AAR news: Kerry to us: "shut up about fraud!"

[robbedvoter]

AAR news:" Kerry continues to discourage speculations that he was defeated because of voting fraud"

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Clark/Dean 04' was my FIRST choice! Thanks John, you are really....

such a fighter. How strong is Kerry, really? He allowed the Swiftboat Lying Rethug Nazis to smear him for a month without a rebuttal and now this!

:wtf:

Wes Clark in 2008!

:dem:

[genius]

54. Is Kerry a shill for Bush. It seems like his goal is to make Bush Pres

Kerry won and he doesn't want it.

[Revolutionary Mama]

71. Many of us believed he was a shill all along

A lot of us tried to warn as many Democrats as we could not to pick Kerry to run against Bush. We checked him out, just as we did all the others, but Kerry supporters refused to listen. Most supporters of other Democrat candidates ignored us, or listened during the primaries, but conveniently forgot everything we said after someone decided to tell Dems to rally behind Kerry before the primaries ever ended.

We warned Democrats to pick a candidate of outstanding character. Pity, most Dems ate the DLC "War Hero" bait. Who dropped the baited hook, anyway? Look to the DLC to figure out that one.

Just because Kerry talked up some issues, didn't mean he was serious about fighting for Americans like the elderly. He didn't seem to take anything about his campaign seriously enough until his war era record was slammed. Kerry's reaction to the Swifties was probably more out of pride and a natural reaction anyone would get when falsely accused.

Democrats need to stop trusting aristocrats, especially ones with questionable connections and motives. Otherwise, this party doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[Jack_Dawson]

59. This Election was OVER after New Hampshire

Kerry's got no stones. Wes and Howard, now that's different.

[Rawls vs Nozick]

2. AAR news is what?

What is "AAR News"?

-RvN-

[cjbuchanan]

6. Air America Radio

;)

[Zinfandel]

10. http://www.airamericaradio.com/

[goddess40]

3. Note to Al Franken, Kerry can use the advice too

What the hell is your problem, it's real easy for you "wealthy guys" to roll over and announce Bush the winner - you've nothing to lose. At least not like the rest of us average Joes and Janes. Rich people can buy justice, fly out of the country for abortions, move out all together if the fascism gets too bad. My family and I don't have that choice, we are stuck here our kids are going to be sucked into the vortex of hate and war that that asshole started with his lies.
We all knew that the republicans were going to attempt to steal this election, they are after all the party where the ends always justify the means. It isn't some high school football game that we get to play over in 4 years and life goes on the same inbetween. People are going to lose their lively hoods, their homes and their lives if this asshole and his collective henchmen remain in office and it's even worse because they didn't earn it nor did they win it.
If we roll over, and if our little sliver of media rolls over it won't be worth running the election in 2008 because by then their fraud machine will be even bigger.
Throw us a bone Al we need you to fight for us and not leave us for the buzzards to pick the little bit of meat left off our bones.

[nolabels]

50. Oh yea, sure you must of listened to some of it, didn't you?

I listened to like the first ten minutes and got too angry and had to turn it off. I was about ready to :puke: as the guy billed as knowing John Kerry better than his mother(R.I.P.)went on with his spiel. It was just nauseating

The new spin he was coming out with was that us progressive (or what ever you believe your self to be) will have plenty ammo to critique the republicans with and they will have to listen. This moron should have been taking notes for the last four years (or forty years as far that goes).

Just a little note to this right hand man. THEY ARE NOT LISTENING AND THEY NEVER EVER WILL LISTEN, and so now we also listened to you but you have no answers, just more spin. You should take a good hike, because the back of bus is long way back :hi:

[hlthe2b]

58. my feelings exactly... I'm angry at Al and all who discount the impact

of this election, as though it were just a disappointment but we should be pleased it was "so close."

I cry for the poor tormented man who took his life at the WTC upon hearing that Bush* was reelected.

I cry for others who will suffer and have run out of hope....Many were LIVING for November 2. THAT was their hope and it has been taken away.

[dennis4868]

60. Many were LIVING for November 2

My trust in the american people died that day....physically I am alive...but I feel dead....I needed Kerry to win for my kids and neighbors (even if my neighbors were for Bush).

