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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:09 PM
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HELP! URGENT! I can get a letter to JK & his team tomorrow but I need INFO
I can get a letter to John Kerry and his legal/electoral team. It WILL go directly to them and they WILL read it because of who it will be coming from.

The point of the letter is to convey that it is NOT over and that more and more evidence of fraud is popping up despite the media lockout.

I was requested to put together an email with links with detailed explanations of what the links are, so that they are easily navigatable.

Please help me. I have been compiling links, posted here and elsewhere, but I only have tonight to do it. So if you have started a website, have a collection of links or even just sent off an email report to BBV, please respond with it here, explaining the significance of your link, if there is a part within the webpage that is of particular importance, please note it, basically it needs to be as user-friendly as possible. I am trying to put together as much information as possible here, and it can't be incoherent or overwhelming.

Aren't we all wishing we could let John Kerry know that he conceded too early, that we there was foul play, to SHOW him what we have been uncovering for the last several days? Well, this is our chance. This WILL go directly to him, and perhaps more importantly to his advisor team, who are handling all of his decisions.

Please respond with links and explanations of said links. The more you explain the less I have to do and the more time I have to compile more information.

Thank you in advance for all your help. This is real and this is important.


DU mods--is there any way this could stay on top or on the front page for 12 hours or so? I know it's not standard to ask for yourself, but I need people to see this and help me.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:11 PM
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1. You need to PM some people.
Eloriel for one. I'll go find you a couple of others.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:12 PM
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3. Kick, sweetie. Good luck
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:14 PM
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5. ladyhawk is another, I think
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Help expose the election 2004 voter fraud!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:15 PM
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7. thank you! how do I PM them?
I only know how to do that if I am looking at something they posted.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:16 PM
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8. Click the profiles link at the top of the page. Should give you a long
list of DUer names.

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Help expose the election 2004 voter fraud!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:18 PM
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14. here is a few more, I'll get you some more.
AIndependentTexan
plan9_pub
WilliamPitt
DesertDem
bigtree
BQueen
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:39 AM
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81. Make sure you let him know, it's now or never for the Presidency.
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BurlingtonPatriot Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:45 AM
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82. edit
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 12:48 AM by BurlingtonPatriot
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:59 PM
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103. idaBriggs is another
althecat, truthisall and petrodollar warfare is a start.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:12 PM
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2. KICK
LOOKING FOR ANYTHING!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:14 PM
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4. I don't have any info on my own site, as I am mainly trying to
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 07:15 PM by GreenPartyVoter
help coordinate folks who want to get in touch with the PTB and give their 2 cents on the fraud. But I do have some links to places that _do_ have info, though.

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Help expose the election 2004 voter fraud!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm
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BayStateBoy Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:15 PM
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6. Why Democracy Demands Recounts
1. The soul of Democracy is the truth. We need to validate the results irrespective of outcome especially with so many smoking guns.

2. If we don't legally challenge, the doors will be flung wide open to massive fraud in the future because the Repugs will know that they have a free ride. We will have promoted fraud. DNC=DOA.

3. It's a matter of honor. Our candidates said that every vote would be counted. Unless the Smutboat Vets were correct, John Kerry and the DNC needs to step up to the plate and get the votes recounted.

4. Bush may well have won OH but I doubt he won FL. Doing a recount regardless of the results will unlikely alienate those that voted for Kerry-Edwards, and those others are lost souls most of them anyway.

5. We can link the recounts to some sort of "values" or moral stand. It's the Democratic way; after all the history of voting in America is the history of recounts (and rigged elections). Also, since tampering with a federal election is a felony we need to take the law and order stand. With a little imagination, it could be done.

6. Irrespective of the final voting tallies, we would gather ammunition to go forward to try to eradicate those voting methods that leave no paper trail. Great way to turn the spotlight on that problem.

7. Of course it will create "controversy," but the anger is already building and we owe it to 55 million+ Americans. I think Chimpie's popular vote plurality is an Electoral WMD and this is the way to prove it. 8. Unless Kerry-Edwards support recounts they are political roadkill. More importantly, so is the Democratic Party. No one in his/her right mind is going to stand in line to vote for 10 hours are walk in the rain going door to door if the damn candidates don’t care enough about Democracy to demand recounts.

and this link speaks for millions of us: http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=18605&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:16 PM
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11. thank you. do you have any links to numbers, reported frauds, etc. too?
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rhys2k1 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:16 PM
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9. go get 'em, tiger!
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pantouflard Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:21 PM
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16. I second that! You have DU Cheerleaders.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:56 PM
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33. awww thanks :)
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NJ_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:37 PM
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67. I think Truthisall put together a pretty impressive file
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 10:40 PM by NJ_Lib
Do you have that one?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:16 PM
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10. Here are MANY (not all) of the numerous DU discussions
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 07:17 PM by Eloriel
VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

But you'll either have to sort the wheat from the chaff (and believe me, there's some real gold in there), or you'll have to explain to them that this IS a discussion forum and there are some VERY astute players and researchers and analysts and thinkers here, and then there are the rest of us. :evilgrin:

Edited to add: These two threads have some excellent info within the threads (they're just some of the more recent ones):

***** Unravelling the Mystery of the Cuyahoga County vote totals (posted by Skinner, Admin)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x33600

***** Cuyahoga County Precincts - Revised! (Update at 4:53 PM Tuesday)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x33760#33782
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:18 PM
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13. no, I have to sort. It has to be very coherent...Wanna help me?
please? This just fell in my lap and I am trying to do a lot in little time.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:25 PM
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40. I can't. Sorry.
Go thru and pick out a few of the better threads. Go thru Ohio and FL and National to find them. There are a few great ones in there.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:43 AM
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88. ok, thank you!!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:17 PM
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12. These DUers have been at the forefront:
Truthisall, althecat...
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:19 PM
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15. I hope JK realizes that this is beyond the results of the election
and this is not "sore loser" tactics to get him to replace Smirky on the fly, on top of a doubly Republican Congress.

This is about the integrity of American Democracy. The fraud, the glitches, the voter intimidation and fooling techniques have to be exposed. Non-auditable machines without paper trail have to be melted down forever, and the intimidation has to be punished as prescribed by law.

Otherwise, the only ones who will ever show up to vote are the ones whose party is controlling the machines. What will be the point of voting then???

