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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:38 PM
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Link to clear evidence of voter fraud in Ohio.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x34180#34193

Over 30 counties in Ohio had more than 100% voter turnout, that is more voters voted than were registered. Some counties were as high as over 150%. This, in addition to the exit polls showing Kerry winning statewide by over 5%, calls into question the validity of the election results in Ohio. Also, absentee votes were not counted and military votes were not counted and provisional votes were not counted. The right wing news media will not cover this issue-we need to shout it out loud to all who will hear-FRAUD!!!!!

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/todays_show.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:44 PM
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:41 PM
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6. HA!
Let me ask you: What if it's proven that BushCo stole the election outright, that Kerry actually won both the electoral vote and the popular vote? Would you be willing to admit that your leader is a criminal and a fraud? Would you be supportive of President Kerry and be willing to adjust your views a little to the left?

What you're really saying is that Americans should be given a choice between Republicans and Lite-Republicans. Which would you choose? Well we don't want Lite-Republicans either.

Enjoy your stay.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:57 PM
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8. Why can't freepers format?
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 09:59 PM by scottxyz
Dude, try hitting the ENTER key now and then.

This is DU not FR - our layout is actually READABLE! (If you're curious why, check out the stevegilliard entry below.)

And that discretdited Cheney crock you trotted out about "more people voted for Bush" than any candidate in history - nice try. You know and I know the population's LARGER than any time in history, so don't even try. Don't look now - but second place is Kerry 2004 - and third place is Gore 2000 in your meaningless ranking.

Actually, Bush's 2004 "victory" is, strangely, one of the THREE NARROWEST ELECTORAL COLLEGE VICTORIES since 1804 (one of the other ones being, you guessed it, 2000!) 2000 and 2004 are the the ONLY times the Electoral College, which always "magnifies" victories, was so neck-and-neck.

You might want to bone up on these conservative talking points about the Electoral College results over at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x34725
sometime (DU's a very complete resource you'll find, even for key CONSERVATIVE texts!)

Then go read -
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2004/11/they-voted-for-this-mess.html
- it's really addressed to you - or to the yokels you've been fooling so far with all your blathering about "moral values".

And PS - the very believable patterns of FRAUD (tens of thousands more votes than voters in OH and FL, unprecedented exit-poll discrepancies) invalidate your whole Republican-Lite cave-in proposal.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:00 PM
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11. I will not welcome you to DU, I alerted the mods to your post
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 10:08 PM by merh
and hope that you are banished. That being said, are you out of your mind?

Your words: "The Democratic Party lost due to its liberal left stance on may issues. Instead of discussing election fraud (which I am sure took place but no more on the right then on the left) or making hateful statements about Republicans, web sites such as this should focus on how to come closer to the Republican party and find a more common ground with the people in the middle which are the people needed to win elections and power."

If the Democratic party alters its liberal stance on any issue, then we will form another party.

What, pray tell, has your republican leadership done in the last 20 years that you can be proud of and that would make me want to join hands with you and unite?

Reagan and the end of the cold war - a myth, he didn't do anything, he was in the right place at the right time, just as the weed that would be king was in the right place at the right time. Mr. Rogers, in his lovely sweater, could have stood upon the pile of rubble at ground zero with a mega phone and come off as a great leader if he said he "would make the bad guys pay for their evil crimes".

There are educated folks on this site, many well read and learned folks that do not rely on the weed's administration or the mainstream or cable media for the news and the facts and the truth. I suggest you start reading, not just U.S. news, but the news from around the world. Then examine the endorsements of John Kerry made by the numerous generals and military leaders, the leaders of other nations, the scientists and the economists, they just didn't sign their names they gave reasons why they endorsed and trusted him. No one trusts your Napoleon, hell, at least Napoleon and hitler served in the military.

I suggest that you go to the hospital and ask from some charcoal, maybe that will help you get the kool aide out of your system. Your party and the weed's administration offers nothing to me - we will never unite with the lying, thiefing thugs. That you proudly call yourself a member of the party makes me doubt your veracity and intelligence.

Maybe you should read John F. Kennedy's definition of a liberal. That is what I am and that is what our party is about - you don't like it then leave, no one invited you here to try to unite us with your thiefing party.

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?"

"If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal."

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal.'"

-John F. Kennedy September 14, 1960


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:11 PM
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14. And here's you one - more people voted for Kerry than
your St. Ronnie (as reported by the media and the lying Secretary of States in Ohio, etc) - so what! The clown-n-chief and his evil side kick rovey stole the damned election. The truth is, more people voted for Kerry than the shrub, therefore, using your analogy, more people voted for Kerry than any president in U.S. history.
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nofanofbush Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:52 PM
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2. thanks...
for the info
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:04 PM
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3. First Post - Weighing In
Hello Fellow Robbed Americans,

I have been obsessively reading these posts/forums for days now. I have been quite thankful for one venue in which to receive all of the latest news on this huge scandal, and celebrated with all of you last night upon watching Keith Olbermann. I have seen all the facts/theories available so far and like most of you am 100% convinced that fraud took place, and am frustrated as hell at facing a stolen election yet again, this time even worse.