A country cannot stand by and support a man who lied to the american people to get a war that was totally not necessary and now thousands are dead...how could America put a rubber stamp of approval on this criminal action?

[HEAVYHEART]

61. I'm with you on this..

[Revolutionary Mama]

73. Amen! Dennis!

Also, I am appalled by the amount of apathetic acceptance by many (not necessarily as obvious here as it is in other circles I've checked out). Sure, I see quite a number of people here showing the outrage and determination to fight the obvious fraud that took place.

But I also see signs of may Democrats and alternatives, even some Republicans fed up with BushCo, ready to head to Canada.

No patriotic American abandons this nation in a time of need, such as this. I'm willing to put my life and freedom on the line to fight this mess. Is anyone else?

BUSH DID NOT WIN!!!!

He has never been elected to be our president.

[mzmolly]

4. I'd need a specific quote from Kerry first. Second, I don't care if

he believes it was fraud or not. WE can pursue it without his blessing.

[hippiechick]

8. yes but do we really want him inaugurated ??

:shrug: He's not acting like someone I'd want as President ...


:hippie:

[robbedvoter]

13. No real danger of that. The objective is to prove ABB won, we are a

majority, we need to get election back! Kerry has no authority to give away my right to vote.

[mzmolly]

52. No, course not, lets keep BUSH!

:eyes:

Like I said, no quote .. no believe it.

[Ducks In A Row]

57. if all it does is keep bush from appointing Supreme Court judges

I'm willing to let that loser be prez.

[Revolutionary Mama]

76. I never wanted him for Prez, but...

I decided, for the first time in 20 years, not to vote my conscience. Dems picked Kerry...So, I started thinking, "What if Kerry replaces Bush...How can we keep him from serving all the wrong interests at our expense?"

I had a lot of great ideas. I won't publicize them, because we never know who reads these posts.

[Helga Scow Stern]

62. I totally agree that the important issue is our democracy...

If Kerry or anyone else has violated our trust by the time this is settled--and we will see that it is settled--they will have to suffer the consequences then. I prefer to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt until that time, since we have enough anger as it is...But, if he has let us down, he will pay. It is just way too early to say. It works to our advantage to have him out of the picture at this stage. So let's focus on what has already happened before we run off into the future.
There's a new sheriff in town, and we are it. We are too big to shut up or intimidate or even fool, for long. As long as we can communicate.

[rodeodance]

72. kerry interview this afternoon (short clip).

i posted this elsewhere this afternoon.
there was a short clip on Wolfe Blitzer this afternoon.
Kerry in an interview had returned to his office. He said 54 million people set a clear agenda for the Dems--stem cell reseach, etc (I forget all he said). But he said nothing about the elections in this clip.

[Revolutionary Mama]

79. He said nothing about the elections, because...

To borrow a catch-phrase Kerry used a lot, John Kerry "TOOK HIS EYE OFF THE BALL!"

Deliberately!

I contend that John $Forbes$ Kerry is hoping that we'll conveniently take our eyes off the election fraud ball. Perhaps, he hopes that if he changes the subject to something like, issues not directly related to the elections process, we'll fall into the typical Americans "short-term memory" trap and forget about the fraud that took place and his refusal to fight for democracy.

We must not "take our eyes off the ball." Let's tell Kerry, "You took your eyes off the election fraud ball, but we didn't and we never will. Justice will be served, one way, or another. Domestic enemies will be held accountable for violating our democratic rights."

[roguevalley]

5. why do I get a picture of him standing in a huddle, his fingers

jammed into his ears why he yells, "THERE AIN'T NO FRAUD!" over and over? The more I hear this, the more pissed I get. If I had known he was going to fold his tents this easily, I wouldn't have stood at my poll November 2 for fifteen hours to see that nothing happened.

He wants my vote in 2008? Not likely. If laws and elections don't matter now, then we're over as a country. Seems to me that he don't want a 'soreloserman' tag around his neck. Might hurt his repositioning effort. I am so disappointed.