Someone has to help with this!!
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:22 PM
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17. Just nominated for front page; this is very good news, I'll help as much
as I'm able.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. thank you! eom
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:23 PM
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18. Here's a bunch: (from Eloriel)
NATIONAL or MULTI-STATE
George Bush's 8 Million New Votes Found – A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=19390&mesg_id=19390duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=19390&mesg_id=19390

Kerry Margins: Paper-ballot and Non-paper ballot states... (by TrutIsAll)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2612492

Calling all DUers - My husband is a Ph.D. statistician and
(see esp. post #17)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=26421#
DU Home Page (w/Graphs mentioned in opening post of thread): http://www.democraticunderground.com /

The Exit Polls vs. the Actuals: Who do you believe-CNN or your lying eyes?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2617461

Exit polls analysis versus reported vote count (by Faun Otter)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=11874&mesg_id=11874

In this thread we post all the evidence of vote fraud.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1333866

New tabulation of voting methods, vendors by population in state.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2617492

Still don't believe they stole it? Look here (by tkmorris)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1333746
table link: http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

Have Hard Vote Fraud Evidence!? - RESPOND HERE PLZ
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The Exit Polls vs. the Actuals: Who do you believe-CNN or your lying eyes?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2617461

Voter fraud claims are bull
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2621252

The stage is set to ban "Exit Polls" in the future. So there will be no way to ID suspicious results. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2625382

Did ANY votes accidentally go to Kerry?
(none that anyone can find)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x26471

Just for Sh*ts and Grins, Has anyone checked BBV consistency?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x27821

A single hacker could have fixed the election.
(slashdot link, where computer programmers hang out)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1636

Voter News Service (VNS)
The news networks don't just report election news, they create it. But do they also conspire to control election results?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1333866&mesg_id=1334804&page=

'Rat a l'Orange' -- Documents indicate voting machine certification fraud (Bev Harris)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2626567

SAME COUNTIES FRAUD 2000/2004 (from Bev Harris's book)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2625077

The statisticians who designed the exit polls
Do they accept that their results were off-base?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x27547

House Judiciary Committee letter to GAO regarding voting machines
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2609760


FLORIDA
Take a look at these interesting numbers...... (FL)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2623514


**WEIRD FL NUMBERS - BRAND NEW**
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x23860#24284
Link to file: http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/FloridaDifferences.htm

27 Florida Counties with superior Democratic Registration vote
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2624415

New statistics on Florida fraud - please share (Faun Otter)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x27702

Here we Go, Florida Democrat (Candidate) Goes to the FBI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
HOT!! Florida U.S. House Rep. says he has evidence of hacked voting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x27340

Graph of Florida by County by Voting Machine - Change from 2000 to 2004
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2615219&mesg_id=2615219

Florida Numbers on Op-Scan machines shows HUGE %Drop in Dem turnout??????
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x25657

OUCH !! Broward machines count backward - 2002 again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1518

Denial, Anger, Action
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2619207&mesg_id=2619207

According to Florida voter data this election was stolen. PERIOD
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1274

Hillsborough County FLA - oddities + undervotes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1214


OHIO
ES&S "Former Employee" accessed rural OH BOE Computer in Oct.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x27251


COLLECTIONS OF LINKS
A Whole Forum of Various Voting Problems:
Report Voting Problems
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=201

Evidence of Election fraud (links)
http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm

List of links to election articles
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules
/news/article.php?storyid=980
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:28 PM
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20. ohhh awesome! this is exactly what I need. Thank you.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. no prob, and, here is a rather incriminating video:
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. what is in the video? (I can't watch it at this computer)
but I need to be able to "introduce" it if I link it. thanks.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
36. congressman Peter King of New York
telling Bush the election is in the bag.


(This is in broad daylight in the backyard of the White House)
"King-The election's over, we won.
(someone else)How do you know that?
king- It's all over for the county. We'll take care of the county."

http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater256.html

Oh, and Congressman King's county results in 2000 vs. 2004
Congressman:

2004:
52% Kerry
47% Bush

2000:
58% Gore
39% Bush

More popular vote padding...

Hope I've been helpful.
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steelyboo Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #36
68. Sorry, first timer, but it sounded to me like he said
"It's all over except for the counting. We'll take care of the counting."

Which is ,well, an inherently disgusting statement.

I dunno, my ears might be playing tricks...
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:42 AM
Response to Reply #68
84. It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting.
"It's already over. The election's over. We won."

"How do you know that?"

"It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting."


I have it looped on Quicktime, to better transcribe.
Such CONfidence!
Take him in for questioning.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #25
104. Some guy telling bush that sthe election is over, we won
we took care of the county. look to be some sort of picnic on the grounds of the whitehouse.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
72. so who won that county?
or were they counting?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:28 PM
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21. Warren County Ohio counted votes in secret
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:30 PM
Response to Original message
22. Can somebody with more posts than me
please PM truthisall and althecat and make sure they help nodehopper to sift out the best stuff? They've been on this from the beginning and can probably give the big picture. There's SO MUCH evidence that nodehopper needs an overview from a knowledgeable source. Thanks!!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. I'm on it
.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:34 PM
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24. Maureen Farrell has written a good summary.


Another Rigged Election? The Elephant in the Voting Booth


by Maureen Farrell


"Citing concerns about potential terrorism, Warren County officials locked down the county administration building on election night and blocked anyone from observing the vote count as the nation awaited Ohio's returns. County officials say they took the action Tuesday night for homeland security, although state elections officials said they didn't know of any other Ohio county that closed off its elections board. Media organizations protested, saying it violated the law and the public's rights. The Warren results, delayed for hours because of long lines that extended voting past the scheduled close of polls, were part of the last tallies that helped clinch President Bush's re-election." -- The Cincinnati Enquirer


"Bush was to supposed to have watched the election from Crawford but was spirited back to Ohio today by his jittery advisors. Now he's in Washington. "(Why?!)" -- Max Blum, Nov. 2, 2004


On election night, Peter Jennings looked measurably surprised when he learned that President Bush had provided a tape of himself, sitting in the White House, commenting on his impending victory. It was an unprecedented move. No sitting president had ever addressed the nation while polls were still open. It was just not done. But there was George, exuding confidence, offering an election day reminder of our leader's legitimacy.


It was all so perfectly Rovian, too. And why not? The Bush family filmed a similar made-for-TV moment in 2000, you might recall, when they assured America that Florida belonged to George. "There was one exact moment, in fact, when I knew for sure that Al Gore would Never be President of the United States, no matter what the experts were saying, and that was when the whole Bush family suddenly appeared on TV and openly scoffed at the idea of Gore winning Florida," Hunter S. Thompson wrote, two weeks before the Supreme Court's fateful decision." Of course Bush would win Florida. Losing was out of the question. Here was the whole bloody Family laughing & hooting & sneering at the dumbness of the whole world on National TV....

"http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/11/far04038.html
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:38 PM
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26. Nebraska and more
Sarpy County, Nebraska, 10,000 votes too many (ES&S machines)
http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html

Don't forget complicit employee intervention:
ES&S "Former Employee" accessed rural OH BOE Computer in Oct.
http://www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/news/news.01.txt


11,283 extra votes for bush in North Carolina, blaming a "software glitch"
http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local

Sequoia Voting admits possible evote error
http://www.whtm.com/news/stories/1104/184856.html

Related story: Sequoia gives away evoting machines to swing state
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/11/con04490.html

Also see this excellent summary by Maureen Farrell, more leads, "The Elephant in the Voting Booth:

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/11/far04038.html
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:42 PM
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28. Here is a very good independent study on Florida Elections...
I'm sure it's included on one of the DU links above, but you have to read so much before you get to the specific link:

Note that I just copied the first paragraph; I didn't include tables and graphs...

