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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:45 PM
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Tom DeLay's remarks re challenge of Ohio electors
In case you missed them, I got the whole friggin thing. (Warning -- rated R for Rabid!)

Debate on the challenge to the Ohio presidential electors

January 6, 2005
Congressional Record - House
H121-122
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2005_record&page=H121&position=all

JOHN CONYERS {closing comments}

Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, I want
to thank all the Members of the House
who have stayed here with us, who
have participated in the debate, who
have shared their views, as different as
many of them are, because this is the
way we work.

This debate, I think we all know, will
not change the outcome of the November
election. But we do know that out
of today’s debate, the Congress will respond
to the challenge that has been
raised here in connection with a better
system of voting, not just for Ohio but
for everywhere. A challenge has been
raised here this afternoon to hold true
bipartisan hearings to get to the bottom
of not just what went wrong in
Ohio but around the Nation on Election
Day. This day, the first time in
our history, that since 1877 this law has
been used in which the Senate and the
House have come together to say that
an objection has enough merit to keep
us here in this discussion.

Join us. Enact real election reform
and give the citizens the right to an operative
provisional ballot and give all
voters a verifiable paper trail. We
should never fear this debate in the
Congress, and I hope that today we
have a fair debate and that 4 years
from now, Mr. Speaker, we have an
election that all our citizens can be
proud of.

TOM DELAY

Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker, I rise to
claim the remainder of the time.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman from
Texas is recognized for the remainder
of the time.

Mrs. JONES of Ohio. Mr. Speaker,
can I ask how much time that is?
The SPEAKER. In the tradition of
the House, the gentleman from Texas
is recognized for 5 minutes.

Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker, what is
happening here today is amazing but
not surprising. Mr. Speaker, what we
are witnessing here today is a shame. A
shame. The issues at stake in this petition
are gravely, gravely serious. This
is not just having a debate. But the
specific charges, as any objective observer
must acknowledge, are not.
That is because the purpose of this petition
is not justice but noise.
It is a warning to Democrats across
the country, now in the midst of soul
searching after their historic losses in
November, not to moderate their party’s
message.

It is just the second day of the 109th
Congress and the first chance of the
Democrat congressional leadership to
show the American people what they
have learned since President Bush’s
historic reelection, and they can show
that, but they have turned to what
might be called the ‘‘X-Files Wing’’ of
the Democrat Party to make their first
impression.


Rather than substantive debate,
Democrat leaders are still adhering to
a failed strategy of spite, obstruction,
and conspiracy theories. They accuse
the President, who we are told is apparently
a closet computer nerd, of
personally overseeing the development
of vote-stealing software.
We are told, without any evidence,
that unknown Republican agents stole
the Ohio election and that its electoral
votes should be awarded to the winner
of an exit poll instead.

Many observers will discard today’s
petition as a partisan waste of time,
but it is much worse than that. It is an
assault against the institutions of our
representative democracy. It is a
threat to the very ideals it ostensibly
defends. No one is served by this petition,
not in the long run. And in the
short term, its only beneficiaries are
its proponents themselves.
Democrats around the country have
asked since Election Day, and will no
doubt ask again today, how it came to
this. The Democrat Party, the party
that was once an idealistic, forward-
looking, policy colossus. The New Deal,
the Marshall Plan, the Great Society,
the space program, civil rights. And
yet today one is hard pressed to find a
single positive substantive idea coming
from the left.

Instead, the Democrats have replaced
statecraft with stagecraft, substance
with style, and not a very fashionable
style at that. The petitioners claim
that they act on behalf of
disenfranchised voters, but no such
voter disenfranchisement occurred in
this election of 2004 and for that matter
the election of 2000.


Everybody knows it. The voters
know it, the candidates know it, the
courts know it, and the evidence proves
it.
We are not here to debate evidence,
but to act our roles in some scripted,
insincere morality play.
Now, just remember: pre-election
memos revealed that Democrat campaign
operatives around the country
were encouraged by their high command
in Washington to charge voter
fraud and intimidation regardless of
whether any of it occurred. Remember,
neither of the Democrat candidates
supposedly robbed in Ohio endorse this
petition. It is a crime against the dignity
of American democracy, and that
crime is not victimless.
The Democrat leadership came down
to the floor and said this is a good debate;
we ought to be having a debate on
this issue.

This is not a normal debate. This is a
direct attack to undermine our democracy
by using a procedure to undermine
the constitutional election that
was just held.

