Information Security Institute Technical Report TR-2003-19, July 23, 2003.

<4> Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), Risk Assessment Report, Diebold AccuVote-TS Voting System and Processes, September 2, 2003. Prepared for Department of Budget and Management, Office of Information Technology, State of Maryland. <http://www.dbm.maryland.gov/dbm_publishing/public_content/dbm_search/technology/toc_voting_system_report/votingsystemreportfinal.pdf >, last accessed Nov. 15, 2004. SAIC encapsulated its opinion of the soundness of the system in the Findings and Recommendations portion of the Executive Summary: “The system, as implemented in policy, procedure, and technology, is at high risk of compro-mise.” SAIC Report, Exec. Sum., p. iv.

<5> Dr. Michael A. Wertheimer, Director of RABA Technologies LLC, 8830 Stanford Blvd., Suite 205, Columbia, MD 21045 (Web: <http://www.raba.com/>; telephone: [phone]).

<6> See <http://www.equalccw.com/smokinggun.pdf>. There are numerous copies of this on the Internet. Some pages do not open correctly on the first try and may have to be refreshed. To find other copies, search in Google or another search engine for “alteration of audit log in Access.”

[LatePeriduct]

182. That's what they told me.

You summed it up in way better words than I know how to.

"Are you saying is that, in addition to the timestamps on entries in the audit log (which we know can be deleted), there are timestamps on every field in the data tables, which makes it possible to see when the vote totals last changed and who was logged in at the time?"

Yes, they said this could be the case in every part of the central tabulator file. They said that the central aggregator which is controlling the voter registries and direct feeding to this master computer, has login times, dates, and entries of all access that was done.

This is because they claim that, the tabulator itself is connected to a network on the national level which will broadcast and show results online and automated through the BOE. All media personnel had access to this during the blackout Nov. 2 2004.

It means that Clint Curtis fraud program was likely used in the 2004 elections which you can read the history of on www.bradblog.com

It doesn't tell us in what capacity, but they're saying it would make more legitimate sense if it was used in the main central computer. Because 'mistakes' on the state level are not easy to cover up, they had to have altered things on the national level. But nobody seems to be focusing on that central computer.

[kster]

170. 3 of 7 ............... KICKS ......... N/T

[Stevepol]

179. Kick! n/t

[SpaceBuddy008]

180. good commentary @ CannonFire & NewsClipAutopsy

http://www.cannonfire.blogspot.com/

http://newsclipautopsy.blogspot.com/2005/04/truth-left-out-data-indicates-massive.html

something to think about Operation Fallulah Getaway car for GrandTheftElection...

21st c. Horror ! most SHocking & AwFull DUthread in Quite a While!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1643158



I cannot be silent....,



Man at war with himself, Terrorizes, Tortures and Torches all
... living...Sacred Nature in Fallulah.

The capacity of man's inhumanity to man...knows no bounds.

This is a deep, deep wound, transgression upon the Human Family and The WorldSoul.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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BAIT REFUSED

In the wake of the sorry events of 2000, only a fool would not have expected an election-stealing repeat attempt in 2004. When the Bush administration began preparing an assault on Fallujah timed to begin within days of the November '04 vote, the motive was transparent.

If Kerry took the bait, he would be pilloried for undermining the commander-in-chief with the nation at war, by daring to question the election outcome. Not to mention leaving the United States vulnerable to an opportunistic attack by an Al-Queda leadership keen to exploit division in its imperial enemy.

Not taking the bait was a no-brainer. But first, no matter what the cost, Kerry supporters would have to be dissuaded from swallowing bait that the leadership knew bore only the taste of defeat.

And so, John Edwards strolled out to reassure supporters and launch the cover story about counting every vote. But Kerry would have to halt his supporters by quickly killing off the questions about the result -before they could begin. Kerry would choose his own timing. That's why the quick preemptive concession.