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/

An Examination of the Florida Elections
New: Florida is reporting more votes in the presidential election than it is reporting citizens that turned out to vote. Adding all the presidential race votes reported by the Florida Department of State here yields a total of 7,588,422 votes. The Florida Department of State reports here that voter turnout totalled only 7,350,900. That's a difference of 237,522. 3.1% of Florida's presidential votes were in excess of the number of voters in the election. 380,952 votes separate the President and John Kerry in Florida.
If we disregard the votes cast on the Model 100s and the Optech 3P Eagles, the difference between Bush and Kerry drops to 124,514. The votes cast on the Model 100s and the Optech 3P Eagles in conjunction with votes that cannot be tied to voters may have elected George W. Bush.
The 13 counties that report more votes than voters delivered 39.4% of the votes cast in Florida.
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leeno Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:44 PM
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29. Here is the Master List of thread links !that you seek
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:14 PM
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47. Whoa! That's really good!
Did you do that?

Welcome to DU, leeno :hi:
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:45 PM
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30. I am going to work on this for a bit. Please keep this kicked. Thankyou!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:47 PM
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31. Here is another compendium of sources
Let one group of attorneys peruse one site, and another group peruse another site. BTW, this is a good one, very well organized, graphs and links included.

http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm

sor (now lucypher) posted this in another thread, but I cannot PM because post count is too low. Bad time for people to be changing their names :(
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:15 PM
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38. Hi Nodehopper.. Straightshooter PMed me
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 08:16 PM by althecat
Looking at your request... Eloriel has created a brilliant map to all of this. She is modest about it but... it really is the bestest and most upto date map currently available by a county mile.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=1984&mesg_id=1984

That said it is huge... you are setting yourself a hard task. I published my own summary last night as a general introduction to this election and the controversy.

The specific sections that are most useful to you probably would be.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00124.htm#4
&
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00124.htm#5

The latter of which is extracted below...some of this may be helpful to use in your covering letter. It was written as an argument to appeal to the DNC.

Alastair Thompson
Co-Editor
www.Scoop.co.nz

************

Thinking The Unthinkable – If We Vote Fraud Theorists Are Correct


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00124.htm#5

..SNIP..

In 2004 only 30% of votes were counted electronically. In 2006 60% probably will be counted electronically.

If we vote fraud theorists are right then the Democrats can no longer select their own candidates to run for office without interference, let alone elect them into office. There is suspicion already that the primary race for the governorship ballot in Florida in 2002 between Janet Reno and Bill McBride was fixed so that Reno would not be running against Jeb Bush.

Secondly, if we vote fraud theorists are right, then consider the implications of this defeat for a moment in terms of political reality.

To the activists and liberal media the 2004 result is like a kick in the guts from an elephant. Countless thousands of politically motivated Americans – many of them not even Democrats - swallowed their concerns about Kerry, and worked tirelessly to raise awareness, to tell the truth, to rock the vote and to get out the vote this year.

..SNIP..

.... if we vote fraud theorists are right, then these voters were effectively led to the slaughter by the Democratic GOTV campaign. I am not certain how this will make the new Kerry voters who made it to the polls feel, but I do not think it will encourage them to participate again.

Equally important is the effect this has on the plausibility of election results. If people can swallow this result then I suspect they can swallow anything. And in the process a new benchmark has been set for the GOP vote. Next time 60 million republican's turn up on election day who will be able to say boo?


..SNIP..

If we vote fraud theorists are right then the fight over vote fraud is one that the Democratic Party simply cannot afford to ignore. Nor is it one that it can choose to fight later.

If we vote fraud theorists are right it is a fight that the Democratic Party owes to the 56 million people whose votes were recorded for John Kerry and who placed their trust in him.

And if we vote fraud theorists are wrong then what harm will have been done through the party sticking up for the most fundamental and important right that any American citizens can exercise. The right to have one's vote counted.

More:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00124.htm#5
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:20 AM
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86. thank you so much this is amazing
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:22 AM
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87. My pleasure... Good luck
And a warning.. the spinsters are out in force on this.... Kerry and his team need to look beyond the 24 hour news cycle on this one. Till yesterday there was a news blackout... then Olberman broke the story in the mainstream..

Jennings poo poohed it and already today the papers are coming out in force. Sometimes journalism really is a sewerpipe. Some links I am in the provess of compiling.

Al

Internet buzz on vote fraud is dismissed (Boston Globe 11/10)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=35798&mesg_id=35798

Ignore voting conspiracies and move on (orlando sentinal)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36097

Election conspiracy theories persist (AJC)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36000

Election machines rigged... or not? (David Shuster - MSNBC)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x35593



Interesting Conversation with Reporter today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=33840&mesg_id=33840

Re: media sitting on election fraud story
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=32871&mesg_id=32871

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EPV101773 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:55 PM
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32. Please check my petition out
http://www.petitiononline.com/USAVote/



Check it out guys- I think we desperately need to change the way things are done before 2008. If you have suggestions- add them in the comments section after you sign

I appreciate it

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:04 PM
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34. I just copied this to dKos.
Good luck!
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:28 AM
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90. thank you...the links there were very helpful. I emailed you.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:05 PM
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35. Thank you and Good Luck, Nodehoppper; Report back to us
(hopefully with goods news!)
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:38 AM
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94. I will post what I end up writing here.
I am not guaranteed a response, that was made clear to me. The only guarantee is that it will get to JK & his advisors and that it will be read.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:09 PM
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37. nodehopper: You're wanted at dKos:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:17 PM
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39. B4 you go.. please check out my response #38 above... I was PMed
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 08:19 PM by althecat
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:50 PM
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41. See this story on Zogby's site
This is huuuuuuge.

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10385

There's a huge difference between polling what WILL happen and polling something that has already happened. The reliability of polling something that has already happened is highly reliable vs. predictive polls, like Gallup or Zogby, which is very risky. The reliability can be, not plus or minus 4 percent as we see with predictive poplls, but rather a much more reliable plus or minus one half or one tenth of one percent with exit polls, because those are based on asking people who already voted. I would even say that if the exit polling were done in the key precincts of Florida and Ohio, which it was, then these results should be practically “bullet proof.”

It is important that people know how accurate random sampling of historical events can be in order for them to understand how unlikely it is that the exit polls were wrong. So if you want to fight the battle correctly, you must get more statisticians and forensic accountants involved as well as the lawyers. These statisticians can show with great credibility the probability of manipulation within the computer programs used for counting the ballots. They do this kind of work all the time to uncover fraud based upon computer manipulation in commercial and corporate activities. And these types of expert analyses are admissible in a court of law. The problem with all of this is determining who is going to fund such an investigation. Where will the money come from? Perhaps the Kerry/Edwards campaign fund has some surplus that can be used. It is possible that the DNC has some excess funds. How about the 527s and PACs who spent millions on ineffective political ads, coming up with a few million? In addition, who is going to lead the process of getting this done? This kind of an effort requires solidarity along with an organized coordinated effort. It's easy to come up with the forensic and technical people to get this done, but we need a strong leader and solidarity. Leadership and funding-- these are the two real challenges that must be dealt with in the coming days. We have a Watergate story here that could give the media a post election explosive news story that could make the 2000 Florida vote debacle look like small potatoes. We need to get the media to see that votergate 2004 is huge news and we need to quickly fund the investigation and get Democratic leaders behind it.

Sheldon Drobny is CPA and Venture Capitalist and co-founder of Air America Radio.

