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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:02 PM
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If you don't think we were successful on 1/6, READ THIS!
In a message dated 1/9/2005 1:58:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, dare2think101 writes:
Good news folks, Hillary and other senators have redeemed themselves with me,if the article is true, more Senators, inclusing Hillary Clinton to join Barbara Boxer Click here: What Election Challenge Means :: ILCA Online :: Making Labor Media a Force to Be Reckoned With
http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1447
What Election Challenge Means By David Swanson, ILCA

Thirty-three Members of the US House of Representatives, and one all-important Senator -- one more than four years ago -- voted not to accept Ohio's 20 electoral votes for George Bush.

The votes were 33 to 260 and 1 to 72. The protesters lost. What does it mean?
First, it's worth noting that more than one Senator took action. Barbara Boxer announced her intention to challenge the election on Thursday morning. By midday Senators Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, and Barak Obama had let it be known that they would support Boxer. During the discussion in the Senate, Richard Durbin, Debbie Stabenow, Edward Kennedy, Ron Wyden, Frank Lautenberg, and Tom Harkin joined the others in speaking in support of Boxer's challenge. And in the House, numerous members spoke, one after another, until the time was up, and the number voting for the challenge jumped to 33 from the 8 that had been known early in the day.

Yet, those looking for as strong as possible a challenge were disappointed. Plenty of Democrats voted No, including Senators who had spoken in support. And one Democratic Senator, Mark Dayton, actually rose and spoke against the challenge. Several Senators and Congress Members spoke in support of the challenge but said they were not questioning Bush's victory. (The election system is broken, but the election system worked -- a notion that makes political sense to some if logical sense to few.) Not a single Republican joined the Democrats in either chamber. The certification of the vote was not stopped. Nothing was changed.

Or was it? I would suggest that the following things have been changed:

1. The topic of election fraud has been forced into the corporate media. Reporters wanting to write about it now have a "hook." They can report on it now in the way they could have two months ago if Senator John Kerry hadn't crawled under his bed to hide. Sure, much of the media today treated the story as one of "political theater" and "grandstanding Democrats," but until now the story had not been there at all.
http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1398

Now the Democrats have the opportunity to explain why fighting for Democracy is the only decent thing to do, even when success seems unlikely.

2. We now have solid evidence that a political party can challenge a stolen election without causing national trauma of the sort Kerry tried to protect us from by conceding. Most Americans are not now in agony over the tensions felt on January 6th in Congress.

3. We have demonstrated that a grassroots movement of minorities and progressives can mobilize around an issue completely blacked out of the media and move US Senators to act. The reason Barbara Boxer stood tall today, while not even Paul Wellstone would do so four years ago, is that four years ago there was no massive grassroots lobbying effort. Nobody was holding "Boxer Rebellion" demonstrations at Boxer's offices four years ago. There were no hearings and bus rides, telephone and fax campaigns, nothing like what we've seen for the past two months. We also lacked the leadership that Congressman John Conyers has shown, but Conyers will be the first to say he couldn't have done this without a movement behind him. The rally Thursday morning across from the White House (report and photos here:

http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1445

was a celebration of success against the odds, of accomplishment in the face of scorn and ridicule with only justice and determination to keep people going. There will be momentum coming out of this for supporters of democracy all over this country.

4. A coalition has begun to form and to feel its power. Cliff Arnebeck of Alliance for Democracy and Common Cause Ohio told me Thursday morning that the way the Cleveland AFL-CIO worked with the white public interest crowd and the black civil rights folks on this issue is matched by the way the Ohio state AFL-CIO is working with these groups in opposition to a Republican proposal in Ohio to eliminate campaign finance limits. Labor, Arnebeck said, is one of the three key parts of a coalition that must be built nationally.

"Labor has to be viewed as a public interest organization," he said. "Every organization has its own selfish interests. But the labor union movement stands for democracy and not for benefiting a small elite, but for the vast majority - not for this CEO club. It's going to come together…This will revitalize all three movements."

5. The Democratic Party has put its toes into the water of actual opposition to the Republicans. Today ended any remaining credibility for another presidential nomination for Kerry -- and probably for any other senators who did not voice their support for Barbara Boxer's challenge. Those who did not speak today will have to campaign against that record, as Kerry campaigned against his vote for Bush's war. The Democrats have begun to emerge as a second party in what has often seemed a one-party or duopolistic system. More power to them. It's up to us to keep this ball rolling by urging aggressive action on election reform and all other issues. The Democrats have started to copy Republican brashness. If they can cease copying Republican policy positions, there may be hope for them yet. Reid announced that he would introduce an election reform bill in a few days.

Call Reid's office. Thank him for what he did today. Ask him to think big and write the bill he wants, not the bill he thinks the Republicans will accept.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:13 PM
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1. Three, four years from make a big difference in what we and our party
must do if we are to keep it. I do not believe we have heard the last from Kerry as far as election reform is concerned. At least he is for it, unlike the Awful Repukes who mock it and mock the constitution and voting, slap it in the face. They, The Republican Party are the Pro-fraud, Anti-Voting Party. That is an issue we most certainly will wedge. They asked for it on Thursday. We will oblige them.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:46 PM
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2. Yes, that's the way to frame this.
The party of rigged elections.
And we know what happened to a similary party in the Ukraine.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:29 AM
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9. I don't think we've heard the last of Kerry, either!
And the writer of the article fails to mention that Kerry's support of the challenge was read by Reid into the congressional record...while he was visiting the troops in Iraq.
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:14 AM
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3. Reid Contact infomation
"Reid announced that he would introduce an election reform bill in a few days.

Call Reid's office. Thank him for what he did today. Ask him to think big and write the bill he wants, not the bill he thinks the Republicans will accept."


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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:21 AM
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5. Thank you Icehenge, I'm going to do just that -- also I
heard Dave Swanson talking on the radio yesterday. He is a big labor union guy. You can check out his website. I think it's a good idea to join with labor for election fraud investigation and election reform.
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:01 AM
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8. JoMama49 Thanks for bring this to our attention its our next step
to contact him and get him backing us the people.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:30 AM
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10. I second that! :)
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Ryder911 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:21 AM
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4. Thanks. Great posts. Deserves a kick!
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:44 AM
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6. K I C K
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:58 AM
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7. Welcome to DU, DearAbby
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:13 PM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:07 PM
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12. Thank You Green Party candidate David Cobb for Your Courage!
Quote from Union Member comment below this article:

"Another point that seems to be missed, as we recognize the weak response - or outright cowardice - of Kerry, is that the debate today would not have happened without the challenge to the Ohio vote by Green Party candidate David Cobb (and Libertarian Badnarik). While Cobb was a non-factor, indeed a willing non-entity, during the Presidential race, he emerged as a leader in the fight for democracy after the votes were miscounted."
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