At the same time, John Kerry nailed the "sore loser" angle, and nailed it good. He was a paragon of graciousness. It was a faultless, if slightly incredible performance. Something jarred about it. Even grassroots Republicans sensed that, but never pondered the motive.

Before long, with the Internet in full stolen election mode, Kerry was mending fences with his activist supporters by means of his calculatedly ambiguous "whatever the outcome of this election" statement. Less noticed was Edwards similar gambit. A resounding "This fight's not over... because I'm not finished with this fight" rallying cry to his home state supporters

TEFLON KERRY:
MORE SLICK MOVES ON
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION FRAUD

http://www.BreakForNews.com/articles/TeflonKerry.htm

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John Kerry realized that to launch a public campaign calling the vote into question would be disastrous. In fact, he likely realized he would we walking right into a Bush-set booby trap.

In particular, during our election coverage we talked about the pending battle of Fallujah, about the timing of it being an election ploy, about how it was following in the constant Bush pattern of creating a media event to sway the election, as he did last time by making the run up to the Iraq invasion come to a head exactly on election week.

Well, the battle in Fallujah began hitting the media hard in the week before the election, right on cue. Of course it was billed as the solution, the battle that – if you just keep Bush in office – will wipe out those insurgents and solve the problems over there. This was yet another obvious use of our nation’s troops by President Bush as if they were campaign volunteers rather than non-partisan volunteers to defend our nation.

But Fallujah, it turns out, seems to be even more than that. Fallujah, in effect, was the get away car for an election heist.

Following the fiasco in Florida in 2000, Gore was able to battle on for 30 days to try and get a fair accounting. All the while, the Bush camp claimed he should just stop and give up because his delaying of what they were saying was the inevitable end was threatening the nation’s security and stability. They said the stock market was suffering, the nation was unstable, and so Gore should just give up and accept the result as is.

This time, John Kerry had made clear he was prepared to fight 100 times as hard and long as Gore did if necessary. In fact, he had solicited fund just for that eventuality so he could battle all over the nation if necessary to ensure that every vote was properly counted.

Enter Fallujah. As we know – and saw on election night, as Bush’s people began calling Networks and demanding they call Ohio for their camp – the Bush team’s strategy was to try and force all questions to be closed ASAP. Last time, they weren’t prepared for that part. This time, they were.

Picture if John Kerry had chosen to call the election into question. Immediately, the Bush camp would talk about how 50,000 of our troops are just about to launch the biggest military operation since the invasion of Baghdad. And, just a couple of days after the election, it was launched.

You can imagine the arguments from the Bushies: “How could Senator Kerry undermine our security while our troops are in the midst of battle.” Fallujah was to be the pressure point that would, if not stop Kerry from uncovering all the dirt and getting a fair election count, would at least tarnish his name with much of the nation and, as importantly, create something for the right-wing dominated media to hammer away at him on, making it seem as if he is only caring about himself and not the nation.

It was quite a well-crafted plan. Completely amoral, but smart.

Unfortunately for them, John Kerry was smarter.

As Keith Olbermann of MSNBC, who has been about the only mainstream journalist to actually follow up on the many serious problems with regard to the integrity of the election, has pointed out, a concession speech, in effect, means nothing. It is not legally binding.

So, if you were thinking like a Bush goon, you would expect that either Kerry would stand up to the mischief that went on, not conceding in the meantime, and so your booby trap would work perfectly, or that he would just give up and let it go, as wimpy Democrats are prone to do.

But John Kerry chose a smarter course. Ask yourself the question, what if John Kerry were to do both, concede publicly but, at the same time, look into every instance of mischief, and see if in fact the election was fair or fixed.

This would be a no lose situation for him. The booby trap set up for him would become irrelevant, as he would have done the right thing for the nation, not putting it into turmoil while its troops are in battle.

INSIDE THE ELECTION FRAUD BATTLE

Think Kerry Is Not Involved In This Fight? Think Again. Also: Fallujah = Operation Distract From Fixed Election.

by Betsy R. Vasquez

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm

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