That is my emotional viewpoint. Now for my intellectual viewpoint. Though the evidence gathered so far screams out 'Somethin's Fishy', 7 days after the election we unfortunately still have gathered only a few instances of Facts that translate directly to Votes that can be added or deducted. Not to be a downer, but I'm really starting to feel that sickness in my gut that I had when the Supreme Court Ruling came down in 2000. Utterly Helpless. The fact is we can be as convinced as we want that this mass fraud took place to the point of determining the outcome of the election, but unless we find more Franklin County's, facts that can directly (not theoretically) translate to votes, then we are more than likely done. The reason I say that is because anything else will not be enough for the Kerry camp to come out swinging, Period. All the majority of these theories on here will do is put increased awareness that more needs to be done to protect against fraud. That of course is no loss, as it will help hopefully to preserve our democracy for future elections. There is only one way I see right now though for anything to matter enough to change the outcome of THIS election, and that is a recount. We can have a million more stories of precinct data that looks suspicious, but it won't do anything more than just convince us even more that fraud did in fact take place. But I don't think we need more convincing, it's obvious enough already. We need to put all of our efforts right now into Fact finding, not suspicion finding. It seems relatively far-fetched right now that a recount will happen, and I'm pretty convinced that would be our only real hope. I'm hoping New Hampshire let's Nader go ahead with the recount, and the results are staggering enough to warrant an automatic Ohio and Florida investigation. Other then that scenario, I think we are on our own. But we need to work smarter, not harder. Stop pouring over suspicious data that only serves to convince you of what you already know. Instead start being more agressive, more active. For example, weren't we all pretty proud at how big of a GOTV effort the dems had? The phone lists, the phone calls, people going to swing states, etc?? We were proud of our efforts, or at least until we were told that they failed. By why aren't those efforts continuing? We know the questionable precincts, has anyone actually put together a plan to go to one and canvass the neighborhood? Why not? Have we searched for phone numbers in these counties to get out a massive GOTF (Get Out The Fraud) effort? Why not? Call people in these counties, spread the word, get them charged up, get their opinions, canvass the small precincts, put together facts, get this train moving!!!!! I only come off preachy because I care as much as you all do, but I can't help feeling that the end result is going to be like 2000. But we have time left. It isn't over yet. But we need to scream louder. Farrrrrr louder. We can't just say it, we must do it. It is truly our only hope. Remember, don't wait for your ship to come in, swim out to it instead.......

P.S. Great Community, and thank you for a great venue to ease my depression in these trying times.....
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:25 PM
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19. Welcome to DU, IAMREALITY.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:16 PM
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4. Damn! That's Oberman's fault
He said: "vote early and vote often". :bounce:
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:24 PM
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5. this has been discredited
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cdp Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:51 PM
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7. Hey JohnnyCougar
This is off topic here but... do you have any info that debunks the Exit Polls Are Significantly More Inaccurate In States Without Paper Trails Theory?
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Christian30 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:00 PM
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9. Yeah...
I'd be interested in hearing that...
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:00 PM
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10. Well, actually.... I do.
When that data were analyzed many liberties were taken with what constituted a "paper trail." For instance, NH, where there is no electronic voting, was included as a state without a paper trail. Well, it has one - and Nader intends to see it counted.

I reanalyzed the data switching some states to the "paper trail" category. Results much less striking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=27951#28584

BUT: Certainly there is a big difference between exit polls and vote tallies in swing states. We should focus on this meme.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:04 PM
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:15 PM
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16. "Paper trail" doesn't mean taking a receipt back to the polling place.
Golleeeee, Gomer -- are people really this stupid?

Then again, look who's in the White House.

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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:22 PM
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18. I think Dick Cheney is on DU!
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 10:23 PM by scottxyz
Remember the name USSWyoming, DUers -

and I guess USSWyoming will need to get a new login soon - such amateurism has rarely been seen on DU. You're never gonna win a beer cooler at this rate, dude! Trashed in MINUTES after two lousy posts - that has to be a record!
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:26 PM
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20. Damn - deleted already!
The real howlers always get deleted before I read em!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:59 PM
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24. It was a doozy!!
The poster was apparently confused by comparisons of touchscreen voting systems with ATMs, in which it was pointed out that it should be a simple thing to get the machines to provide a hardcopy record of each vote, since even ATMs spit out receipts.

The poster thought this meant everybody would get a paper ballot like a receipt and TAKE IT HOME. Then if there's a problem, everybody takes their receipt back IN to some place at some time. The poster pointed out that dogs could 'eat the paper trail.' (No, I'm not kidding.)
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:06 PM
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13. No
I think this is our most convincing case for fraud right now.
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cdp Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:14 PM
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15. I agree.
Do you have any info/links on how accurate exit polls are historically?
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:21 PM
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17. No, I wish I did.
The fact that all the vote counts favored Bush over the exit polls, and not one favored Kerry is extremely suspicious. If the exit polls are so bad, why didn't at least one of them favor Bush?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:26 PM
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21. Have you read Zogby on this?
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:31 PM
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22. Yup. We need to push this angle more.
Exit polls are historically reliable. The Republicans are trying to discredit them as we speak. We'd be better to dig up evidence supporting the validity of exit polls than to focus on Dixiecrat counties in Florida.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:33 PM
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23. You know zogby wants to save his rep and his future
I bet he is working his ass off to the be sure someone gets to the bottom of this.
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