Questionable returns in Colorado

[shraby]

Found on cnn.com
Bush 1,058,040 and the Dem senator Salazar 1,023,803. Kerry and the Republican got Kerry: 944,052 and Coors got 944,520.

These are the figures for 98% of the vote in. Almost looks as if the votes for Kerry and Bush were switched.

[EPV101773]

1. Check out this petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/USAVote/

Guys-- we HAVE to get reforms passed before 2008.

This just cant happen again

I dont think any of us could take it!
(and I know the future generations couldnt)

[shraby]

2. We need the present irregularities

taken care of NOW..before it's final.

[cthrumatrix]

14. where in the fuck are the 10,000 MF'ing lawyers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Old and In the Way]

3. Absolutely right!

These numbers are just too damn close to make sense. I could see Coors getting a few more votes than Bush, too. The question is why wouldn't they have flipped Coors numbers, too?

[shraby]

6. If they flipped

Bush and Kerry, that would make the outcome you see.

If they were in a hurry to change the outcome, they might have missed the Coors/Salazar..or didn't think about how it would look.

[henslee]

4. What do you mean Kerry & Rep. got Kerrry, 944,052 and Coors got 944,520?

Not clear to me.

[shraby]

5. I mean

Kerry is Democrat, Coors is Republican

Bush is Republican, Salazar is Democrat

Yet the numbers are close for Bush-Salazar and for Kerry-Coors

[mountainvue]

7. My experiences.

I voted early in Denver County. My daughter, 18 years old and a first time voter, was not on the rolls. I registered her this past summer. She voted provisional.
My friend's son, a few years older, was told once he got to the polls he was not on the rolls. He is a few years older than my daughter and I believe he had voted before. First they told him he had to go vote in another precinct but apparently MoveOn was there and helped in getting him a provisional ballot.
My daughter's teacher showed up to vote only to be told he had already voted.

[TheModerateMadman]

8. A quick Question to yallz

Thats a pretty interesting figure. But does anyone know how many votes all together could have possibly been tampered? I know Bush won by alot, but giving us all the benefit of the doubt, how many votes are under suspision? Anyone know? I would like to know the answer if at all possible.

[mountainvue]

11. My precinct

had issued 37 provisional ballots out of 300 votes cast as of 4pm November 2.

[idiosyncratic]

9. I posted that the other day. Here is a graphic:

[IAMREALITY]

10. Weighing In (Can't Make Own Topic)

I posted this on another link, but it seems like a dead topic, so I will try here.....

Hello Fellow Robbed Americans,

I have been obsessively reading these posts/forums for days now. I have been quite thankful for one venue in which to receive all of the latest news on this huge scandal, and celebrated with all of you last night upon watching Keith Olbermann. I have seen all the facts/theories available so far and like most of you am 100% convinced that fraud took place, and am frustrated as hell at facing a stolen election yet again, this time even worse.