(11/9/2004)
- By Sheldon Drobny, Op-Ed News
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:03 PM
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71. Yes, please make sure they see this from zogby/Sheldon Drobny
IMPORTANT!
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sandboxface Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:53 PM
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42. Great info:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x33760

Cuyahoga county--where Cleveland resides--was critical to this election. The Kerry campaign was counting on this county to carry Ohio, and had that happened, he would've won the majority of electoral votes. What happened in Coyahoga county? Many things have already been reported, but here's another that I haven't seen talked about....

Late into the night when Bush was leading in Ohio with 90% of precincts reporting, the democratic party was still optimistic of pulling out a win because they were still expecting huge numbers of additional votes from Cleveland that they thought would give them the lead. The votes never materialized. What happened?

55 precincts in Cleveland show a turnout of less than 40%. Several show a turnout of less than 20%, and one even shows a turnout of 7%. That's right, SEVEN PERCENT. Despite reports of very strong ground efforts, record turnouts, and long lines throughout Cleveland, 60, 70, 80, even 90+% of the people who took the time to register didn't bother to show up?!? Or did they? Was there massive voter suppression in these precincts? Were voters in these precincts forced to vote via provisional ballots, ballots that are not audited in Ohio, so that we have no way of knowing how many were cast?

We need to get a handle on this. In the 55 precincts I mention, 84.3% of the counted votes went to Kerry, 15.1% to Bush. We're talking about many thousands of votes here, just in Cleveland alone. It could be that we got a horrific turnout, far worse than our expectations. But it could also be that people showed up and there was massive voter suppression, a massive compaign to challenge voters in these precincts, and/or a massive compaign to force voters into using unaudited (and therefore easily "lost") provisional ballots because of challenges, machine malfunctions, etc. Whatever the case may be, we had a HUGE shortfall of votes from Cuyahoga County and Cleveland in particular--literally tens and tens of thousands less than expected--and we need to see if we can find out why.

Here's the raw data from Cuyahoga County for confirmation:
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/boe/results/history/2004/1
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:56 PM
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43. Include this...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x34724

Keith Olberman's report that included "surprise" over Kerry conceeding so soon. Without a candidate, investigating the vote may not be seen as a priority to state judges.
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drh Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:00 PM
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44. BBV
Remember Bev Harris' site www.blackboxvoting.org, also www.rmpn.org
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:08 PM
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45. Have you gotten that clip to Olberman? that constitues Fraud !
Constituional lawyer said tonight that if the Prez knew then he is impeachable. Guess what Pete King and Bush standing there talking make it not only fraud but a conspiracy !
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Mr X Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:09 PM
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46. Here's a blog
tracking the reports. Trying to keep it user-friendly:

http://blackboxvoter.blogspot.com
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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:16 PM
Original message
Send Air America Radio Founder's letter here....
http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10385

He's advocating forensic accountants to examine the fraud. Also, it's interesting that this OpEd in on ZOGBY'S site.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:30 PM
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49. that was an awesome letter
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:16 PM
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hinachan Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:31 PM
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50. Just another kick!
Nothing here to see, folks...just keep moving. :)
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:39 PM
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52. Delete your email now, please
I am sending your message to nodehopper via PM.

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:37 PM
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51. pointsoflight is offering a very INTERESTING ANALYSIS, nodehopper
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x33760

S/he cannot receive PM's, maybe Skinner or another mod can override.

Post #21
"Cuyahoga county--where Cleveland resides--was critical to this election. The Kerry campaign was counting on this county to carry Ohio, and had that happened, he would've won the majority of electoral votes. What happened in Coyahoga county? Many things have already been reported, but here's another that I haven't seen talked about....

Late into the night when Bush was leading in Ohio with 90% of precincts reporting, the democratic party was still optimistic of pulling out a win because they were still expecting huge numbers of additional votes from Cleveland that they thought would give them the lead. The votes never materialized. What happened?

55 precincts in Cleveland show a turnout of less than 40%. Several show a turnout of less than 20%, and one even shows a turnout of 7%. That's right, SEVEN PERCENT. Despite reports of very strong ground efforts, record turnouts, and long lines throughout Cleveland, 60, 70, 80, even 90+% of the people who took the time to register didn't bother to show up?!? Or did they? Was there massive voter suppression in these precincts? Were voters in these precincts forced to vote via provisional ballots, ballots that are not audited in Ohio, so that we have no way of knowing how many were cast?

We need to get a handle on this. In the 55 precincts I mention, 84.3% of the counted votes went to Kerry, 15.1% to Bush. We're talking about many thousands of votes here, just in Cleveland alone. It could be that we got a horrific turnout, far worse than our expectations. But it could also be that people showed up and there was massive voter suppression, a massive compaign to challenge voters in these precincts, and/or a massive compaign to force voters into using unaudited (and therefore easily "lost") provisional ballots because of challenges, machine malfunctions, etc. Whatever the case may be, we had a HUGE shortfall of votes from Cuyahoga County and Cleveland in particular--literally tens and tens of thousands less than expected--and we need to see if we can find out why."

Post #28
"Cleveland 6C, 7.1% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 45-1
Cleveland 13D, 13.05% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 207-42
Cleveland 13F, 19.6% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 156-4
Cleveland 13O, 21.01% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 44-5
Cleveland 6B, 21.8% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 82-4
Cleveland 10L, 24.72% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 207-7
Cleveland 6D, 28.43% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 127-5
Cleveland 5C, 28.97% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 195-29
Cleveland 7V, 29.25% turnout, counted votes favor Kerry 249-33

and the list goes on and on..."

Look at those turnouts, people reportedly waiting in line for 3-4 hours, with that puny record of votes?



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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:47 PM
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53. Here is some information:
IN FLORIDA, THE REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE’S OFFICE HAS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTES FOR PRESIDENT EXCEEDING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTERS WHO VOTED FOR NUMEROUS FLORIDA COUNTIES. FOR EXAMPLE:

Collier County

Voter Turnout was 127,409. 128,352 votes were cast for president.

Duval County

Voter Turnout was 379,257. 379,614 votes were cast for president.

Broward County

Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone . . . down.
Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward. Why a voting system would be designed to count backward was a mystery to Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman. She was on the phone late Wednesday with Omaha-based Elections Systems and Software.

Glades County

Voter Turnout was 3,446. 4,188 votes were cast for president.

Highlands County

Voter Turnout was 33,996. 41,491 votes were cast for president.

Lake County

Voter Turnout was 123,751. 123,938 votes were cast for president.

Miami Dade County

Voter Turnout was 716,574. 768,553 votes were cast for president.

Okaloosa County

Voter Turnout was 89,485. 89,707 votes were cast for president.

Orange County

Voter Turnout was 386,104. 387,752 votes were cast for president.

Osceola County

Voter Turnout was 63,589. 82,178 votes were cast for president.

Leon County

Voter Turnout was 136229. 136,314 votes were cast for president.

Palm Beach County

Voter Turnout was 452,061. 542,835 votes were cast for president.

