We must not give up on trying to convince key people of election fraud

[garybeck]

Michael Moore
Al Franken
George Soros
MoveOn
John Stewart

Much has been said about some of these, and others, who failed to help raise awareness about election fraud when we thought it was urgently needed.

But just because they didn't do it then, doesn't mean we should give up on them. They are very powerful forces and we should continue to hammer them with evidence until they realize it is the #1 issue that needs to be dealt with or forget 06 and 08 and the next 2 decades for that matter.

Can you imagine, a Michael Moore movie focusing on Diebold, ESS, Hagel, O'dell... makes my spine chill just thinking about it. Or how about a #1 selling book by Al Franken called "The Stealing Stealers who Stole the Election" Or if MoveOn started emailing their millions of people regularly about the key issues on election fraud and reform, acting as an alternative media? Or if Soros and his money was put to use for election awareness? Or if John Stewart started talking about Diebold and ESS all the time on his show?

We need this kind of stuff to happen!!!

We can't give up on these people. Let's regularly fax, email, snail mail, etc. People change their mind; they learn. Now that the pressure of the election is over, we can make a real impact by not giving up and continuing to hammer this issue. These and others are key people who can reach out to millions with whatever they have to say, and if they start talking about election fraud people will listen. It is one of the only ways around the right wing media and we must keep at it.

I didn't give much thought to the list

Michael Moore
Al Franken
George Soros
MoveOn
John Stewart

if people could think of others that belong on this list, post some ideas in replies here. maybe we can come up with a list of 10 folks or so that can "move mountains" and we should organize an effort to never stop bugging them until they realize the real problem. we could even use some of the amazing web tools we've found recently to make it really easy to contact them. "burn up their fax machine" as I've heard Randi Rhodes say...

[icehenge]

1. Right on

I'll suggestion Keith Oberman to the list.
I'm not sure of his stance on the issues but we could
maybe peck at him with "read this" type emails, faxes, etc.

Also what was the status on the election fraud awareness packets?
I got caught up and forgot to pledge to do for these projects.

[garybeck]

2. I don't know about the packets but I'm working on a "be the media" kit

it'll be ready in a couple days, and a donation has made it possible for me to give away about 100 of these kits. I only want to give it to people who are going to do something with it.

if you're interested make sure you're on the solar bus mailing list. you can sign up at election-email(at)solarbus.org

-gary

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[bush_is_wacko]

6. I hope you are considering making these available for sale as well.

When people see these they may want to buy them.

[BigBearJohn]

3. GREAT IDEA!!!

[myschkin]

13. celebrity information

bigbearjohn, please note that we had this idea such a long time ago... ;-)

http://www.1-2-free-forums.com/mf/index.php?mforum=mtf

you should know it...

please participate and call other people to work on it.

be glad to hear your opinion on this. :-)

[BigBearJohn]

15. Thanks! I'll check it out

[seabeyond]

4. i did notice jan 20th more awareness of election fraud

then what i thought was out there. i heard more people in different parts of the country say election fraud then what i thought would be out there. i was surprised and thrilled. so much that i feel like the awareness is growing.

did anyone else get surprised the number of protestors that insisted bush stole the election

[bush_is_wacko]

7. I wasn't surprised, but I was encouraged. It has been my experience

that people were afraid to talk about it, unless they knew you were thinking along the same lines. Strength is ALWAYS in numbers. When people know they are among friends they have no problem discussing these issues. They realize, at this juncture, no one has the manpower to arrest 10,000 people with the same viewpoint. Now we need to increase our numbers state by state. I'm trying to think of a way to get a few people together with deception dollars and hit a few parking lots on the weekends to put them on car windshields. I got great response yesterday when I gave a few to some people at a magic shop my son frequents. I loved standing there listening to them all finding all the hidden messages!

[myschkin]

12. so

our information efforts are worthwhile! :-)

please join us:

http://www.1-2-free-forums.com/mf/index.php?mforum=mtf

[Boredtodeath]

5. Left leaning bloggers too

You should note, Markos (dailykos.com), Atrios (atrios.blogspot.com), Chris Bowers (MyDD.com) and Josh Marshall (talkingpointsmemo.com) never touched the election fraud story either, except to belittle the "fraudsters."

And, frankly, if it's not on the front pages of those blogs, the lefty radio folks are not going to touch it (except Randi and Mike Malloy).

[corbett]

8. Election Fraud Hearing In Orlando, FL - January 27, 2005

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=145&topic_id=3497&mesg_id=3497

[berniew1]

9. All you have to do is get them to look at the thousands of EIRS reports

of fraud and irregularities.

Widespread systematic vote machine fraud, and dirty tricks and suppression of minority registration and voting in at least 15 states in 2004 Election: summary of some of the documentation

http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html

The case is clearly documented how the election was stolen, for anyone to see.

[icehenge]

10. Another target to hit

I've been posting messages to the discussion forum Craiglist
for the past week. Each city has its own discussion page
with all types of discussion groups.

Here is the site:
http://craigslist.org/

That link brings up san Francisco bay area group.
On the right side of the page though you will see the
cities listed. Click your home city, Memphis, Boston, Etc,
and post about information on election fraud in a
discussion group.

I recommend you choose your discussion group carefully
though. Because political talk is frowned upon in the
General forum but you can do it undercover in the
"rants and raves" page under the "Personal" group.
Or other pages you think would work.

Have fun and spread the word!

[myschkin]

11. Right!

Please take a look at this, our forum:

http://www.1-2-free-forums.com/mf/index.php?mforum=mtf

and tell me if it´s the right place to work on it...

[4democracy]

14. If Oprah would do a show on the disenfranchisement in 2004

we could open a lot of minds as to "WHY was there so many coincidences and glitches just in minority or heavily democratic areas?". People are not stupid,just uninformed and Oprah could inform millions in a one hour program.
Fraud took many forms on Nov 2, we just need people to understand one of them to get the point across, that it really did happen and it will continue happening, if we just "move on and forget about 2004"

[emlev]

16. I wonder if the best way to get Oprah to do this

would be to get her to have Rev. Jesse Jackson on with a number of voters who were disenfranchised, and perhaps also one of these people: John Conyers, Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, Barbara Boxer, Greg Palast, Richard Hayes Phillips, Cliff Arnebeck, Bob Fitrakis, David Cobb, Susan Truitt, Lowell Finlay (attorney for the NM recount), the woman going after the Nevada election records...

Maybe one of us could do some research (I'm not volunteering) and find someone who has Oprah's ear and who we could reach more easily than we could reach Oprah herself.

[4democracy]

19. Since Barbara Boxer has been in the news so much, Oprah might be

interested. There is a place on her website to suggest new shows, if she got thousands of suggestions for this type of show, they might listen.

[garybeck]

17. kick

[NationalEnquirer]

18. But you can't push to hard or for too long.

Sorry, its just the truth, we will marginalize ourselves in the eyes of the public.
I hate the public as much as anyone, but we still need them.
We simply have to put out some rational information, stated calmly and firmly.
Frankly, when I hear a ranting caller on talk radio, its all over for me.

[Al-CIAda]

20. Listen to this ONE audio file...

Only 30 min. of your time...be warned though, you will never be the same.US democracy is an illusion-
January 18, 2005: FTR #494: "Another Interview with Daniel Hopsicker about Electoral Fraud"
http://www.wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=13923

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[emcguffie]

21. we need a killer presentation

one that is convincing, knock your socks off, on the fraud in the country.

not just Ohio, but all the states.

That's what I thought we were going to do with the "packets" we were going to put together.

I have been gone for a few days, so I have to find out where that is.