Anyone have info on fraudulent senate wins in 2004 election?

[Amaryllis]

I read something awhile back about fraudulent senate wins (possibly up to 7 or 8 states) in 2004 but haven't been able to find it again.I think it was based on exit polls. Does anyone have sources on this?

[Helga Scow Stern]

1. No, but I can almost remember from watching on 11/2 night...

Bunning, creep MD from Oklahoma, Thune, DeMint, a few others...

Someone said the Carolinas...

[Amaryllis]

2. One in NC and one in FL, I know, but there were others.

[dzika]

4. NC - I feel certain about

This is the first time that we haven't had at least one Democratic Senator in NC that I can remember.

[demo dutch]

14. Definitely Florida! Too close to call up to election day and

Betty Castor didn't challenge Martinez! Martinez (former HUD secr, to Bu$h administration) was hand picked by *

[Lostnote03]

3. Don't forget KY......

[Amaryllis]

8. Any data? I need data, sources, etc. Alternative media is fine.

[GetTheRightVote]

5. NC has had all kinds of problems in elections, Senator probably too

:kick:

[ROH]

6. Six interesting contests:

SD ... 50.6% / 49.4% ... Thune / Daschle
FL ... 49.4% / 48.3% ... Martinez / Castor
NC ... 51.6% / 47.0% ... Burr / Bowles
SC ... 53.8% / 44.1% ... DeMint / Tenenbaum
KY ... 50.7% / 49.3% ... Bunning / Mongiardo
OK ... 52.8% / 41.2% ... Coburn / Carson

Check out:
http://wid.ap.org/campaign2004/senatenew.html

[Helga Scow Stern]

12. Those are just the ones you could tell were being fixed on coup night..

The numbers were against them, until about the same time they started to change for *. The news people were all kind of surprised. You could just tell which ones were being adjusted right along with the presidential race.

Edit to add:

I remember how sure everyone was that Bunning wouldn't win--he'd made some really idiotic comments before the election...then...they were so surprised when all of a sudden after being down all night, he started gaining all these points...it was really something to see.

[progressiveandproud]

17. God, yes...

...I was ecstatic that Bunning was running at least 10% down with a large percentage of precincts reporting (at least, according to whatever national cable news I was watching, like CNN).

And then that steady upward creep began. It was one of the more unsettling experiences I've had.

The most unsettling, though, was when I saw the first numbers out of Florida on Election Night, showing Bush up by several percent. I was like, "Either I'm crazy, these numbers are crazy, or America's voters are crazy."

Jonathan

[juajen]

20. You left out glorious LA. Vitter/John/Kennedy

I have felt since election night that * skimmed votes in LA, killing one bird with two stones.

BTW, for those who are not familiar with LA politics, that's Chris John, and John Kennedy, a three-way fiasco. Vitter got over 50%, precluding a run-off.

[Vadem]

7. Please don't forget Georgia!........n/t

[Amaryllis]

9. Already know about 2002. Did it happen again in 2004? Need data, please.

[progressiveandproud]

18. I don't know the details...

...but some people are trying to investigate the Nov. 2 vote in Georgia. I remember one of the people involved telling me that something fishy had gone on, like the unauthorized Diebold machines being used. Sorry for the vagueness of my memory. I do believe, though, that we will all hear more about the Georgia situation in the future. I am keeping my fingers crossed, hoping for the muckraking efforts of those patriotic citizens to unearth the truth.

[Amaryllis]

19. I know quite a bit about GA 2002, but nothing about 2004.

[ROH]

28. Here are the figures for LA and GA:

LA ... 51.0% for Vitter (against several Dem candidates) avoiding a December run-off
GA ... 57.9% / 39.9% ... Isakson / Majette

http://wid.ap.org/campaign2004/senatenew.html

[Catamount]

10. Thanks for tackling this!

Kick!

[SaveAmerica]

11. Here are Ignatzmouse's numbers for NC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=170x2562

Well, a link to the thread in NC forum. I personally felt that Bowles would win by a hair and Kerry would have been closer than he was. (Well I was even more optomistic than that, I thought there was a chance Kerry would take NC, the phone calls I made prior to the election showed me dems were determined to vote him in)

[Peace Patriot]

15. ignatzmouse's findings in NC:

ignatzmouse finds an inexplicable 6% shift to Burr (running against Bowles for Senate), between the absentee ballots (a third of the vote), in which Bowles led by a half a percent, and the electronic vote (which had Bowles down by 6.4%), and a totally absurd shift of 15% to Bush (electronic), in the same voting method comparison. In summary, Kerry should have lost to Bush by about 6%, and instead lost by 12% (when the figures are averaged), and Bowles probably won by a hair, in reality, but was denied victory by the electronic vote.

ignatzmouse says there is no demographic reason for these differences between the absentee ballot vote and the electronic vote, and the size of the absentee ballot vote (one third) makes it a valid sample for comparison.

This is why I urged people to vote absentee, for just this kind of comparison. The BushCons would likely avoid changing totals of paper ballots, because it's detectable--especially when they had electronics that they could so easily tweak without a trace.

I suppose they could have stolen a few absentee votes, too, via central tabulators--since recounts are so odious and hard to get--but they may have been more cautious about it.

And why would they take the risk of such a large electronic theft (9% more) in the case of Bush, who won NC handily by 6%? Obviously as part of the larger game plan of manufacturing his nationwide popular vote (concerning which NO state and NO voting population may be immune).

Note: The third of the 2004 vote that was not fiddled included both absentee and early voting.

Notice NCVoter's post at this ignatzmouse site (post #6): It shows that there was no such discrepancy between absentee ballot voting and same day voting in 2000, in Bush vs. Gore. This supports ignatzmouse's analysis. (One poster raises the doubt that maybe early voters were the more motivated voters--more anti-Bush--but I hardly see how that could have resulted in a 9% shift. That's a humongous shift.)

I remember reading this way back in the first week after the election, when ignatzmouse first posted it. It was among the first pieces of concrete information to confirm the nationwide election fraud plot.

It was so heartening! Ah, we are not paranoid tinfoil hatters! Our gut feeling may well be right! Then, of course, so much other evidence came pouring in--a flood of evidence.

(I believe the exit polls later confirmed this theft of the presidential vote--but I don't have that data in front of me. Not sure what the exit polls said about Burr-Bowles.)

[dogindia]

13. I think this is so important.

We should try to figure out house races as well.

[L. Coyote]

16. Senate Exit Polls

I started a post on Senate exit polls some time ago. You can see the Senate Exit Poll data in a spreadsheet. It might be archived by now.

There are some real concerns about the extreme differences in Senate and President exit polls.

South Dakota should be a focus, in addition to Florida. Spreadsheets of county results for these states, with analysis, is available at the same website.

Ohio Senate exit poll was way, way off, like the worst.

[Amaryllis]

22. Thanks, this is the kind of stuff I am looking for.

[emlev]

21. kick

[Melissa G]

23. Kick!

[flyarm]

24. betty castor was robbed in fla!! count on that!! n/t

[L. Coyote]

29. Check out the Senate race data and correlations in the FL spreadsheet

The Florida spreadsheet is linked from this Spreadsheets page.

[berniew1]

25. Huge amount of vote machine fraud & other irregularities documented that

affected Presidential race as well as the Senate races. There were hundreds of thousands of votes affected by touchscreen vote machine fraud, also many thousands or hundreds of thousands switched by programming of vote compilers in many states, regarding straight party voting and other vote counting "glitches". Some straight Dem votes were counted for Bush for President.
But these types of compiler programmings also affected senate races and all races. Likewise there were hundreds of thousands votes affected by manipulation of registration, absentees, and provisional ballots.
Widespread vote machine fraud, systematic dirty tricks, manipulation of registrations, absentees, and provisionals especially in minority precincts are documented for over 20 states in:
http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html

In Florida there was touchscreen vote machine fraud in several big counties that switched Senate votes from Castor to Martinez.
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

and widespread dirty tricks and suppression of minority voters that had a huge effect as well.

[berniew1]

26. Dr. Richard Phillips would work on the Fla. & N.Car. Senate races if someo

someone local in those areas is willing to help with getting info and local contacts. Dr. Phillips did more analysis of the problems in the Ohio Election than anyone else I'm aware of. If interested you can contact him through his web site.
http://northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm

[berniew1]

27. I already have a large amount of documentation of fraud, dirty tricks, etc

in the Florida race between Castor and Martinez.
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

[emlev]

32. Or you can contact me

and I'll get the message to him. That's probably a quicker way than via his website, but you could do either.

[L. Coyote]

30. Here is the other thread you referred to ...

and i kicked it for concurrent reading with this one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=310364&mesg_id=310364

[Amaryllis]

31. Thanks Coyote! I actually posted this for a friend who needs the info for

a doc she is putting together. That will help a lot.

[dogindia]

33. kick.