Volusia County

Voter Turnout was 209,052. 228,358 votes were cast for president. (credit to http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm#FL)



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rhosgobel Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #53
97. Detailed Florida overvote data ...
I've posted voter turnout vs. presidential votes cast for all Florida counties as of Sunday night; overall there were 250,000+ excess votes recorded (but they have updated their data since then).

http://rhosgobel.blogspot.com/2004/11/florida-election-turnout-vs.html

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:56 PM
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54. One point I wanted to make is this: Whether or not fraud occurred, we have
to get to the bottom of these irregularities.

One of three things will happen.

1. We'll have a restored faith in the system after an investigation proves it to be sound.

2. We'll show that the system is in need of repair and get crackin' on improvements for 2006.

3. We'll find out that the system was vulnerable to fraud and people took advantage of that.

NO MATTER THE SCENARIO, WE NEED TO KNOW!

I have had several people tell me personally "that's it, I'm not voting anymore!" Can WE Democrats afford that? The Republicans won't be discouraged WE WILL.

Please tell Mr. Kerry and his team of advisor's that this issue goes beyond JOHN KERRY, it's about our Democracy and our faith in the process.

Thank YOU.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:24 PM
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74. Exactly and we need to frame the issue this way.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:28 PM
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76. Agreed. How we frame this is KEY.
:hi:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:33 PM
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77. It isn't about John Kerry. It is about the integrity of our systems and
the voters having faith in the validity of our elections. We need to downplay the partisan angle.

The people thinking their votes don't matter because the fix is in is so incredibly damaging especially if people are being asked to wait hours and hours to vote.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. You said it. That's how this should be presented to Kerry/the DNC and any
one who listens.

And, as you said, it really should be a "bi-partisian" issue. ;)

Do you want to start a thread about "framing the issue" or should I?

I think we all need to be on the same page when we contact our reps and Kerry's office etc... :hi:
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:36 AM
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92. agreed. eom.
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MileHiStealth Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:03 PM
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55. OMG ... Just watched "Votergate"
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:03 PM
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56. TruthIsAll has your executive summary
in the post that Will Pitt excerpted on Truthout. Please PM him if you can.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:05 PM
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57. Cameron Kerry posted on Buzzflash and asked for all
information to go to vri@dnc.org

Here is the link to his post on Buzzflash.

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04089.html
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:16 PM
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60. I sent the URL to this thread to them via email
:kick:
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:42 PM
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69. Great. I thought about doing that but I didn't know if
that was allowed.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #57
85. right. this is a different matter.
This is a letter going directly to JK and his immediate team through a personal contact.

But all the amazing info aggregated in this thread should be forwarded to CK as well.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:09 PM
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58. ZOGBY - send them this
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:11 PM
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59. Some GREAT Links here!!!
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 10:31 PM by mzmolly
Check this out, AMAZING RESOURCE: "2004 COLLECTED VOTE FRAUD STORIES." This one link would probably be all you need.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html


"Possible evidence of voter fraud in Ohio"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/031104fraudinohio.htm

Excellent resource here! Scroll down for MANY LINKS.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html

Tons of links here! See "NEWS ITEMS."
http://images.blogads.com/bnfsjdbcmphtubsqpxfsofu/americablogpremiumsponsor/3208440/readmore?r=3&d=http://www.BradBlog.com?

Thanks for asking for our input. :hi:

Please keep us posted! Let us know how your meeting goes regardless of the outcome. You may not have answers tomorrow, but I'm glad you have an ear.

I am certain the links I've provided will be sufficient, and I hope you get even more.

I'd be glad to help in any way you need, PM if you like. :)

PLEASE LET US KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'D LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU WANT ALL OHIO FRAUD STORIES SEPERATE FROM FLORIDA? If you want titles to each link instead of links to links as I've provided, that's fine too. :hi:

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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #59
91. thank you!! I am sorting now
(And I don't have a personal meeting with John Kerry, I am just passing this all of this to someone who will get this to him today, and coming from this person it will be read and considered.). Who knows? Maybe we are offering some new information. All of the coverage on this is happening on the internet on the websites like this one, and you have to know where to look.

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #91
99. Thanks, and sorry for the confusion. Also thanks for framing it in a
voter confidence manner. :hi:

We can't prove fraud right now, but we can prove people are concerned and that in and of itself merits action by Mr. Kerry.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:18 PM
Response to Original message
61. Summary of TruthIsAll's posts
is here, and it cuts through the briar patch of statistics brilliantly:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x34663
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:20 PM
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62. Zogby is trying to salvage his rep, he is on this too
He has an article that sums it up

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10385

Also, Randi Rhodes has some good stuff on her web site.
http://www.therandirhodesshow.com

Good luck

Pmail mzmolly and Truthisall
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:24 PM
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63. also, check out this thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=26421

==============================
Calling all DUers - My husband is a Ph.D. statistician and (professor). After looking at the paper/non-paper graphs on the front page, he would like to do a statistical study to determine whether fraud has occurred or not. He is widely published. If he finds interesting and statistically significant findings, we plan on contacting the media (I am a retired Ph.D. prof).

What we need from you: any websites that can help us collect the data. Any online sources, ideas, anything that may help.

=============================

They were provided a lot of links and resources and they have been working on it since the 6th. Pmail or email annerevere


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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:30 PM
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64. Count Me In!!
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 11:22 PM by ChiciB1
I've watched Keith Olbermann for the past 2 nights, the ONLY Media person who has even bothered to make any mention of what we are feeling out here! What can I do to help?? I've been working for DAYS and DAYS to get this message out!!

I also want to call for a HUGE PROTEST RALLY in Washington D.C. before the Inaugural if nothing happens! I live in Florida and my daughter and I will come to Washington with BELLS on!! There are others here in Sarasota County (home of Cruella, The Witch) who will come with us!!

Is there some way I can get on a list to keep up with this?? I WANT, NEED, HAVE TO HAVE... ACTION!! I'm so so READY to KICK!!

I've been posting EVERYWHERE to get something started!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. I think I'd remove your personal email? Try sending a Private Message
by clicking on the note icon of the original poster.

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #65
73. How Do I Remove It?
I didn't think it would be a problem, but perhaps you're right. How do I remove my email address when it's already posted?
Thanks, I'll try to delete it right now in my own way, but I may not do it right.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #65
75. THANKS....
I FIGURED IT OUT!
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:36 PM
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66. Here's a couple...I like ideamouth's
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:45 PM
Response to Original message
70. New Hampshire Voter Fraud Study
Can be found at: www.invisibleida.com -- contact me for details if you need them. :)
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #70
96. Ida, is your site down? I linked to it before elsewhere and now
can't get it.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #96
100. Still working -- try this link --
www.invisibleida.com -- in case I spelled it wrong. If you need, I can e-mail you the information. :) Best, Ida
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:38 PM
Response to Original message
79. How about this little movie? he owes these people:
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 11:39 PM by robbedvoter
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Spera Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:29 AM
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80. Exit poll accuracy in states w/ paper ballots vs. e-voting.
I've not read all the replies yet so forgive me if this has already been posted, but I think the graphs presented here (http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4175) are especially compelling because the manner in which they illustrate the correlation is both visually striking and easy to understand. Good luck, and thank you for doing this.
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BurlingtonPatriot Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:47 AM
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83. What about New Mexico?
Voter fraud uncovered in New Mexico

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20041109-010659-3448r.htm

Washington, DC, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- Observers watching the counting of New Mexico's 2004 provisional and absentee ballots have uncovered evidence of voter fraud, Opinion Journal said Tuesday

O.J. political diarist John Fund said the Bernalillo County clerk "told media outlets that observers had discovered instances of voter fraud" during the attempt to qualify 18,000 provisional and absentee ballots cast in last week's presidential election.

