US Count Votes: big report to be released tomorrow!

[Peace Patriot]

Just got this from Kathy Dopp via email. Sorry if it's a duplicate. Posting it as is. Got to run.
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Scientific Analysis Suggests Presidential Vote Counts

May Have Been Altered

Study Will Be Released Tomorrow March 31st

/Group of University Professors Urges Investigation of 2004 Election/

Officially, President Bush won November's election by 2.5%, yet exit
polls showed Kerry winning by 3%<1> <#_ftn1>. According to a report to
be released March 31^st by a group of university statisticians, the odds
of a discrepancy this large between the national exit poll and election
results happening by accident are close to 1 in a million.

In other words, by random chance alone, it could not have happened. But
it did.

Two alternatives remain. Either something was wrong with the exit
polling, or something was wrong with the vote count.

Exit polls have a long history of exceptional accuracy in past decades
in the US, in the Ukraine, in Latin America, in Germany, and elsewhere.
Yet in November 2004, the discrepancy was more than five times this (and
similar to that of the invalid Ukraine election.<2> <#_ftn2>)

In a recent survey of US members of the world's oldest and largest
computer society, The Association for Computing Machinery, 95% opposed
software driven un-auditable voting machines<3> <#_ftn3>, of the type
that now count at least 30% of U.S. votes. The vast majority of today's
electronic vote-counting machines are not built with basic safeguards
that would prevent and detect machine or human caused errors, be they
innocent or deliberate.<4> <#_ftn4>

The consortium that conducted the presidential exit polls,
Edison/Mitofsky, issued a report in January suggesting that the
discrepancy between election results and exit polls occurred because
Bush voters were more reticent than Kerry voters in response to pollsters.

The authors of this scientific study of the National Election Data
Archive Project, consider that scenario highly unlikely, based on
extensive analysis of the election data presented in their report “Final
Study of the 2004 Presidential Election Poll Discrepancies”. They
conclude, /“The required pattern of exit poll participation by Kerry and
Bush voters to satisfy the exit poll data defies empirical experience
and common sense under any assumed scenario.”/

An executive summary of the report by Josh Mitteldorf of Temple
University has been released today and is available at:
http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_summary.pdf. The
full 25 page scientific report will be released tomorrow. This group's
preliminary study on the exit poll discrepancies was not refuted by any
PhD statistician in America, and we expect our final study to be
similarly received in the academic community.

Amidst the data, many extremely unlikely anomalies exist, invariably in
President Bush’s favor. For one, a state-by-state analysis of the
discrepancy between exit polls and official election results shows
highly improbable skewing of the election results biased towards the
president.

We have had election fraud in this country before. November's wildly
inaccurate presidential exit polls should warrant concern of the highest
order by every American citizen.

The report acknowledges that the possibility of fraud in our vote
counting system is the most serious issue any democracy can face. If
there is any chance that vote counts have been electronically
manipulated, it is imperative that the people of the United States know
the truth.

The report concludes, “/We believe that the absence of any
statistically-plausible explanation for the discrepancy between
Edison/Mitofsky’s exit poll data and the official presidential vote
tally is an unanswered question of vital national importance that needs
thorough investigation./”

US Count Votes is seeking financial support for its "National Election
Data Archive" project in order to collect detailed election data and,
prior to November 2006, to develop statistical methods to audit
elections results data and provide statistical evidence of vote
tabulation errors immediately following any US election.

*Contributors and Supporters of the Report include:*

*Josh Mitteldorf*, PhD - Temple University Statistics Department

*Steven F. Freeman*, PhD - Center for Organizational Dynamics,
University of Pennsylvania

*Brian Joiner*, PhD - Prof. of Statistics (ret) University of Wisconsin

*Frank Stenger*, PhD - Professor, School of Computing, University of Utah

*Richard G. Sheehan*, PhD -Professor, Department of Finance, University
of Notre Dame

*Paul F. Velleman*, PhD - Associate Prof., Department of Statistical
Sciences, Cornell University

*Victoria Lovegren*, PhD - Department of Mathematics, Case Western
Reserve University

