I think we have to prove they stole house and senate

[dogindia]

for multiple years as well.

I don't know that is possible but it is something to think about.

[elehhhhna]

1. Stolen or not they've abused the hell out of it.

[Stevepol]

2. Yes, it has happened and will continue to happen

as long as the voting machines are counting the votes. I'm convinced that Mondale lost in MN in 02 because of the scanners. If there had been required audits I believe they would have shown the fraud. Max Cleland even more clearly won in GA in 02 but was defrauded of his victory by Diebold touchscreens. I'm sure there were other seats across the country where the same machine fraud took place. This happened on a larger scale in 04. It will happen on a slightly larger scale in 06 and will continue for as long as the machines continue to count the votes without being challenged thru required audit and recount.

How to prove it? Required audits would prove it, if the audits were conducted fairly and included the counties or precincts with the most suspicious results as well as the randomly selected precincts.

Barring recounts and audits, the only way to prove it would be for one or more of the people who know who's doing it and how it's being done to blow the whistle. I doubt that will ever happen.

[shraby]

4. Since they literally threw out over a hundred

whistleblowers complaints, how do we know whistleblowers haven't come forth already?

[merh]

14. Weren't those EPA whistleblowers?

:shrug:

[garybeck]

3. I think the Geogia folks

are working on preseving the audit logs from the 2002 Max Cleland race. That should be interesting.

I don't think they have to prove all the seats and races. If they can crack one case open, it is a pandora's box.

any one case that ties electronic voting to a fraudulent election will be the "crack" we need. keep hoping (and praying) it happens.

[Peace Patriot]

5. Opinion poll numbers keep showing widespread opposition by...

...the American people to Bush Cartel policy. Nearly 60% of Americans STILL oppose the Iraq war, now, today. 63% (!) oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. And Bush's approval ratings remain dismal, and have been since before the election, and fell to 48% (!) on his Inauguration Day--unprecedented disapproval for a recently "elected" 2nd term president.

Yet Congress keeps shoveling money and troops over to Iraq, and just approved Condoleeza Rice--one of the chief architects of that disastrous war--as Sec of State, and Alberto Gonzales--the chief architect of Bush's illegal torture policy--as head of US law enforcement (!).

Clearly, the majority of Americans ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED in Congress (or anywhere else in the Fed gov't).

You don't have to prove that many of them were elected fraudulently. It's blatantly obvious. But, yes, it would be great to be able to pin it down and prove it was the electronic voting machines. It would help us get rid of them. That these machines are run on secret, proprietary source code, controlled by partisans of the Bush regime--and that no Democratic leader that I know of has said one word about this--seems incredible to me. It never should have happened. Blatant, obvious, egregiously fraud. YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ELECTION WHERE ONE PARTY HAS STEALTHY CONTROL OF THE VOTING MACHINERY! IT. IS. NOT. AN. ELECTION.

[WhirlyGirl]

6. It is VERY SMART to be focusing on this...

... since in many ways the legislature is more important than the presidency -- and since it's not sexy enough for the media to care about.

[banishbush]

9. If Jeff Gannon/Guckert/Bulldog

is not sexy enough for the media either. What will it take?

[Independent_Liberal]

7. I knew it all along...Another nail in the coffin!

I had a feeling about this for a long time. I was pretty certain there were some fraudulent senate wins in the 2004 race. Slimy bastards are highjacking our government.

We have another good case to go on. The Truth: We have a decent progressive congress. It's being silenced by FRAUD!

I remembered the Cleland case. That should help break this wide open and the dominoes will fall. The idea that these people represent the majority of Americans is a sham.

Lets keep working at the state and local level and then we can start cleaning house.

Then all I can say is, "Prosecute! Prosecute! Prosecute!" Fraud, stealing, lying, treason, murder, torture, etc. The whole nine yards.

Now... can you say "Articles of Impeachment"?

:)

[emcguffie]

8. you are right , IMHO n/t

[L. Coyote]

10. The Florida Senate race is a good place to begin. It was close and

there are some very questionable statistics in Florida.

How about this one? The correlation between % Democrats and votes for Betty Castor. It is 0.744 for Op-Scan counties and 0.073 for E-touch counties.

Compare the correlations with the Bush change from 2000 to 2004 with the candidate results in 2004:


There are significant differences by voting type.

More graphs, correlations, and data in the Florida spreadsheet.

And noone has investigated South Dakota in detail. What about the Thune change from 2002 to 2004? Talk about a useful stat!!

[bywho4who]

11. That ought to be

easy seeing how they can turn the army you own against you

[emlev]

12. People interested in working on this please PM me

I can help you get started and coordinated with others.

Please tell me if you have a preference about which state to work on and what your skills are that could be put to use in this project. If you think you don't have any skills, tell me what you enjoy doing.

[Last Lemming]

13. Don't forget another potential tool

to manipulate the electoral process--targetted assassinations