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skjpm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:55 AM
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What will Ohio do with the votes that go over the total amount of voters?
Let's say a county of 1000 has a count of 2000 votes. Obviously, there are 1000 fraudulent votes. How will Ohio subtract those votes from the total? How will they know which candidate to take them from?
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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:57 AM
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1. Obviously, they'll take them from Kerry,
...after all, he conceded, therefore he doesn't want them, right?

arrrgggghhh!
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:58 AM
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2. Send 'em back to
the cemetery they came from.
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skjpm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:02 AM
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4. No, really--they can't count votes which outnumber registered voters--
can they? They can't write down a legal document which shows that more votes were cast than registered voters--not on an official vote tally, can they?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:00 AM
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3. They will bring in some
Korean Sun Young Moon followers and give them instant citizenship and assign those votes to them.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:06 AM
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5. Of Course They'll Count Them
short of a recount. They've already counted them. What else can they do? There's no other process to change that number.

I would think that establishing more votes than voters would result in a recount unless it was small enough to be considered trivial. Some of the
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:08 AM
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6. Seriously, could these be provisional votes?
I have no idea, but I've voted since 1964, and my name was always on the roster of voters when I went to the polls. I've voted in 4 different states, and they always check the roster or voter roll for that precinct for your name. This extra voter situation should not be a difficult thing to explain! Either the people handling the polls were allowing some to vote that weren't on the rolls, the registered voter number is wrong, or the voting equipment is wrong in the count. Should be a fairly easy thing to tie down.
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skjpm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:18 AM
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7. You can't just split the extra votes down the middle
and assume the mistakes were equally Kerry/Bush because you don't know what mistake caused the problem in the first place. It could be an error which double-counted Bush votes, say. So, what do they do with the obviously fraudulent votes? I can't believe it would be legal to include them in the final count, and they can't simply subtract them, since they don't know which candidate to subtract them from. So, what happens?
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:21 AM
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8. If it was the machines...
... the company pays for a recount, maybe even a whole new vote?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:31 AM
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9. I think generally they would be abandoned as spoiled/invalid
I'm not a lawyer, but sometimes they agree with me.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:48 AM
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10. If it shows more votes than voters,
then it's obvious that the extra votes just exist on the total. They can only count paper votes and there would be none for the over-votes.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:50 AM
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11. define "they"
I think generally they would be abandoned as spoiled/invalid

Which votes are considered "they"? How would it be determined which votes are "spoiled"? Obviously, this is a situation where there would HAVE to be a recount since it's utterly impossible to determine WHICH votes do or don't count.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 02:17 AM
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12. "They" = The entire precinct's votes
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 02:18 AM by Cronus
I seem to remember a case when a judge threw out a whole precinct bexause of tampering. I can't remember for sure, though, but you get the point - in my guess/thinking they would throw out all the ballots that could be tainted, hence the entire precinct, or even the entire damn state, for which I do have a precedent, Election 2000, Florida.

The only alternative would be another election. Has that ever happened in US history?


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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:13 PM
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13. That's not what I meant.
The reports I heard said the number of votes cast exceeded the number of registered voters in that precinct. I can imagine some idiot saying "Hey, we had XXXX number of votes today (including the provisionals) and those voters actually belonged to a dfferent precinct. I didn't say anything about not being able to identify who the votes were cast for or who cast them.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:17 PM
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14. We had to sign into the book which had the names of
all the registered voters in OH (in that precinct). So, if they really do have more votes than there were registered voters, they will have some explaining to do.
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