*Campbell** B. Read*, PhD - Prof. Emeritus, Department of Statistical
Science, Southern Methodist University

*Jonathan Simon*, J.D., National Ballot Integrity Project

*Ron Paul Baiman, *PhD* *– Institute of Government and Public Affairs,
University of Illinois at Chicago

*About US Count Votes*

US Count Votes is a Utah non-profit corporation. It is the sponsor of
the National Election Data Archive project and of research to
scientifically analyze the accuracy of vote counting in the United
States. Its goal is to provide nationwide, impartial statistical
auditing services to help ensure the accuracy of future elections.

For further information: contact Bruce O’Dell, Vice President, US Count
Votes

Email: [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>

612-309-1330

or visit www.electionarchive.org


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<1> <#_ftnref1> "Evaluation of Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004"
prepared by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for the
National Election Pool (NEP) Jan. 19, 2005

<2> <#_ftnref2> In the November 21 runoff, Ukraine's official vote count
had Prime Minister Yanukovych the winner by 2.7%. Two exit polls showed
him losing by 8% and 2%, respectively. Thus, the discrepancy was between
10.7% and 4.7%. In the US, the discrepancy was between 6.5% and 5.5%.
See http://www.templetonthorp.com/ru/news808 and
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2669&category_id=44.

<3> <#_ftnref3> www.acm.org/usacm/weblog/index.php?p=73

<4> <#_ftnref4>
http://uscountvotes.net/voting_machines/Best_Practices_US.pdf

[EVDebs]

1. Media's ongoing participation in Operation Mockingbird prevents

full public knowledge or publication of this important information. It also begs further investigations into "CNN and PsyOps" as reported since the 2000 election.

"(Eason) Jordan was full of indignation that I had somehow compromised the reputation of CNN. But in the course of our conversation it turned out that yes, CNN had hosted a total of five interns from US army psy-ops, two in television, two in radio and one in satellite operations. Jordan said the program had only recently terminated, I would guess at about the time CNN's higher management read Abe de Vries's stories."

from
March 26, 2000 'CNN AND PSYOPS'
By Alexander Cockburn

www.counterpunch.org/cnnpsyops.html

Who knows what PsyOps was doing during the election and now during wartime in terms of 'cooperative efforts' and if those efforts involved payments.

[toymachines]

2. so there is the possibility that our discrepancy was higher than ukraine

interesting. this report really needs to be read by everyone. This is pretty valid truth that Bush does not deserve to be in office right now. There was FRAUD in the vote. No learned man in the US can dispute that, at least it seems that way. dam. what assholes those neocons are.

[smoogatz]

3. Nominated n/t

[TruthIsAll]

4. Do they cite the obvious FINAL EXIT POLL "How voted 2000" fix?

The IMPOSSIBLE 43/37% WEIGHTS?

[bleever]

10. I didn't see that in the executive summary.

[Blue Shark]

5. Seems as though our cries in the wilderness...

...are starting to echo.

...If only John Useless Kerry had stuck around we would have been rid of BushCo like a bad hangover!

[politicasista]

7. You just had to throw that personal attack in there did you

Get over the primaries. :mad:

[Blue Shark]

27. I absolutely did...

...JFK II won and walked away after promising to fight for every vote. His ill-advised decision to resign gave us another rigged election and another illegal term for BushCo. It is at his feet, and by his hand that this stinking, sorry excuse for a government is still in power. What was the big fucking hurry? Some would say he had "sour grapes?" Pahleeze.

...All in all if he couldn't handle beating the WORST.PRESIDENT.EVER after receiving more votes by far...how can we have counted on him beating our enemies abroad? Really? What a Rube.

[Peace Patriot]

32. It's quite useless to blame Kerry. We really must get past putting all...

...the blame on that one person. And I don't agree that, if Kerry had not conceded, and had fought this fraudulent election in Congress, that Bush would have been ousted and Kerry would be president today. This BushCon Congress would not have backed Kerry, no matter what evidence was presented. As I've said before, if Kerry had taken photos of Rove and Bush hacking the computers into Congress (ok, maybe Rove and Cheney), it would not have made any difference. These fascists in Congress are not into fairness and justice. Don't you get it? They DIDN'T WANT a fair election. They SET IT UP that way. They STOPPED the paper trail provision of HAVA. They PERMITTED private, Bush "Pioneer" voting machines companies to gain control of the election system, and to tabulate the votes with SECRET, PROPRIETARY software ON PURPOSE. Many of them are in office AS THE RESULT of fraudulent elections.

And you think they would have listened, and deliberated, and judged the election fraudulent, and sent Bush packing? Come on.

Maybe that weighed into Kerry's decision--that he knew Congress was packed with BushCons. I don't know. But it is a fact. And the only thing that might--and I stress MIGHT--have changed the dynamics would have been, say, a million people thronging to DC to protest. But guess what? The TV NETWORKS had CHANGED the exit poll data on everybody's TV screens on election day--altered it, to fit the official result (coming from the secret, proprietary software in the Republican-owned electronic vote tabulators), so that Americans DIDN'T KNOW that Kerry won the exit polls. That killed the protests, right there. Nobody knew.

And following that, the TV networks and the entire news monopoly press, conspired to send the reports coming from Ohio into a black hole. Nobody knew that either.

In my fantasy, I saw all the Democratic Party leaders rising up--assembling in DC, calling a press conference, speaking to the public, crying foul on the election, and ASKING people to come to DC to protest, and to achieve justice.

I would have loved to see that, too. And I mourn that fantasy that never came true. And I've learned quite a lot from it. Among the things I've learned are, 1) that we have incredible problems--far beyond anything I would have guessed--within the Democratic Party leadership itself; and 2) the Bush Cartel is a fascist coup in every sense of that phrase--extremely dangerous, poisonous, ruthless, lethal, and without a shred of conscience--and should not be underestimated. (I'm thinking in particular of the impact of fear on Democratic office holders--and also corruption--the Bush Cartel corrupts everything it touches.)

If we get stuck on a fantasy of Kerry as White Knight, saving our democracy--or the Democratic leaders doing so--we will miss the essence of what we, as a people, have to do. And we will simply sink into bitterness and disappointment.

What we have to do is BECOME our democracy--each one of us, and all of us collectively. And that is not something that one leader, or group of leaders, can do.

Forget him, or them, saving us--and start thinking of US saving US. WE are the heroes, each in our own way, and together as a people.

[BillyDoc]

35. Something we CAN do

Peace Patriot, you are so right. And until the Sheeple learn this, we are truly beyond hope. And I include most DUers in that Sheeple moniker, all the whiners and complainers who should be DOers because they damn sure know better, who persist in their whining and waiting for someone else to do the dirty work. I have a nasty little essay I wrote especially for them at: http://breakthelink.org/The%20reason%20why.php.

But enough of my own whining.

There are two things we could and should be doing right now, either collectively or individually.

First and foremost we have to retake our electoral process. NOBODY is going to do this for us, we have to do it ourselves. Waiting for our politicians to help is simply a waste of time because THEY CAN'T DO IT! The ones who try will get some anthrax in the mail or meet with an unfortunate accident . . . and they have intentionally been made well aware of this fact. Would YOU risk your life for a bunch of whiney Americans who can't be bothered enough about their democracy to get up off the sofa? Personally, I think I must be crazy to care at all given the bunch of assholes I live with. Then I remember that they are so manipulated by their churchs and their TVs that they really don't have much of a chance. Anyway, if you want my take on the absolute minimum of what must be done to regain democracy in this country check out: http://electionfraudbounty.org/Two%20simple%20election%20plans.php. Surely there is someone out there with the talent and experience to write the necessary software for these plans.

Next we must get the corporations out of our government. When a corporate CEO authorizes a payment ("contribution")to any politician he is doing one of two things under current law: he is in violation of his fiduciary responsibilities to his stockholders (Ford v. Dodge Bros) OR he has a reasonable and arguable expectation of a return on this investment for the stockholders. If the latter, the only return possible is favorable legislation . . . and that, boys and girls, makes that "contribution" a bribe.

