Do you think Dean would have done more if he were the nominee?

[garybeck]

Obviously Howard Dean had a head start on understanding election fraud. he appeared on TV with Bev Harris to demonstrate how easy it is to hack into the central tabulator, and that was months before the election. he must "get it." But he's been relatively silent on election fraud since the election, supposedly because there's no "proof."

While we're all (well, maybe not all) looking at the Dean/Dem bandwagon, I wonder... If I could ask Howard Dean one question, it would be -- If you were the nominee on 11/2 and saw the exit polls, long lines, computer voting, etc, would you have done anything different than Kerry did? If so, what?

I suppose it would be best to divide the question into before, during, and after election day.

His answer would help me decide if I should have any hope for the dems in 2006 and 2008, and if I should support them or jump ship for the greens.

[bullimiami]

1. if dean puts up a good strong fight to change the dems

i may stick around.

I will not be lulled by a stupid and foolish candidate like Kerry again. If nothing significant changes I will go green. for everything including the presidential race.

[Melodybe]

3. Shoulda, woulda, coulda, it doesn't matter now

He is the right man to rebuild our party and that is all that counts.

[Deep13]

2. Not more, but different.

Kerry's campaign was enormous. Locally, it was the most amazing effort I ever saw. He raised more money than any other D ever has and more than any other non-incumbent. Dean could not possibly have done more, but he might have done things differently. Kerry's problem was two-fold: his failure to counter the R slander machine and a media and popular culture that was stacked against him. No war president has ever been defeated. There was nothing he or anyone else could have done to change the latter in one year.

I don't know if we will succeed in 2006 or 2008. I do know, however, that the Greens will not. This election has done far more of a disaster than most people realize. It may be decades before we have recovered from it. Before we can win Congress or the presidency, we need to win state constitutional offices. Before we do that, we need to win in cities, counties and state legislative districts. We cannot do that until we have candidates with experience from city council and school board races. That is not possible unless we find people who are willing and able to run and who are able to convince voters they are right. Right now the media, churches, and other cultural forces have convinced people that the liberals are wrong. That is not something that can be undone immediately.

[Larkspur]

4. Dean would have fought hard to defeat Bush

and he had some excellent zingers against Bush. Dean's campaign was better geared against Bush than against his Dem nominees and was definitely better geared against Bush than milquetoast Kerry. Dean understood where to hit and hurt Bush. Kerry tried to be Bush-lite and fell into every trap Karl Rove laid for him. If it wasn't for ABB, Kerry would have gotten blown out.

And my opinion on Kerry running for 2008 nomination, he's trying to pull an Adlai Stevenson.

[MissWaverly]

5. I think Dean would not have conceded like Kerry

I think that Kerry was just overwhelmed, I think he's a good man, he's a good senator, but I think that he just shut down on Nov. 2nd,
when he heard that there was vote rigging going on, he should have demanded recounts right then, I don't care what anyone says, even if it was not enough for him to win, this corruption has got to be exposed or we will not have a democracy. I think if he had to go down, he should have went down swinging. I think that Dean stood up, even in those dark days right after the election. He was one of the few voices to speak out, he is a fighter, maybe the media set out to destroy him, but he survived with his integrity intact. I admire him a great deal.

[berniew1]

6. Media would have trashed him; but its hard to know.

Bush & his minions have very bad skeletons in the closet that haven't come out. Its hard to know if some of it would have come out with Dean rather than Kerry. I think Kerry was the stronger candidate, but Dean might have come up with a weak link if more focused on Bush's obvious skeletons that are out there, not covered by the Media.

[anaxarchos]

7. Yes...

...Dean would have done "more". Kerry ran on the theory that he could win and Dean couldn't. If Kerry couldn't win (overcome the rig job), Dean would have "done more"...

[bitchkitty]

8. I think that Dean would probably have waited longer than

Kerry did before conceding.

I trusted Dean, and still do - I'm still a Democrat because of Howard Dean.

[kster]

9. I don't think he could

have, would you expect the Fire Chief(Kerry) to go fight the forest fire(election fraud) by himself. I wouldn't expect that the Fire Chief(Kerry) and a couple hundred Firemen(Reps) could put this forest fire(election fraud) out,especially now that it is out of control.

Maybe the Fire Chief(Kerry) a couple hundred Firemen(Reps) and thousands of volunteers(we the people). Now that would get the fire (election fraud)under control and out, a hell of lot faster than sending the Fire Chief(Kerry) alone. Any good Fire Chief(Kerry) would know how this forest fire(election fraud) has to be fought. Just a thought.

[bilgewaterbill]

10. So, is Dean a fire extinguisher

or a wet blanket?

[kster]

11. Ask the Fire Chief

Lol