Here's to hoping I have to eat crow

[Walt Starr]

I've had my problems with challenging the Ohio electoral votes. This post is to publically state, I hope to hell I am dead ass wrong about it. I hope this puts the issue to the forefront and shows the problems mwe have with free and fair elections in this nation.

I hope that come about this time next week, I post a thread where I publically state I am eating crow.

[meganmonkey]

1. With all due respect, ME TOO!!!

;)

We're all on the same side, you know!

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[IndyPriest]

3. You're a good man, Starr. It'll be a small portion. n/t

[demnan]

4. Yeah me too

It's kind of fun it took a woman to do it! Happy Boxer Day, y'all!

[emulatorloo]

5. Walt, you've been wrong before. . . .(as have I)

Here's to you being wrong again.

You are a good man w strong convictions :toast:

[Dem2theMax]

6. Hey, we all understand. How about a nice bottle of wine to wash it down?

How about a case of wine? There's plenty of crow to go around on this board. lol. :)

[bowens43]

7. We all hope that you're wrong.......

We can only hope for the best.

[Stephanie]

8. Thanks Walt

Never doubted that your heart's in the right place.

[flpoljunkie]

9. A democracy without free and fair elections, is no democracy at all!

Thanks for your post, Walt Starr!

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. Here's hoping you'll have mud in yer eye and egg on yer face. *g*

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[dweller]

11. the Devil's

advocate has ordered at table 1. . .

Crow tartar.

Wake the Chef!

dp

[theboss]

12. I don't think it's a smart move, but God bless 'em if it works.

I hope like hell I'm wrong and this sudndenly snowballs into something spectacular for the country.

[madison2000]

13. I hope you are as dead ass wrong as a person can be!

[WilliamPitt]

14. Does that mean

you will also send apology faxes to the same Senators you told not to do this?

[Walt Starr]

15. Nope

Just the two that represent me.

Edited to add: I've already emailed both of mine and stated that although I had misgivings, since the die is cast all Democrats must come together and support this.

[merh]

21. Thank you for that!

Yes, thank you for that communication! :hug:

[cali]

29. Me too, Walt

I've emailed Leahy and Jeffords stating that although I have misgivings about the wisdom of this move, I believe that they should stand with Senator Boxer. As long as it's going to happen, we need as many dems on board as we can get. It'll be more difficult for the rethugs and the MSM to marginalize them as representatives of the "loony left", if there are a substantial number of them objecting.

I've stated several times that I'll gladly apologize if the objection leads to a higher profile for election reform, and greater public involvement in the issue. Being wrong would give me great pleasure.

[k8conant]

35. I admire you for that, Walt...

I hope all goes well TODAY and in the future on Election Reform.

[JoMama49]

16. When you are eating that crow, Walt, would you like some

FREEDOM FRIES WITH THAT? Heh, heh

[Snivi Yllom]

17. i'm feeling the same way

A feeling of hopeful inevitability. With a nagging sense of doubt burning a stomach acid hole in my gut.

We wont know how all of this turns out for weeks or months.

[Pithy Cherub]

18. No way we would let you not have the full meal:

side order of humble pie with whip cream, 16 oz. truth juice and a dish of au grautin groveling potatoes... :evilgrin:

It is all about the election fraud and denying further perpetration!
Thank you for the public offer of acknowledgement! :)

[lavendermist]

19. Walt...

I have been given hope by things you have said in the past and I have been disappointed. But, someone said something recently that rings true to me. We all have our own special talents and very few of us are going to help change this country in the same way. We need different ideas, positions and discussions in order to form a "more perfect union."

I hope you, and all of us for that matter, can look past the negative and destructive noise, and pursue, in our own way, alone or together, the rebuilding of this country. Individuals and people who were organized together changed history.

This isn't about one individual, it's about basic rights as a citizen. I, for one, am glad you are here to help in the discourse and hopefully the action.

That said, Lighten up. ;)

:thumbsup:

[merh]

20. I have it ready!

[Walt Starr]

22. I've seen the dish before

and have eaten it on more than one occasion.

;)

[liam97]

24. Finally Walt, we agree

I wish too you have to eat crow.

[merh]

26. So have I, that's why I know how to prepare it!

Thanks Walt, I know from your hard work here that your heart is in the right place! :hug:

[lavendermist]

25. rotfl...