[Ruby Romaine]

7. was this the joke news or the real news?- they do both you know!

[disenfranchised]

11. It sounded real.

[robbedvoter]

14. The 3 o clock news

[oregonjen]

9. Or could it be "Shut up you guys, so I can investigate!"

Maybe he doesn't want the media all over him.

[hippiechick]

Enough of that already !

Gawd, the man himself refuses to even HINT that there was voter fraud, yet some people here are so far in the depths of self-delusion that they think he's got some big fucking secret ...

What, is he gonna show up on Inauguration Day with Edwards and the Electoral College Members and tell Bush 'Surprise, I won' ??


GIVE ME A BREAK !!! IT'S OVER. WE GOT HOSED BY BOTH SIDES !!!

:hippie:

[Revolutionary Mama]

75. Self-delusionalism is correct.

Gawd, the man himself refuses to even HINT that there was voter fraud, yet some people here are so far in the depths of self-delusion that they think he's got some big fucking secret ...

Exactly! The self-delusions running amok in this party's majority and among the politicians is why so many of us left for an alternative party. This attitude of "Let's pull out an instant excuse/defense for our chosen politician" is part of what is destroying this party's foundation and structure.

I advise anyone stuck in the mud with that kind of thinking to break this pattern. It's self-defeating and destructive for the Democrat party and our country. It's a bad habit that needs to be overcome.

Kerry is an aristocrat. He's a Skull & Bones society member.

Word has it that he and Edwards were provided $45 million bucks in their campaign coffers to use to fight election fraud. If this is true, where is that money? Are they running away with it to spend as they please?

[pk_du]

12. AAR news is from CNN.

same shit as usual from that crowd

[Straight Shooter]

15. Well, speculation is worthless. Gathering evidence is what matters.

Face it, as long as it remains speculation, the right wing and its big media mouths will consider it so.

Gathering evidence is the key, and that is being done. So, instead of bashing John Kerry, let's work at gathering solid, credible evidence, and relating that in letters to editors and our congressional critters.

[grumpy old fart]

21. Yep, Need to Build the Case

No real use screaming fraud until the case is more solid. Whispering it though, is just fine for now. Whenever the truth is laid out in solid indictable form, it will cripple the Chimp for good.

[kayell]

42. Yes, ultimately we're not doing this for Kerry, but for us and for

the future of democracy in this country.

[NMFreedom]

16. Can you please provide the the direct link to this statement by Kerry?

thx

[robbedvoter]

17. It was heard on Air America - 3 o'clock news.

I'm sure it'll be featured in a piece of written news at some point.

[kikiek]

19. I was listening when Franken said it. I don't recall being told to shut up

I took what was said as meaning don't get your hopes up about it.

[newyawker99]

65. Hi NMFreedom!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[George_S]

18. Anyone else hear this?

And did Kerry himself say it?

mp3, please.

[dbonds]

20. Not sure what to believe

But until I see Kerry say it himself I won't believe it, even then it doesn't matter. This is our election, it is not his decision.

[shelley806]

22. I too would like an exact quote. I disbelieve it. n/t

[Copperred]

23. IF THIS IS TRUE>>>IT CONFIRMS HE IS IN ON IT.

KERRY IS IN ON IT.........

[grumpy old fart]

27. Conyers the Key

It ain't over till Rep. Conyers says it is. If you see him suddenly shut up about all this, then we will know the fix is in deep. Kerry's just trying to appear above the fray, "presidential" you might say. At least I hope so.

[rman]

85. which is hardly a surprise

-

[jmc777]

24. Everyone listen to the news at the top of the hour...

....I'm sure they'll repeat it.

[troubleinwinter]

25. Kerry does not do my thinking for me. Nor is he my leader, at this point.

It is MYYYYYYYY democracy at stake.

[John Q. Citizen]

26. Chill out people

This needs to build from the ground up, not from the top down.

What do we have now?

Some strange events, some very conflicting and very suggestive data, and a whole lot of suspician.

Let's focus on getting at the truth about the potential fraud and not expect Daddy to do it for us.