That is my emotional viewpoint. Now for my intellectual viewpoint. Though the evidence gathered so far screams out 'Somethin's Fishy', 7 days after the election we unfortunately still have gathered only a few instances of Facts that translate directly to Votes that can be added or deducted. Not to be a downer, but I'm really starting to feel that sickness in my gut that I had when the Supreme Court Ruling came down in 2000. Utterly Helpless. The fact is we can be as convinced as we want that this mass fraud took place to the point of determining the outcome of the election, but unless we find more Franklin County's, facts that can directly (not theoretically) translate to votes, then we are more than likely done. The reason I say that is because anything else will not be enough for the Kerry camp to come out swinging, Period. All the majority of these theories on here will do is put more awareness that more needs to be done to protect against fraud. That of course is no loss, it will help hopefully to preserve our democracy for future elections. There is only one way I see right now though for anything to matter enough to change the outcome of THIS election, and that is a recount. We can have a million more stories of precinct data that looks suspicious, but it won't do anything more then just convince us even moreso that fraud did in fact take place. But I don't think we need more convincing, it's obvious enough already. We need to put all of our efforts right now into Fact finding, not suspicion finding. It seems relatively far-fetched right now that a recount will happen, and I'm pretty convinced that would be our only real hope. I'm hoping New Hampshire let's Nader go ahead with the recount, and the results are staggering enough to warrant an automatic Ohio and Florida investigation. Other then that scenario, I think we are on our own. But we need to work smarter, not harder. Stop pouring over suspicious data that only serves to convince you of what you already know. Instead start being more agressive, more active. For example, weren't we all pretty proud at how big of a GOTV effort the dems had? The phone lists, the phone calls, people going to swing states, etc?? We were proud of our efforts, or at least until we were told that they failed. By why aren't those efforts continuing? We know the questionable precincts, has anyone actually put together a plan to go to one and canvass the neighborhood? Why not? Have we searched for phone numbers in these counties to get out a massive GOTF (Get Out The Fraud) effort? Why not? Call people in these counties, spread the word, get them charged up, get their opinions, canvass the small precincts, put together facts, get this train moving!!!!! I only come off preachy because I care as much as you all do, but I can't help feeling that the end result is going to be like 2000. But we have time left. It isn't over yet. But we need to scream louder. Farrrrrr louder. We can't just say it, we must do it. It is truly our only hope. Remember, don't wait for your ship to come in, swim out to it instead.......

P.S. Great Community, and thank you for a great venue to ease my depression in these trying times.....

[Old and In the Way]

13. We GOTV, now GOTF......I like that.

GOTF or GTFO....know what I mean, Gene? :-)

Welcome aboard, IAMREALITY. I found this place shortly after the 1st stolen election....been my home ever since. Great place to get informed, no question.


Actually, while I would normally agree that a recount would be the preferred procedure, I'm past the point of trusting these bastards. They've had plenty of time to fix things.

What I'd like to see, by the Democratic Party, is a highly visible, orchestrated canvassing effort in OH and FL. I want to see every Democrat that voted contacted and asked to certify-

Who did you vote for - Bush or Kerry.

Encourage them to be honest. Hey, if they say they voted for Bush, OK. No problem (they obviously haven't reached their threshold of pain yet). But lets see if our results of a legally binding document match with the tallied count.

I'd also open it to Republicans, if they wished to be participate. Now, if they want to be dishionest and say they voted for Kerry, that's cool. Chances are, the Bushbots won't participate anyway. But those Republicans smart enough to have voted Kerry may well be motivated to get their vote recorded, as well. Wouldn't that also be interesting?

What will this accomplish?

(1) It will be another data set that will either confirm or disprove whether fraud was perpetrated on us. Either way, we get some definitive understanding on the outcome. Worst thing is not knowing. If we lost, we have work to do. If we won, Bush needs to resign....immediately. And then we fix the election process so that we will never question the results again.

(2) It shows the Democratic Base a tangible action by the party leadership that they are fighting for us. I'm concerned that this is the 3rd election where we've been screwed and I don't see a concerted effort by the DNC to challenge the status quo. If they do nothing, they could see an erosion of support to 3rd Party or, more likely, no-shows in the next election because they are convinced their vote doesn't matter.


While we are canvassing on the vote, let's ask another question:

What issues are you concerned about....this info can also be invaluable to the Democratic leadership in understanding what the constituents are demanding of their elected representitives in Congress.

Secret ballots and computerized paperless trails are working against us and the only way to fight the theft of democracy by modern technology is to openly stand up for our votes.

[paulk]

12. a lot of people in this state expected Salazar to do better than Kerry

Salazar did a lot better in rural Colorado; posters in the Colorado forum mentioned many houses with Bush and Salazar signs in their yards, especially on the western slope.

There was definitely a lot of vote suppression going on, I've heard at least two examples of questionable occurrences in Denver from people I know, but using the Salazar/Coors race as proof of voting fraud in Colorado is a no go.