"In counting the first 5,000 provisional ballots," Fund reported, "observers turned up 53 instances of individuals voting more than once. They also found four voters who were dead and dozens of felons attempting to vote. In two cases, the same individual tried to vote three times: early, absentee and on Election Day."

The issue is not likely to die a quiet death. New Mexico Secretary of State Rebecca Vigil-Giron asked the state supreme court Monday to overturn a lower court ruling allowing Republican observers into the polls in Sandoval and Dona Ana counties. Vigil-Giron, a Democrat and elected official, is also seeking permission to evict the observers the Bernalillo County clerk allowed in to watch the counting, contending that New Mexico law does not provide for observers to be part of the review process.

President Bush currently leads in New Mexico, a state he lost by 366 votes in 2000 after a disputed vote count. In the 2004 count, Bush is ahead by 8,300 votes, or about 1 percent.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:08 AM
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89. Kick it up n/t
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:37 AM
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93. http://www.bayoubuzz.com/boards/philboard_read.asp?id=835
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:46 AM
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95. LATE BREAKING VERY IMPORTANT - EXIT POLL ANALYSIS FOR 47 STATES
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36314

A Must Read ** Breakthrough ** – EXIT POLL ANALYSIS FOR 47 STATES

The following comes via a friend of GregD's - he only has one post so far – this one…. So I am posting it to a new thread. It deserves it. The following t is in short MIND BLOWINGLY USEFUL. It takes TIA and Faun Otter's initial analysis of the Exit Poll data to another level of sophistication and depth. It is a must read for everybody on this forum.

Please keep this kicked and say hello to new DUer JS

Al

**********

To Those Who Seek Information As A Basis For Action Regarding Bush's "Victory":



I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote tabulations as reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll results in 47 states, incl. D.C. (in 4 states—NJ,NY,NC,VA—I did not have early exit poll results available, and the later results had already been amended to reflect input of actual vote totals, which rendered them corrupt as exit polls and useless for the purpose of checking the veracity of actual vote totals).

I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum of states, but the shift was significantly nonuniform.

Having divided the 47 states examined into two groups, 35 noncritical states and 12 critical or suspect states (Nebraska included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies even though not a battleground state), I calculated that the average discrepancy in the 35 safe states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of the vote totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what the exit polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%). In the 12 critical states (CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a 2.5% red shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe states. This in spite of the fact that the average sample size in the critical states was nearly twice that in the noncritical states and should have produced significantly more accurate results.

Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence interval for each state poll (the standard Mitofksy protocol, but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes were significantly increased in critical states), the red shift exceeded the margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical states (and equalled it in a fifth). The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of "mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation and is approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data, but basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty that "mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.

Full Data and moer discussion here…

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36314

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:03 PM
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98. I'm passing along a message I received - (long)
EVIDENCE OF VOTE FRAUD COMPILED BY BERKELEY PHD
Nodehopper please pass this on!


1. Diebold and ES&S Deliver Votes for Bush in Florida & Ohio 2004

At the top of the page is a comparison of % votes cast for Republican
Presidential candidate and % votes cast for Republican Senate candidate
in
all Florida counties.

Scroll down the page to see an excellent analysis of differences in
voting
pattern between Florida counties using voting machines from different
companies ­ compares Diebold and ES&S (both Republican Œowned¹) and
Sequoia
Systems. Much less information about Ohio available, but results are
similar
to Florida pattern. In Florida on Diebold machines Bush takes 55.13% of
the
votes to Kerry's 44.17% and on ES&S machines Bush takes 52.11% of the
vote
as compared to Kerry's 46.99%. In comparison votes tallied on Sequoia
machines show Kerry with 51.78% of the vote and Bush with 47.47%.
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/

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2. A suspicious pattern of Republican upsets in Diebold Voting Machine
states in past elections:

Poll by Atlanta Journal Constitution on Nov. 1 for Georgia Senate
revealed
Cleland (D) over Chambliss ( R ) by 5%. Results from Diebold Electronic
Voting Machines' on Nov. 5: Max Cleland (D) 46%; Saxby Chambliss 53%.

Poll by Atlanta Journal Constitution/WSB-TV of 800 likely voters on
Nov. 1
For Georgia Governor: Roy Barnes (D) over Sonny Perdue (R) by 11%.
Results
from Diebold Electronic Voting Machines' Nov. 5: Roy Barnes (D) 46%;
Sonny
Perdue (R) 51%.

Minneapolis Star-Tribune Poll on Nov. 3 for Minnesota Senate: Walter
Mondale
(D) over Norm Coleman by 5%. Results from Diebold Electronic Voting
Machines
Nov. 5: Norm Coleman (R) 50%; Walter Mondale (D) 47%.

Poll by MSNBC/Zogby on Nov. 3 for Colorado Senate: Strickland (D) over
Allard by 9%. Results from Diebold Electronic Voting Machines' Nov. 5:
Tom
Strickland (D) 46%; Wayne Allard (R) 51%

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3. Third party candidates do remarkably (suspiciously) well

Lucas County, Ohio (2004): With 6.05% of precincts reporting the
Official
Ohio Election site shows David Cobb with 4,685 votes; George Bush with
1,917
votes, and John Kerry with 0 votes. With 100% of precincts reporting
the
Official Ohio Election site shows John Kerry with 128,874 votes; George
Bush
with 85,405 votes; and David Cobb with 0 votes.

Hamilton County, Ohio (2004): With 11.25% of precincts reporting David
Cobb
has 39,541 votes, John Kerry has 39,541 votes, and George Bush has
34,801
votes. The Official Ohio Election site shows (with 100% of precincts
reporting) that George Bush leads with 215,639 votes; John Kerry has
190,956
votes; and David Cobb has 0 votes.
< http://www.oliverwillis.com/node/view/1152 >

Calfornia (2003): Figures show a skim of votes from top D candidate to
people who were unlikely to affect the outcome.
added
all
the votes cast/counted on Diebold equipment for each candidate and
expressed
it as a percentage of their total votes cast state wide. Counties using
Diebold equipment: Alameda, Plumas, Fresno, Humboldt, Kern, Lassen,
Marin,
Placer, San Joaquin, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Trinity, Tulare.
These
counties are spread fairly evenly across the state and include both
urban
and rural counties.

17.89% of the total votes cast in the California state election were
cast on
Diebold equipment. Alls things being equal each candidate should
receive
about 16-18% of their vote total from the Diebold machines. The two
major
candidates (Schwarzenegger - 16.83% & Bustamonte - 18.78%) fit this
profile.
Many other 3rd party candidates do not: Palmieri (68.3%) of his total
vote
on the Diebold equipment; Kunzman received 91.75% of his total vote on
the
Diebold equipment; Sprague (65.10%); Macaluso (39.36%); Price (47.18%);
Quinn (50.8%); Martorana (28%).

< http://www.opednews.com/miller1003_CA_Voting.htm >

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4. Negative Votes Added for Democrats in 2000 & 2004

Could a voting machine be programmed so sloppily that it would report a
value of ­16,022 votes? How about ­25,000?

Florida, 2000: Something very strange happened on election night to
Deborah
Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official of Volusia County. At 10 p.m.,
she
called the county elections department and found that Al Gore was
leading
George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000 votes. But when she checked the
county¹s Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a
startling
development: Gore¹s count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure
Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000 - all because of a single
precinct
with only 600 voters. was
returned to his total -- but not until after CBS called Florida for
Bush.]

Ohio Stolen (blog entry, gnn.tv) 2004-11-03 16:26:30
"Greg Palast and Randi Rhodes reported today that the state of Ohio was
stolen by the Republicans in election 2004. Ohio was the critical state
that
tipped the balance, giving the presidency to Bush. Turns out one County
in
Ohio, equipped with Diebold electronic voting machines, reported
NEGATIVE
25,000 votes. Wha?!? That¹s what at least one election official in Ohio
said. The votes from that County are lost. Not counted. GONE!"

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5. Discrepancies between exit polls and tabulated votes

Jonathan Simon of Alliance for Democracy analyzed the difference
between
exit polls % for each candidate and tabulated votes. Of the 12 critical
(swing) states analyzed, 11 out of 12 show a ³red shift² ­ the
difference
between exit polls and tabulated votes favors Bush by an average of
2.5%. Of
the 35 non-critical states, 26/35 show a ³red shift² ­ by an average of
1.4%
in favor of Bush. Thus, exit polling appears inexplicably to have been
significantly more accurate in nonbattleground states, than in the
states
that were crucial to a Bush victory.

He further notes, "In the group of 12 critical states selected for
analysis,
exit poll vs. tabulated vote shifts exceeded the polls' margin of error
in 4
cases². The probability that one state would exceed the margin of error
is
less than 5% (p<.05). The probability that four states would exceed the
margin of error is about 0.2% of the time in the absence of significant
mistabulation of votes."

<http://www.opednews.com/lestrange_110604_concede.htm>

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6. Fluctuations in election pool results over time ­
improbable/impossible

Ohio (2004): State exit polls reported by CNN at 12:21 a.m. show Kerry
leading Bush by 4%. The number of voters polled = 1,963. At 1:41 a.m.
Bush
was reported to be leading Kerry by 2.5%. Problem? Only 2,020 voters
were
included in the 1:41 a.m. poll results ­ an increase of 57 voters.
Fifty-seven voters (2.8% of 2,020 voters) cannot change an exit poll
result
by 6.5%. Further, based on the results reported at 12:21 a.m. 551 women
reported that they had voted for Kerry. Somehow, by 1:41 am that number
had
changed ­ only 535 women had voted for Kerry.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&f
orum=132&topic_id=1290765&mesg_id=1295180&page>

< http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/11/ana04025.html >


Florida: State exit polls reported by CNN at 8:40 p.m. show Kerry
running
even with Bush (2,846 voters polled). At 1:01 a.m. Bush was leading
Kerry by
4% (2,862 voters polled). Their survey increased by 16 more voters
between
8:40 and 1:01 am (0.55% of respondents) ­ and this produced a 4% swing
for
Bush. < http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE411A.html >

First, Second, Third Election Polls. Even the later (more accurate?)
polls
show Kerry winning Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico,
Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
< http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=386 >

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7. These numbers simply don¹t add up

Reflections on the 2004 Elections, by Alex Satanovsky

In 2000 Al Gore received 51.00 million votes, in 2004 Kerry only
received
55.7 million. A CNN exit poll showed that out of the minority of 3.87
million people who voted for any third party in 2000, 71% voted for
Kerry
this time around. That equals to about 2.75 million voters. So again,
adding this figure to Gore¹s total of 51.00 million in 2000 shows that
Kerry
would have had 53.5 ­ 53.75 million votes in this election regardless
of any
new voter support. Therefore, according to the official results, the
Kerry
campaign was only able to capture no more than 2 million new voters to
get
him to his total of 55.7 million this past election.

On the other hand, President Bush received only 50.45 million votes in
2000,
but now the official results show him having 59.3 million votes.
That¹s
nearly 9 million new voters that turned out for him. Very impressive
isn¹t
it? Remember listening to all the pundits talking about how both sides
are
planning to register new voters? Remember the hundreds of thousands of
new
registrations in urban areas in swing states that were overwhelmingly
concentrated in Democratic strongholds. This was a well-documented
issue
and a cause for concern for the Republicans who consequently insisted
on
challenging voters in urban minority districts. The exit polls didn¹t
exactly show a Kerry landslide among new voters, but they did show him
with
a comfortable 54-45 majority among those who did not vote in 2000.

< http://www-personal.engin.umd.umich.edu/~asatanov/fraud/ >

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8. Cases in which the number of votes does not equal the number of
voters:

Florida, 2004: According to the official election results posted on the
Palm
Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a
presidential
candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election
(including
absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the
presidential candidates.

If you go to the Florida Dept of State Website
<http://enight.dos.state.fl.us> and add up the numbers for yourself, it
looks very strange. Total Number of Voters including Absentees:
7350900.
Total Number of Votes for President: 7588422. Where did they get
237,522
extra votes? It wasn't from the provisionals. There are 9,559
provisional
ballots, and 7,362 have been counted so far.

The 13 counties in Florida that report more votes than voters delivered
39.4% of the votes cast in Florida.
<http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/>

Pennsylvania (2004): Lark cited statistics collected by a poll worker
at the
Farrell municipal building poll, which showed the voting machine
recorded
that 289 people cast ballots. The machine, however, recorded a total of
48
votes for U.S. Sen. John Kerry and three votes for George W. Bush in
the
presidential race. Lark said he finds it difficult to believe that only
51
people out of the 289 who voted actually cast a ballot in the
presidential
race. The end of the ballot contained a municipal consolidation issue,
and
the machine showed that 240 people cast a ballot on that item, he said.
Even
the county's Web site appeared to show a similar conflict, reporting
that 51,818 people cast ballots but 47,768 ballots were recorded in the
presidential race, including 61 write-ins. It would appear that about
4,000
votes could be unaccounted for.
< http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/288078640794824.php >

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9. Discrepancies between voting pattern for president & other
races/issues

The Kerry-Salazar Divide (2004) - In Colorado, Democrat Salazar has
1,023,803 votes while Republican Pete Coors received 944,520. Bush
supposedly got 1,058,040 while Kerry received 944,052 votes.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&ad
dress=104x2630748>

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10. Discrepancies between voter registration and voting pattern - look
further than the "Dixiecrat explanation" -- why do Dixiecrats voting on
Optical Scans show a bias toward Bush, when Dixiecrats voting on
E-Voting
machines don't?

In Florida, small counties with Optiscan voted overwhelming for Bush
completely at odds with registration. In Baker County, for example,
with
12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them
Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the
opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where
registered
Democrats largely voted for Kerry. In Dixie County, with 4,988
registered
voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as
Republicans,
only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush. The
pattern
repeats over and over again - but only in the smaller counties.