I haven't heard Dean, Clark, Gephardt, Sharpton, Jackson, Nader, Cobb, Gore, or anyone of the say Fraud definatly occured. Does that make them all lackeys? No.

This is our country and our election and we need to get off the dime and find out exactly what happened.

Democracy requires the involvement of the people. If you want Daddy to do it all for you maybe we need a monarchy or some other form of government where we can blame it on someone else or worship someone else.

I think Bush stole the election and I'm working to find out if that's true. I'm also working to change the election system so that we can have a reletively high degree of confidence in the results. Please join me in the effort.

[Stephanie]

37. That's right. And if there was fraud we need criminal prosecutions

and jail sentences. This fight is bigger than John Kerry. And it might not be over before Bush is crowned. But if it happened the way we think it happened then it should lead to some convictions. Overturning Bush's "victory" is not the only goal here.

[ChiciB1]

40. I'M With You... John Q.

Ever since the night of the election I have been at my PC checking out sites, answering mail, signing up for any thing that looks like we can have a protest. I wrote DNC and received a reply giving me a link to Kerry. It's at my other email site and I'll post it after this.

No matter what, we as Democrats CAN'T take this sitting down! I live in Florida!!! Katherine Harris is MY Congressperson!! I've written this so many time in so many places. I WANT A PROTEST of some kind. I'm willing to travel to Washington D.C. and I think the Sunday before the Inauguration would be a FABULOUS time. We need to hurry so we don't have to sleep on blankets on the mall! It's cold up there in January. Florida... not so cold! I have a print-out of quite a few counties and how they voted. Even counties that had registered Dems at 70 percent, gave Bush MORE votes! Touch-screen voting!! It wasn't even a good cover-up! I'll post that site when I get the Kerry one.

[graywarrior]

80. Hey, I'm right up the road in Sarasota!

[Name removed]

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[Middle Finger Bush]

32. WHAT?

Remove the post because of discouragement? HELLLOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[dmac]

67. Good for you!

[aprillcm]

29. I haven't heard this from Kerry

Look Until I hear this from Kerry when we all know it happened I wont do it. The Democratic Party is made up of a lot of different view points on any given day Air America Radio presents these different views and that is great!

Al Franken on his part wants us to all shut up and move on. But we can not move on regardless of the out come of this until we know every and I mean every vote will be counted in the elections to come. In order to do that we have to continue to find the answers now.

[Middle Finger Bush]

30. YEP HE WAS IN ON IT OF COURSE

Why do you think he disappeared instead of rallying his troops on election night.... GUILT ULCER

[high density]

31. Thanks for putting that GELAC fund to use, Sen. Kerry

:eyes:

[coeur_de_lion]

33. if that is the case, then his brother Cam's message doesn't make sense

see this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x33278

[Stephanie]

39. Maybe Kerry doth protest too much?

He can't be seen to be involved with this, until we can prove it.

[coeur_de_lion]

49. I think you may be right.

We KNOW he stole it. We KNOW he did. If we know then so must Kerry. And his brother would not be asking people for evidence of voter fraud, intimidation, etc. if they were not prepared to fight.

[LisaL]

34. Sure. He lost fair and squire.

Too bad he said to us he will make sure every vote counted. He collected money for thousands of lawyers who were supposed to make sure every vote counted. Where are that money? Maybe he should give it to Nader-he wants a recount.

[d_b]

35. Kerry needs to

listen to Randi right now.

[Chili]

I heard it...

...and there was no direct quote. Don't know the basis of that being reported at all.

Not only that, it contradicts the email from Cameron Kerry, which says that lawyers ARE looking into fraud, and to redirect reports of fraud to [e-mail] (note that is a DNC domain... interesting).

[ChiciB1]

45. His Brother Says....

He's looking to run again. You guys, let's get the fact right before we start spreading stuff around!! I just posted that Florida Presidential Election Results site. There's and underline in it. The last part should look like Florida_Election.htm

[Middle Finger Bush]

47. Theres no way!!!

Screw Skull and Bones Kerry!!

We need a fucking revolution!!!!

[Carl Brennan]

36. It's all political gamesmanship IMHO: Make yourself look like the

calming force among your "out of control" consituency.

This is great entertainment.

[LisaL]

38. It's not about Kerry.

It was always ABB for me.

[ROH]

41. What are you claiming was said?

Was it the message of your post...
AAR news: "Kerry continues to discourage speculations that he was defeated because of voting fraud"

or was it the title of your post...
AAR news: Kerry to us: "shut up about fraud!"

Is the second comment your own slant on what was actually said?

[ChiciB1]

43. Sites to check out....

If you haven't already seen these, it would be a good idea to check out these sites.
Log In Forum for John Kerry.... http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?

Also: Surprising Florida Presidential Election Results...
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm this was quite revealing. Not all the counties are listed, but I sure was surprised by some of the results!!

One more ally... Last night Keith Olbermann started talking about Voter Fraud on his show on MSNBC!! He's the only news station I watch anymore. Chrissy Matthews has turned into a GirlyMan!! YUK! And Wolfie Blitzer, well what can you say, guess he's taking his nod from that other Wolfie (Wolfowitz)
HELP!!!!!

[dbonds]

44. Wolfs

Remember, the wolves are gathering to attack - think I saw that in a commercial ;-p

[Middle Finger Bush]

48. JK Forum isn't accepting new registrations

bummer, would love to read whats being said over there

[ArthurRuger]

70. JK Forum Shutting down...try Common Ground, Common Sense

Sharing the wealth...yes, we are talking over there at what used to be Kerry-Edwards forum. The movement is trying to transition and is called Common Ground, Common Sense. We don't know a thing more than you do here and are speculating as much there as you are here. In fact sometimes things get posted there from DU and vice-versa.
*********************************************

Since members overwhelmingly expressed a desire to continue this discussion, the volunteer mods and admins have set up a new forum to continue the dialog. We invite all Kerry-Edwards Online Forum members to join the Common Ground-Common Sense Internet Town Meeting for Progressives, Moderates and Independents. The new forum can be found at:

CommonGroundCommonSense.org
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/

[Middle Finger Bush]

77. great

thanks 4 that

[Chimpanzee]

46. It's all part of the plan! We're making too much fuss and we are

about to blow JFK's cover for his scheme to take back America.

We should ignore what he says.

[robbedvoter]

53. Oh, yeah, the master plan. here's a chink:

Mike Papantonio - lawyer on the campaign was on Ring on Fire (Air America) with Reno (black comedienne).(he usually co-hosts with Bobby kennedy) She asked him why was he turned around from the tarmac - en route for Ohio - election night. After repeated questioning, he admitted that "certain elements in the party thought it would make us look like cry babies"
he proceeded to tell her "get over it" about 10 times to which I am happy to say she yelled: "No way I am"

[neuvocat]

51. Well this isn't so much about Kerry as it is about our rights anyway.

If he doesn't want the job though then President Edwards doesn't sound all that bad.

[robbedvoter]

55. Hha!ha! Edwards conceded in the primaries 3h before the polls closed

Famous last words
...and I promise you, this election, every vote will be counted
John Edwards, election night

But I agree that it's not about them - they have no right to give away my right to vote. I am making myself a button:
ABB WON

[ChiciB1]

56. OKAY, Enough!!!

Whether it's about ABB or about Kerry, quit the belly-aching! It's about not letting the Repukies having their way!! I just ordered 8 bumper stickers to replace my Kerry/Edwards ones. I will keep a Kerry/Edwards one on though! If you go to www.bumperart.com or http://www.cafepress.com you can find some Great ones to use as Protests! BumperArt costs a little more, but you can customize the stickers there.

Regardless.... I still want to PROTEST The Bush, The Dick and The Colon! And all the rest of those INTROVERTS! I'm a PROUD Democrat and I don't think I HAVE to change MY way of thinking just because the CONSERVATIVE owned MEDIA is trying to make US!!

My motto... THINK LEFT.... BE RIGHT!! I WILL NOT LET THEM DEFINE ME! Sure times have changed, but LIBERAL is NOT A DIRTY WORD!! It means so much more! I have GREAT values and have been married to the same guy I met in High School some 43 years ago! How many times have Limbaugh and Gingrich been married! Some Values!! Not that it makes much difference to me, but they don't own God either!