So let's start calling it what it is: a bribe. And let's attack the problem right there at its root. At BreakTheLink.org we are doing this by promoting citizen's initiatives agains bribery in those states that allow citizens initiatives AND ALSO THOSE THAT DON'T! Because a true citizen's initiative doesn't need any legislature for approval of that initiative, we just do it. Gather up the signatures in a formal, organized way, and present them to the legislature for action. And if they refuse to act, take to the streets until they do!

Both of these things are very possible to do, if we can get past that inherent wimpyness that seems to prevail among Americans. We have citizens quite willing to attack a machine gun nest who tremble in fear at the thought of insulting their own "elected" representatives . . . and that wimpyness is going to get us all killed. Quite literally as things currently seem to be going.

[Blue Shark]

38. Sixty Million very ANGRY Americans...

...is a whole different picture than sixty million subdued, disappointed Americans.

...John F. Kerry's (and our) fight for the presicency really started on November 3rd not decades earlier and he didn't show up. It is IMPORTANT that we adequately analyize our candidate's actions. If you win the prize but don't bring it home, you are indeed, a failure. John Kerry allegedly had ten thousand lawyers-watching, michael Moore-filming, GOTV volunteer-witnessing people watching him get screwed. Had he fought for us and HIS OWN WIN after November second...I fucking gaurentee half the US population would have marched in the streets with him. Look at the Ukraine. I guess they value their democracy more than we value ours.

...When John Kerry abandoned his promise to "Count every vote and see that every vote is counted" he doomed this country to way more than just four more years of destruction by a dry drunk and his talentless boobs. He ALLOWED the people who control the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and a whole lot of the judiciary and the MEDIA to ignore the problem of election fraud. I have some news for all reading this...THEY will NOT fix what is not broken.

...The biggest mistake in the 2004 general election was that our candidate was not prepared for the eminently foreseeable outcome.

...We changed from a teetering Democracy in 2004 to a Facsist State. This is a sea change of monumental proportions that will take the American Public years to fathom...and then it is already...too late.

...That is why I have "issues" with John Kerry, the good, heroic, intelligent, public-serving, candiate we chose to deliver us from evil.

[mod mom]

39. It wasn't just Kerry + the dems, where were the progressives like

MoveOn, True Majority, ACT? They were all silent when we could have mobilized the masses. We helped them build their data bases, funded them but when we needed their help...nothing but silence. I still can not give them a dime, I am so angry with them. It wasn't like it came as a complete surprise.

[Blue Shark]

44. Once Again...

...I think all those groups would have been very vocal and mobilized demonstrations etc...BUT our guy quit, and his lawyers kept saying they did NOT question the legitimacy of the win for Bush.

...Asinine Fuckheads! Why would anybody fight for them after that?

[Goldeneye]

14. just like gore?

If it were that easy...Gore would have been president in 2000.

[Blue Shark]

26. Al Gore....

...made a crucial mistake that allowed the SCOTUS to rule against him in Bush V Gore...and that was a selected recount of some counties he thought would hold democratic majorities. Had he requested the whole state of Florida be recounted, the SCOTUS would have had a harder time in denying the right to have every vote recounted and Gore would have prevailed. The report of just such a senario was carried out by a congressional commitee and issued on 9/12 2001. Do you think it might have gotten lost in the static?

[BillyDoc]

6. Fight, fight, fight, and don't stop fighting!

Two Simple Plans to Combat Electronic Voting Machine "Glitches" and Fraud

http://electionfraudbounty.org/Two%20simple%20election%20plans.php

[understandinglife]

8. Nominated. Keep it kicked. (nt)

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[emlev]

9. Kicking this one--let the dupes fall off the page n/t

[bleever]

11. Nominated and kicked. n/t

[Helga Scow Stern]

12. I am happy to see that my $10/month

is being put to excellent use!

[Hatalles]

13. Rec'd and Kicked.

[bloom]

15. Some places it will probably make Friday's news.

(April Fools Day)


I hope people take it seriously.

[Sancho]

16. Wonderful, wonderful...

I'm a social science statistician. I've written a number of reports under contract for various government agencies. I've sent several posts intended to address "TruthIsAll"' analyses that are good, but lack the specificity to have confidence that the polls showed election fraud.

My contention has been all along TWO things:
1). That we need the detailed poll data
2.) That NOT releasing the data is a clear indication that the pollsters ALREADY KNOW that fraud occurred

I stand my my conclusion - and I think it will ultimately be determined that someone hacked the election - especially in Florida and Ohio.

[Quakerfriend]

17. thx for offering your professional opinion, Sancho

As a research scientist for the NIH, I fully concur with you.

Nothing stands up without the raw data!

[Hissyspit]

30. Welcome to DU! n/t

[Spiffarino]

18. Like a bulldog on a salami

...we must not let it go.

Nominated!

[Melissa G]

19. Kicking this thread! the info is coming out and the RNC will be busy

squirming and spinning...where's the popcorn?

[FreedomAngel82]

28. Kick

What will happen once the info comes out? Should be interesting. The recent rightwing group that came out lately is a big clue to me. I'm glad they got sought out though.

[Spiffarino]

20. Emailed the PDF link to Olbermann

Here's hoping he gives it some air time.

[Melissa G]

21. Way to go Spifffarino! n/t

[tommcintyre]

22. It's all coming out, isn't it? n/t

[bettyellen]

23. .

[jmatthan]

24. Everyone with half a brain knows this already

but when are "the majority" going to take back their government like the Ukrainians, etc?

I think that liberal Americans are sofa-bound and theorists - incapable of action. That is why all the outsourcing etc. of key jobs is happening.

It is nice to blame somebody else - like the media, Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller, etc., when the real problem is in the inactive nature of the majority of liberals!!

You have great liberal media guys in the Talk Show field as well in the journalism field, but they are writing to an inactive set of hobos.

I don't think most of the Democrats, Senators or Congressmen, or even the most active DemocraticUndergrounders are going to do anything about this but feel greatly pleased with themselves that they "won" the election, just as they "won" the 2000 election!!

America is a country of political inaction by the liberals!! So the Daily Mirror headline of 4th November 2004 does not apply only to those who voted for Bush but the bulk of the Democrats as well.


Jacob Matthan
http://jmpolitics.blogspot.com
Oulu, Finland

[Rocky Top]

25. Nominated and kicked.

[Helga Scow Stern]

29. Is that so.....? n/t

[Peace Patriot]

31. Jacob, it's my impression that most DUers, in the 2004 Election Forum...

...anyway, have been very active before and during the election and to this day. We have organized many actions here at DU, have publicized protests, election fraud gatherings, films, articles, and relevant news shows, we've organized and implemented a number of public pressure campaigns and media campaigns, we've been very active in supporting the few brave politicians who have stood up on this issue (Conyers, Boxer, etc.), we've provided a meeting place for activists to figure things out (for instance, vetting the various election reform bills in Congress and in the states), and have done tremendous work on gathering and analyzing information, and informing people.

It is very inaccurate to say that "even the most active DUers" are not going to do anything about this. We already have done a tremendous amount of work--and continue to do so.

And to say that we "feel greatly pleased with" ourselves is also very inaccurate. The people I work with here at DU are driving themselves to ill health, wrecking their family and social lives, and expending all their resources, in an all out effort to save our democracy. "Pleased with ourselves"? Hardly. We can't do enough! We have to caution each other to take a break once in awhile.

It's a RELIEF to know that we won--but it's hardly pleasing to know that our democracy is near death. "Pleasing" is not the word that I would choose. Horrified, maybe.

And, lastly, I think you are unfairly denigrating the fabulous democracy movement that elected John Kerry as president. I have never seen such political dedication in this country--and I go way back, to the '60s antiwar and civil rights movements.