The first graphs:
http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm

Several additional graphs:
http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm

Statistically significant interaction between type of machine & votes
cast
for Kerry/Bush: http://blog.democrats.com/florida

Scatterplots & more statistical analyses:
http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm
http://stolenelection2004.com/Florida.htm

NOT CONSIDERED BY ABC-NEWS article:
In Duval Co. Fl 219,251 votes for Bush, only 190,111 registered
Republicans
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&addres
s=201x1709>

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11. Flawed Machines ­ Glitches or Fraud?

Ohio, 2004: Franklin County (Gahanna) gave Bush 3,893 extra votes.
Records
indicated that only 638 voters cast ballots in the precinct and that
Bush's
total should have been recorded as 365.

Ohio, 2004: Miami County, with 100% of the precincts reporting at 9am
Bush
had 65.80% of the votes and Kerry had 33.92%. Inexplicably, nearly
19,000
new ballots were added after all precincts reported, boosting Bush¹s
vote to
33,039 (65.77%) to Kerry¹s 17,039 (33.92%).
< http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983 >

North Carolina 2004: In Craven County the rush to make right a
miscalculation swelled the number of votes for president here by 11,283
more
votes than the total number cast.

North Carolina 2004: Election difficulties also were reported in a
number of
other North Carolina counties, including nearby Carteret, where 4,530
early
votes were irretrievably lost.

Nebraska 2004: In Sarpy County Johnny Boykin lost his bid to be on the
Papillion City Council. The difference between victory and defeat in
the
race was 127 votes. Boykin says, "When I went in to work the next day
and
saw that 3,342 people had shown up to vote in our ward, I thought
something's not right." He's right. There are not even 3,000 people
registered to vote in his ward.
< http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html >

Indiana, 2004: In LaPorte the first 2-3 printouts from individual
precinct
reports all listed exactly 300 voters. It is odd that they numbers were
identical. Even more this means that the total number of voters would
be
22,200 although there were 79,000 registered voters and turn out was
good.
< http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/news02.txt >

Indiana, 2004: Voting machines in 15 Indiana
counties
are programmed improperly and may yield incorrect vote totals in county
council races today, the secretary of state's office said.
< http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/191246-7751-P.html >

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12. The National Election Pool ­ Unlike any exit poll I ever imagined

The Voter News Service (VNS) has provided accurate election poll
results for
state and national races for decades. (It even correctly called Florida
for
Gore in 2000). It was disbanded after the 2002 election. Its functions
were
assumed by the National Election Pool (NEP) comprised of the AP and
Edison/Mitofsky.

According to one source: Edison Media Research has a direct connection
to
county election results across the country via computer modems. Exit
poll
results were combined with (and thus contaminated by) vote tabulations.

Edison/Mitofsky will conduct exit polls in all 50 states and the
District of
Columbia. In addition, it will collect the vote count in sample
precincts.
From the exit polls it will provide analytical tabulations of vote. It
will
make projections, where possible, from the exit polls, from the vote
returns
and from the county vote tabulations for President, Senate, Governor
and
selected state referenda and initiatives.

< http://www.exit-poll.net/faq.html >

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13. Explaining the Discrepancy between election poll results &
tabulated
votes

THOSE FAULTY EXIT POLLS WERE SABOTAGE - According to Dick Morris
(Republican
Strategist) "Exit polls are almost never wrong... So reliable are the
surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that
they
are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World
countries... But this Tuesday, the networks did get the exit polls
wrong.
Not just some of them. They got all of the Bush states wrong. So,
according
to ABC-TV¹s exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida,
Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa, all of which Bush carried.
The
only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which
the
president won by 10 points. To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To
miss
six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how pollsters
could be
that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error
was at
play here. ...the possibility of biased exit polling, deliberately
manipulated to try to chill the Bush turnout, must be seriously
considered.
This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the
board as
they were on election night. I suspect foul play.
< http://www.thehill.com/morris/110404.aspx >

THE POLLING: REPORT SAYS SAMPLING LED TO SKEWED DATA. The new $10
million
polling system used by many news organizations to predict the outcome
of the
presidential race had a number of problems that led to the early
erroneous
impression that John Kerry was heading for victory, according to a
report
prepared by the system's architects. Since Tuesday, the networks have
played
down errors caused by the system. "The last wave of national exit polls
we
received, along with many other subscribers, showed Kerry winning the
popular vote by 51 percent to 48 percent, if true, surely enough to
carry
the Electoral College,'' Steve Coll, managing editor of The Washington
Post,
wrote in an online chat with readers Wednesday.
< http://nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics/campaign/05poll.... >

EVIDENCE OF A SECOND BUSH COUP? The author, Robert Parry, broke many of
the
Iran-Contra stories in1980s for AP and Newsweek. But the most
perplexing
fact is that exit polls into the evening of Nov. 2 showed Kerry rolling
to a
clear victory nationally and carrying most of the battleground states,
including Florida and Ohio, whose totals would have ensured Kerry¹s
victory
in the Electoral College. *Significantly, polls also showed Republicans
carrying the bulk of the tight Senate races. However, when the official
results were tallied, the presidential exit polls proved wrong while
the
Senate polls proved right.* Again - The author, Robert Parry, broke
many of
the Iran-Contra stories in1980s for AP and Newsweek.
< http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html >

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14. Election by embezzlement ­ voter suppression + vote hacking = ?

Will provide info on voter suppression here. In the meantime, Check
Democracy South.

³Twelve Ways Bush is now Stealing the Ohio Vote²
(http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/810)

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15. HOW to hack the vote

For those of you who do not know - data (ie votes) from the Diebold and
ES&S
touchscreen E-Voting machines and Optiscan machines are sent via modem
to
a "central tabulation machine" - an ordinary PC. The precinct
supervisor
sees the results displayed on a normal computer monitor screen -- but
behind this "pretty picture" lies the program that makes it work: a
simple
conventional Microsoft Access Database program which can easily be
entered
via the "Start" button (then "Programs" ....etc...) in person or
"remotely".
These machines were used in 80% of the US. A few clicks and you are
into
Access and can pull up the votes tabulated database and then by
cutting/pasting you can change votes from one candidate to the other.
Click
below to watch a demonstration with Howard Dean that appeared on
nationally
syndicated TV show "Voter Gate - The Movie."

Votergate: The Movie is at http://www.votergate.org

Diebold GEMS Central Tabulator Contains Stunning Security Hole
http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-30.htm

The Theft of Your Vote Is Just a Chip Away
http://www.alternet.org/story/16474

Hacking the Presidency
http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=100&mod

Evoting News & Analysis from the Experts
http://www.evoting-experts.com/

November Surprise
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/2004/NovSurprise.htm

The Case of the Diebold FTP Site
http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/dieboldftp.html

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16. Please DO Something ­ TODAY!

E-Voting News & Analysis at http://www.evoting-experts.com/

Contact Black Box Voting at http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Contact Mark Crispin Miller at NYU.

Help Black Box Voting ­ 5 Things you can do immediately
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&ad
dress=104x2636130>

Contact the Kerry campaign and Democratic National Committee - urge
them to
count/recount votes!

Good links at < http://www.bloomington.in.us/~pfc/elections04.html >
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