[Karmadillo]

63. I suppose there's no link to anything in writing.

n/t

[EndElectoral]

64. This is bigger than Kerry.

[dmac]

66. Where has Kerry "discouraged speculations that he was defeated . . .

because of voting fraud"? I have not seen a quote from Kerry regarding this at all - anywhere. As a new member I hope I am not out of bounds to ask: Hasn't anyone considered that Kerry is doing exactly what he needs to do right now? After all, his concession means nothing at all until all of the votes are counted and recorded officially. Perhaps removing himself and Edwards from the impending controversy, and ducking out of sight for now, while the officials finish doing their job (perhaps they have a little covert operation of their own) was the wisest move he/they could make. Surely Rove has this site monitored so our friends on the other side know everything that is being said/done/planned. Kerry/Edwards cannot afford to be the bad guys here. It would distract those who voted on the other side from what the real issue is here: their side cheated to win. (I wonder how these people with the high morals we have been hearing about are going to feel about electing a cheater?) You guys voted for Kerry - try to remember why. Both Kerry and Edwards are extremely smart men - try to have a little faith in them and give them the chance to do this right. I know it is hard and VERY frustrating not to know what either of them are thinking right now. But I saw the concession speeches - they were not acting; they were truly devastated at their "defeat" and feeling like they had let us down. If they had stayed front and center with the attorneys fighting, they would have looked just like W looked in 2000. Is that really what we would want? I sure wouldn't. For my own sanity I have to tell myself to trust these two smart men to work the system they way they see fit. I think they are doing the right thing - the smart thing. My husband says never interrupt an enemy when he/she is making a mistake . . . think about that and try to believe.

[rodeodance]

74. thanks dmac--Well said:-)

[Chili]

78. great post, dmac...

my sentiments exactly! Thank you.

And even if he doesn't get publicly involved, ultimately it's OUR vote we're talking about, ours, our country, our election, our vote. And if we want it investigated because we don't trust the winner or their methods - and justifiably! - we have the right to demand it. And if we're ignored, we'll do it ourselves!

Great post!

[Carolab]

68. So what?

This is OUR fight.

[Revolutionary Mama]

69. I should've voted my conscience.

Bush cheated, Kerry conceded, knowing what we knew about the fascist red party's dirty tricks. Both Bush and Kerry are Skull & Bones brothers. Kerry smiled and looked delighted as he shook his S&B brother's hand to "congratulate" him. The two agreed that the division in this country (Fascists -vs- Real American Patriots) needs to end...(In fascist's favor?)

I'm willing to bet that with the combination of newly registered voters (mostly Democrats), the majority of progressive and liberal alternative party members (I'm of one) and Republicans that got fed up with the growing bureaucratic (BIG BROTHER) fascism in their party...Kerry had more voter support.

That's why the fascist red-party schemers looked for ways to keep Kerry supporters from voting. They knew we outnumbered Bushwhacked Americans. So, I don't want to hear any more of this "Bush had more votes" crap.

But Kerry's concession had me thinking that I may as well have ignored Democrats and voted my conscience instead. So, it's up to Democrats to pressure Kerry to cooperate with busting BushCo's dirty minions, or make an example of him if he refuses to comply 100%.

He shouldn't have conceded in the first place, but he's either a moron, or a traitor. I believe, he's the latter.

[ChiciB1]

81. NOT!!!!

You need to read DMAC and "get it!" If you abandon now, then whose calling who names????

This is getting HUGE and I'm a HAPPY CAMPER!

[SharifromOregon]

82. Can you please tell me what

DMAC is? I don't know know how to get back to this thread, so please send me an email at [e-mail]

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[4dsc]

86. Defeatist Democrat's need not apply!!

I was shocked this last monday to hear all the defeatist democrat's that came across ARR!! I was just shocked to find them all repeating the ROVE line that AWOLbush WON!! From Mark and Mark in the morning to Al Franken, they all kept repeating the BS that is a lie!!

KERRY WON and we need fighters, not defeatist!!!