If, as now appears likely, Democrats
cry fraud and corruption every election
regardless of the evidence, what will
happen when one day voters are routinely
intimidated, rights are denied,
or, God forbid, an election is robbed?
What will happen? What will happen
when, God forbid, this quadrennial crying
wolf so poisons our democratic
processes that a similarly frivolous petition
in a close election in the future
is actually successful, and the American
people are denied their constitutional
right to choose their own President?


Mr. Speaker, Democrats must find a
way to rise above this self-destructive
and, yes, plain destructive theory of
politics for its own sake. A dangerous
precedent is being set here today, and
it needs to be curbed, because Democrat
leaders are not just hurting themselves.
By their irresponsible tactics,
they hurt the House, they hurt the Nation,
and they hurt rank-and-file
Democrats at kitchen tables all around
this country.

The American people, and their ancestors
who invented our miraculous
system of government, deserve better
than this. This petition is beneath us,
Mr. Speaker; but, more importantly, it
is beneath the men and women that we
serve.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues,
both Democrat and Republican, to do
the right thing. Vote ‘‘no,’’ and let us
get back to the real work that the
American people hired us to do.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:49 PM
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1. Of all the nerve...
That's a lot to stomach from someone who ought to be rotting in a jail cell. F... him!

:grr:
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:55 PM
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2. Tom Delay, you're an immoral hypocritical maggot.
The notion that you care about the fate of our democracy is laughable.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:17 PM
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4. SLIMY immoral hypocritical maggot!
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 10:19 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
I was thinking, what if we all "cut and pasted" his comments into an e-mail, and then sent it to him over and over, with a little comment like,
"We know you tried to erase these ridicules comments from the official record. This is to let you know that there are thousands of us 'whiners' out here, with your words saved to our hard drives, and we are passing out copies TO EVERYONE WE KNOW. They will all learn what kind of person you really are; better check into that Vote Stealing thing.... It's the only way you will ever be re-elected.

Have a great day! :-)


Okay... he'd never read it. But I would feel better.



edited for stupidity
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 12:25 AM
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6. These are actually the comments that are currently on the
Official Congressional Record.

Maybe he made others, I don't know. But these were there when I picked them off there last night.

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:59 PM
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3. DeLay has balls to talk!
Considering he helped organize a riot in Florida 2000.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31074-2005Jan23.html

you might have to register to get the story but it is worth it.
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muse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:46 PM
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5. Sigh. The fool is my congressman.
Not many of you can say that.

I got mail from him today. Some claptrap about "the recent tax relief achievements of Congressman Tom DeLay."

Blah, blah, blah, "American Jobs Creation Act", Texans get to deduct state and local taxes from their federal income tax returns, eliminated the marriage tax penalty for most married couples, more blah, blah, blah.

It's on a huge 8 1/2 x 11 piece of cardstock. Our government dollars at work.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:44 AM
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7. I am so sorry, perhaps you can rid yourself of him when we have fair
elections again.

:kick:
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:47 PM
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8. More R for rabid comments
As Mark Weisbrot wrote in an article published by the Knight Ridder newspaper chain, Republican lawmakers responded to Senator Boxer, and to Representative Tubbs-Jones and her colleagues in the Congressional Black Caucus, "with howls of derision." Some engaged in ad hominem tactics, labeling the objections "base" and "outrageous" (David Hobson, R-Ohio), and calling the objectors "aspiring fantasy authors" of "wild conspiracy theories," whose behaviour exemplified "their party's primary strategy to obstruct, to divide, to destroy" (Deborah Pryce, R-Ohio).

Others denounced the debate itself as "a travesty" (Senator Rick Santorum, R-Pennsylvania), a "squandering time" by people "who persist in beating a dead horse" (Senator George Voinovich, R-Ohio); or, more gravely, as an exercise that "in the midst of a global war on terrorism <...> clearly emboldens those who would in fact undermine the prospect of democracy" (David Dreier (R-California), and "an assault against the institutions of our representative democracy" by the "X-Files wing" of the Democratic Party (Tom DeLay, R-Texas).


--taken not from the Congressional Record, but from an excellent long piece just published:

Michael Keefer:
"The Strange Death of American Democracy: Endgame in Ohio"
Global Research
January 24, 2005
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE501A.html
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:02 PM
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9. every time I read one of his "speeches"
I'm reminded that he used to be an exterminator... and I think about how much poison he must have absorbed back then and what effect that obviously had on his reasoning (?) skills (???)...
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:04 PM
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10. I hope "something happens to him"
Won't be more specific.....I don't wanna get in trouble.
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