You can dis Democratic Senators and Congressmen all you want to. I would mostly agree with you. (And I would add California Democratic state legislators into the bargain after what they've done--or didn't do--these last few weeks, with the loss of our vigilant Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, and the installation of a Schwarzenegger appointee.) But you are wrong about the rank and file and the grass roots! They won this election! And THEN found out just how malfeasant their Democratic Party leaders have been, in permitting an egregiously fraudulent election SYSTEM to be put into place for this election.

And I don't understand your thing against "liberals." The failures of our political system have nothing to do with "liberal" policies or people. "Liberal" to me means open-minded, fair, tolerant, and generous. What's wrong with that? And what's wrong with people who espouse those things?

What are you saying? That they're not communists or revolutionaries? That they're not calling for bloodshed or riots, or other self-defeating actions?

In my experience, there are both active and passive "liberals" (people who are open-minded, fair, tolerant and generous). I know an artist, for instance, who has liberal views, but she is not suited to political action. She does art. Does that make her blameworthy, in your estimation?

And, on the other hand, I know "liberals" who are very active politically--on human rights issues, on the environment, in the anti-war movement.

I just don't get what you're saying. And I think that you are the one who is trying to blame someone else--by scapegoating both DUers and "liberals."

We are facing a fascist coup, here in the U.S. It is not easy to deal with. It is horrifying and exhausting. And this negative rant you have thrown at us is no help at all.

[jmatthan]

33. My apologies

for coming across so strongly against liberals and DUers.

The reason I do is that the Americans have to get their country back (for the good of this world) and the way they are doing it now is certainly not going to succeed. For instance the recent debate between Will and Larry on Air America about troop withdrawal from Iraq is just one example of a lack of clear thinking. And so long as that lack of clear thinking exists,you are the losers.

The only way is direct action as all other sensible conciliatory methods are not going to work with this gang of bandits.

You have to generate a Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela in your midst (and not necessarily someone who looks good on TV). If not, first the Iraqis are doomed, then the Iranians and Syrians, but finally it will be you when the Chinese call in their notes.

The absolute stupidity of selling F-16s to Pakistan with a bunch of lies to support that sale shows what we in the world are up against with the American warmongers in power. Another is the appointments of Bolton, Wolfowitz, Negroponte, Gonzales, Rice, etc.

And the Democrats sit back and support this public rape!!!!!!!!

I laud the efforts of some like Barbara Boxer and Cynthia Mackinney, John Conyers Jr and even Dennis Kucinich, but I certainly do not accept the actions of Democrat Senators as Barrack Obama, Joe Biden of "I like you" fame or even Bob Graham who gave Porter Goss a clean chit to get to be the head of CIA!!

And John Kerry and John Edwards are total washouts. They should both be thrown out of the Democratic party.

If, as you say, their base was strong, then the base should have turned out in force to claim the elections. In fact the base WAS NOT STRONG!!! It was narrow and not organised. It was isolated from the leadership.

If you want action, then follow the money or let the money to those you oppose and do not do your bidding DRY UP.

They will then come around quick.

I keep hearing that the Media must do this or that. The DU Forum is one of the best media around and I use it several times a day, but how many outside of the 60000 members are reading the great stuff written here.

You do not have a credible action plan to protest. A disorganised methodolgy is not a methodology to success. And overwork in a disorganised way is also not going to yield any success. I can work 24 hours a day and still be at the starting point, exhausted. That is not "work".

I am seeing some signs of life in Howard Dean's tactics but the base behind him seems to be sleeping.

Jacob Matthan
http://jmpolitics.blogspot.com
Oulu, Finland

[Peace Patriot]

42. It has been only six months since the election. It took a full year for..

...the truth about Iraq WMDs to become generally known, and how did this truth get known--to the point now that virtually everyone accepts that this justification for invading Iraq was completely without foundation?

John Kerry didn't tell anyone. Terry McLuife didn't shout it from the rooftops. The news monopolies didn't dismantle these lies--they in fact promoted them. Local congress critters didn't cry foul. The Bush Cartel certainly didn't disclose it. And even a major progressive and anti-Bush spokesperson like Michael Moore did not dwell on the baldfaced lies that Bush, Cheney, Rice and Colin Powell told about invading Iraq. I don't even recall Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich making a big point about it.

It got known from the bottom up, and from the outside in: A slow, steady, relentless investigation into the facts mostly in alternative media, promulgated mostly by word of mouth (including of course the internet). And, while this was happening, the New York Times--purportedly the nation's newspaper of record--was doing everything in its power to sell these lies to the American people.

And still, the truth got known, and not just known--known by everyone. Eventually key players got involved--for instance, Joseph Wilson. Also, in the course of alternative investigation and word of mouth, Scott Ritter's information, and that of the UN weapons inspectors, eventually got recognized and accepted. I also think at least one key player got taken down, but not before he stopped a plot to plant WMDs in Iraq--British weapons inspector David Kelly, whose assassination got covered up and disguised as a suicide--a guess on my part, but the facts sure point that way. At the very least, Kelly exposed how the Blair govenment was cooking the books on Iraq WMDs. The upshot: no WMDs were found in Iraq, because they didn't have any. It was all hot air and lies.

These are the conditions that we are living in, and trying to function in: A near complete blackout in all of the news monopoly outlets on a long list of the most fundamental truths about the Bush Cartel and its activities:

How is it possible that our nation's capitol had no air cover on 9/11? That not even the Pentagon had air cover? Not possible without foul play. Where is/was the news investigation of this? Where are/were journalists' questions about it? Nowhere. This is just incredible.

Same for the flight of the bin Laden family out of the country just after 9/11? And Bush's coziness with Prince Bandar. And the gas pipeline in Afghanistan. And Cheney's "energy task force" meeting (their pouring over the oil maps of Iraq back in spring 2001, prior to 9/11). And the disappearance of billions and billions of American taxpayer dollars in the Iraq pigsty. And on and on. MAJOR STORIES. Virtually no investigation or coverage.

People looking at the US from the outside--for instance, you, Jacob, in Finland--have no idea what it is like to live under this IRON CURTAIN of disinformation.

How to organize against it?
How to inform people?
What to do about it?
How to get our democracy back?

These are very, very difficult problems. And you can't just blame and dismiss Americans for being uninformed--and consequently, depressed, confused, brainwashed, inactive and feeling helpless. It takes a tremendous act of intellect and courage to OVERCOME the relentless propaganda that people are subjected to, here.

And, by God, 60 to 70 million Americans--the majority of voters--DID OVERCOME that propaganda, and DID show great intellect and courage, by voting to oust the Bush Cartel on November 2, 2004. They came out in droves to oust them! The Democrats had a BLOWOUT SUCCESS in new voter registration (Dems 58%, Reps 37%--an overwhelming advantage).

How I see that day--and everything that led up to it--is that what we had happening here, in the U.S., was a new and unprecedented democracy movement, unlike anything I have ever seen in this country (and I go way back, to the '60s). But it was a young movement, easily smashed. And that is exactly what the Bush Cartel did with their election fraud--they smashed it to pieces. And this movement was furthermore a threat to many Democratic leaders, who have never like the grass roots, and have a fundamental difference with the rank and file on war in the Middle East, and they colluded with the BushCons, on the Iraq war as well as on the setting up of an inherently fraudulent election system (an election system that Democratic leaders should have screamed loudly against from the beginning--and didn't).

Fear was also a factor in the "anthrax Congress" (the Congress that agreed to paperless, unauditable voting, with major Bush donors counting the votes using secret, proprietary programming code.) (Criminy!....). Fear and corruption--two things the Bush Cartel know well how to use.

So, once again, as with the Iraq invasion, we have a whole huge country full of disinformed and depressed citizens who DON'T KNOW HOW TO change things for the better. They tried voting. It didn't work. They don't know why. They have been denied that information (both as a result of the TV networks CHANGING the exit poll data--Kerry won--adjusting it to fit the official result--Bush won--on election night; and the subsequent blackout in the news of all election fraud information).

And now, those of us who DO know what happened, have to climb that mountain again--slow, steady, relelentless investigation of the facts, and promulgation by word of mouth.

Yes, there are many, many things wrong with America's political system, and also with its financial/corporate system, that have been in development for many decades. And, yes, many Americans have been guilty of burying our heads in the sand, and of not remaining vigilant citizens as the fascists took more and more control. But when it all came to crisis, with Bush II, 9/11 and the Iraq invasion, Americans DID wake up, DID get themselves informed, and DID get organized and DID vote these bastards out.

That gives me great hope. And I believe that the passionate young democracy movement that accomplished that great task will re-establish itself, and is doing so now. And it is much more knowledgeable now, about just how sick and corrupt the political system and the financial/corporate system are.

Also, there are quite a number of Americans who never did bury their heads in the sand--human rights activists, environmentalists, anti-war activists, anti-globalization activists, media activists--numerous groups and individuals who have continued to organize and to inform people throughout the previous decades. These groups were critically important to the anti-Bush vote on 11/2.

I think we just have to get done with whining and blaming--all of us, here and abroad. It doesn't help. Do Americans PREFER that 100,000 innocent Iraqis are dead from U.S. bombs? Do Americans WANT the Bush Cartel to loot our public coffers dry? Do Americans approve of torturing prisoners? The answer to these and similar questions is an overwhelming "NO!" (Look at the opinion polls!) Did we try to change things? YES! Did we fail? YES!

Why? Because we're a lazy, horrible people? I don't think so.

[Blue Shark]

46. Wrong...

...the entire world was watching closely week after week for the WMD. As the months streamed by the obvious became evident. I fail to see how there is ANY conection with the recent election where JFK II conceeded very quickly, and his fucking lawyers said then, and say to this day, that they DO NOT question the legitimacy of Bush's win. No wonder nobody gives a damn (original thread).

...that is why the race for the presidency to bring our long national nightmare to an end BEGAN on November 3rd...and our guy didn't show up.

[meppie-meppie not]

45. I concur with everything you've said and TY muchly for

having the courage to say it!!! :yourock:

[Helga Scow Stern]

43. The Ukranians staged effective protests with the help of a US-

backed plan. It wasn't just the Ukranian citizens, but the efforts of our own State Department and an OSCE who stood up for the Ukraine's democracy but not for ours.

Why don't you do more to help us like some Europeans and others, instead of putting us down? We need all the help we can get, but we have plenty of people attacking everything we do without you chiming in too.

By 2008 there will be massive protest if the vote is still worthless.

[BrightKnight]

34. deleted - n/t

self deleted

[Dinger]

36. Kick

:kick:

[NationalEnquirer]

37. NOBODY DAMN CARES!

I went FOUR AWFUL WEEKS without DU, and the morons out there, democrats included, dont give a flying flip!
I am as disheartened as ever about this, I WISH this would get coverage, instead of Terri S.
Instead of Wolfie, Bolton, Micheal J, ALL THAT CRAP!
I am of the belief now that it is going to take none other than Michael Moore making a movie about it.
I know there are others doing it, but MM is the only one who could get the publicity it needs.
I DO think that MM IS CONVINCABLE. I mean, he talks about it now, that he has doubts, we need something like him to get this out into the public arena.

Michael Moore, if you love America as much as you say you do, PLEASE do a movie on this!
The greatest crime against democracy since the fall of ancient Greece!

[WeHoldTheseTruths]

40. Contacting Michael

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[NationalEnquirer]

41. Just did it!

I guess alot of folks have already asked him about it.
I sent a short note, but I didnt rave like a lunatic.
We'll see..

[Stevepol]

47. I for one am so grateful for the people who did this report!

These people, Steven Fremman, et al., have worked hard to get this study together, and so many others have helped as well and are continuing to help in numerous other ways.

I only hope that the American people are able to read and hear the truth about the discrepancy between the alleged vote and the exit polls. Because of the work of many people, that becomes more and more likely. There's no telling how this will play out but the number of people who are aweare of the fraud is growing and will continue to grow no matter what the Congress and the state elections officials do to try to prevent honest elections.

We deserve a democracy in the US and I believe we can have it again.

[Fly by night]

48. have any media picked up the latest report and run stories on it? n/t