That is so...... I am at a loss for words. :D

[AmerDem]

23. In the mean time

You shake this place up and at times go negative on others because they didn't share your belief. That ego of your's is something most kids grow out of.

[Jo March]

27. And will you apologize to all those here on the board

whom you have intentionally offended?

"Who died and put YOU in the driver's seat?"

"Fraudists"

I have mixed feelings about your post. You say that you will eat crow but you never offer to apologize to the posters here whom you have offended by making nasty and snide remarks.

In the last few weeks, it seems as though you have sought out the threads that were filled with the most hope simply to unleash your doubts, anger and bitterness. For that, you have not seemed remorseful. Your protests of "remorse" always came with a caveat that negated the whole theory that you had any remorse to start with.

You have ridiculed those of us who are working as hard as we can on something we believe in. You have been dismissive and sometimes quite nasty and disruptive.

You owe a lot of people an apology, not an offer to eat crow.

[marions ghost]

28. In the current climate, if u are wrong

then you may be forgiven. This has been a very hard call, a real cliffhanger. Your strong objections have been forthright and consistent, if overly negative and strident. I guess we incorrigible wishful thinkers always need a hardcore realist to bounce off of. But "reality" is an especially slippery thing these days. I'm not sure it exists anymore. Anything can happen. And we can make it happen.

Walt Starr, if you publicly eat crow I'd like to hear what u say.
It takes guts to admit being incorrect.

ButI still have the urge to give u a spank :spank:

Then u can go have a :beer: BARBARA SIGNED! :bounce:

You can take your Time Out watching C-SPAN

[livvy]

30. Amen to that! Thanks for the offer!

:) No insult intended, but I hope the meal comes to be! :)

[IndyOp]

31. As a vegetarian I would encourage you to rethink this action ;-) (n/t)

[merh]

33. Crow - also available in a tofo mold, not animal needs to be

harmed! ;-)

[flyarm]

32. walt we are all on virgin ground here...no one is right or wrong!!

thats what makes forums like this so valuable..we can see all sides of the equation, and make our judgements by looking at others researched opinions and deductions...no one could possibly be right or wrong when we are dealing with such a complex law that even experts in our constitution disagree ......no one should eat crow..as long as they invest their time to look at all sides of our votes and laws ...as long as you engage as an american you can never be wrong...

what "is wrong" is the ohhh so many who don't bother to stand for their nation , who can not be bothered knowing whats going on in their government ..in their name...

i salute anyone who gets involved...we will never all agreee 100% of the time, nor should we, great things come from just regular people who dig in and work their hardest to keep aware of what is going on, and to have the guts to share their opinions and well thought out ideas and reasoning...

what makes us so strong as a people and a nation is that opposing ideas brought us the strongest constitution in the world, and it is under the guard of all of us..."we the people"

"we the people" who have worked for the rights of all of our american brothers and sisters are all right...we just see some things differently and we must respect each others opinions and cherish the fact that that person is engaged enough and cares enough to speak out.
fly

[tavalon]

34. Which part though?

See, while I don't agree with your point of view about how detrimental this may be, you give a fairly cogent argument. I can see clearly how it could turn out that way. Is that the crow you're talking about? Or is it that you'll eat crow if the election is overturned and Kerry is installed in the White House, because if it's the latter, pack a lunch as there will be no crow for you.....

[Walt Starr]

36. About how detrimental this may be

If the election is overturned and Kerry becomes president, eating crow won't be nearly enough.

And yes, that possibility does exist, remote though it may be.

[nmoliver]

37. your post takes courage ...

Good for you!

Walt, please read the prior post about the difference between "proving fraud" and an "invalid election." It may help with your questions.

[KatieB]

38. OH Electoral votes wd be invalidated if Repugs did not contrl both houses

SO have faith

[OneBlueSky]

39. hell, I'm the one who promised to eat my keyboard . . .

if a single senator stood with Conyers . . . without mustard . . .

so I'm sitting here on the bench . . . sitting here on the Group W bench . . . wondering how chocolate sauce and a few chopped nuts might taste on a keyboard sundae . . .

:puke:

[Darknyte7]

40. I was wondering if I'd see you today!

The chocolate sauce might help...

:hi: