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sjr5740 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:34 PM
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Were the votes for Kerry and Bush switched in Florida???
Check this out. In many of the optiscan precincts the number of predicted versus actual votes for Dems and Reps are almost opposite. It is as though the voting counts were switched.

In many of the counties the number of dem voters is severely down compared to expected and the rep vote is up over 100%

Does this have any legs? Can we probe further?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x21133

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

sjr
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:37 PM
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1. anything is possible in Florida, Ohio or Texas
I don't put anything past Jeb or the Bush family
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:55 PM
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15. They have no reason to cheat in Texas
The brainwashing is complete here. Except in Austin, where we kicked Bush's butt and booted some other Republicans, too. The Reconquista has already started here, and in Dallas, from what I've seen.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:57 AM
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28. dont be so sure about texas
or anything else you have taken as fact.

maybe some of those states are not as red as they look on cnn.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:38 PM
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2. I don't know what can be done.
It's like the daily barrage of Republican lies that come so fast and furious that you are helpless to respond. I think they did so many shady things in so many places it would take an encyclopedia to list them all. You know how it is, there is so much to cover and respond to and explain, that it sounds like craziness. BASTARDS!
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:58 PM
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17. Contact Bill Nelson's office
and tell them you want something done about these voting machines - call Robert Wexler's office - call John Kerry's office - call John Edwards office - I did today and I plan to write every Dem in the House and Senate and local reps - we have to get rid of these freaking machines.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:14 PM
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23. My county
(Palm Beach) threw out Theresa Lepore last summer and elected someone who promised printers. When he takes office I'll call and make sure that they do random precinct hand counts to verify the votes.
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:52 PM
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3. I was thinking this too.


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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:53 PM
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4. I just looked at Volusia County
in 2000 Gore won the county by 14,945. Kerry only won by 3,775. Further interesting notes:

Registered Repugs: 111,372
Total Bush Votes: 111,544 (look at .pdf files, not html)

Registered Dems: 126,405
Total Kerry Votes: 115,319 (ditto)

Nader Votes 2000: 2910
Nader Votes 2004: 911

NP & Other: 72,153

Total Registered Voters: 309,930
Total Ballots Cast: 229,098
Blank Presidential Ballots: 689

I'm very active in the Dem party here and worked with Moveon.org's Leave No Voter Behind. ACT came by my house twice (husband is registered as independant but votes Dem), and I saw ACORN several times when canvassing for Moveon.org. I find it very hard to believe that all these efforts were for naught.

Let's not forget, this is the county where every night the Early Voting ballots from Daytona Beach were driven 20 miles to DeLand by two Repugs, no Dems at all. Then on top of it all, the 13,000 Daytona ballots had to be re-entered when the tally card melted in the machine. I'm sure our registered Repug Elections Supervisor thought that was perfectly fine.


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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:02 PM
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7. This type of communication was not really available 4 yrs ago
Thanks so much for the information :kick:

We were in the dark when they did this kind of thing 4 years ago.

We are inventing the wheel all over again, but this one is so much faster :thumbsup:
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:10 PM
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12. Not really. We were on different forums.
2000 many were on Salon until they started pay to post and picked up David Horwowitz. Any vote counts you want from that election check this site.
http://failureisimpossible.com/floridafollies/index.htm

DU came after the selection.
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maxsmom Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:55 PM
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5. take a look at this too
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:01 PM
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6. Yes, the evidence of fraud is indisputable...but there is no accoutability
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 05:42 PM by GoreN4
Analysis of Florida's 67 counties:
Mysterious variance between Touchscreens and Optical-Scanners

Facts:
Florida has 67 counties. Florida uses two main types of electronic voting machines, Electronic touchscreen and Optical-Scanners. In this week's election 15 counties used Elec. touchscreens, and 52 used optical scanners. The below databases has lists seperates these two types of voting technology, and shows the actual voting results compared to the total registered Democratic and Republican voters by county, and provides a simple calculation that multiples the % of registred voters by party against the actual vote totals.

'Surprising Pattern of Florida's Election Results'
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

What the author writes as a "very odd" pattern is a serious understatement. I added up the percentages for the two voting machine technologies and found that on the average, the 15 counties that use Electronic-touchscreen machines showed an incresed voter turnout for Repulicans of 27.9%, and a 23.8% increase in expected trunout for voters who voted Democratic. These 15 counties are typically the larger counties, and together represent 3,863,840 votes, or about half of Florida's total vote. Average turnout was 69.3%, which is quite high. All of this data looks valid for the Electronic Touchscreens used in Florida this past Tuesday.

Question: What Happened with those voters using Optical-Scanners?

However, when one lools at the same results for the 52 counties with Optical Scanners, something very strange is immediately apparant. The increased voting numbers for Republicans averaged a whopping 135.9%, whereas the votes for those registered as Democrats was a negative (-77.3%) when compared to the voter registration data. I am not kidding. That is how skewed the data is for this group. The total number of votes on the optical-scanners was 3,419,852 (slightly less than half of Florida's total vote)

Moreover, this pattern of decreased Democratic voters was found in 30 of the 37 counties whose voter registration roles listed as 50% of more Democratic. In otherwords, counties that had a majority of voters registered as Demcocratic voters showed a significant pattern of "disinterest" in voting in this past election (range of 37.6% to negative -64.5%), while these same counties had a huge turnout for Republican votes in predominantly Democratic-leaning counties. The range of the increase over projected/expected GOP turnout was 27.3 to 712.3%(!). Again, I kid you not. It is if a very large population of the registered Democratic voters in the Optical scaning counties only - just decided to stay home on Election Day - while the registered Democratic voters in the 15 Electronic-touchscreen countries flocked to the polls in droves. Hmmm....

Answers: There are only 3 possabilities for this startling pattern.

1) A very high number of voters registered as Independents or were new voters in Florida showed up to vote Republican on Tuesday - but ONLY in the counties that used Optical-Scanning voting machines. Given that NO such pattern is remotely exhibited in the 15 counties that used Electronic Touchscreen machines (btw, this population encompasses more people and produced more votes) - this is simply not a plausible explanation. I think fraud can be ruled in at this point, but what type of fraud? Let's look at the scenarios.

2) Perhaps an incredibly high "ballot spoilage" rate occured in the Optical-scanning counties - but only for voters who attempted to vote Democratic - not Republican. This is a possible example of what organized fraud/disenfranchisement would look like, but this scenario seems unlikely given that this same pattern is evident in 30 of the 37 counties that have a plurality of voters registered as Democratic(!). One assumes that many of the Optical-scanning voting machines will be set to allow a "re-vote" if the first attempt did not register a vote. Again, fraud is possible, but the systemic nature of the variance appears too uniform for simple "ballot spoilage" at the precinct & county level.

3) The most likely explanation of why the Optical-scan voters for John Kerry were disproporationately and systematically under-represented in 70% of the these 52 counties is likely due to vote manipulation of the central tabulation servers. In otherwords, the counties sent their data to a central computer/server ("central tablulator") via a network, and the central server was apparantly "hacked" to produce what can only be described as a absurd variance in the vote total that is way more than statistically significant.

It's almost as if the electronic touchscreen votes were protected from manipulation by a Firewall, while the Optical-scanning votes were categorically "hacked" for almost half the counties of Florida - most of them small counties with the majority of voter registred as Democratic. Honestly, once inside the tabulator/server, I suspect this could done fairly quickly if the dirty work performed by a knowledgeable operative. (Perhaps 1.5 to 2 hours)

According to BlackBox voting, these central vote tabulators can accept up to 1.5 to 2 million votes, and according to various Computer Scientists and INFOSEC experts (which includes this author), the Diebold central tabulators are unsecure in their basic design, easy to hack, and easy to manipulate the voting data.

To recap, both Ohio and Florida's exit polling around 6-7pm on Election night reflected a win for John Kerry, but strangely was not reflected in the final machine counts, and the exit poll numbers were changed by atleast one major network (CNN) around 1 am to reflect the machine counts. (Nevermind that CNN's 12:21 am exit poll data for Ohio was updated at 1:40am, which showed their sample size increased from 1963 to 2020 polled voters, but reflected a sudden change in statistics all in Bush's favor that was not mathematically possible given the sample size. Seriously, the "revised" percentages were not based on math/reality.)

Candidly stated, their is no plausible reason for the "surprising" variance in the Florida vote totals between the Touch-screen versus Optical-Scanner voting machines. Of ocurse this does help explain why the exit polls showed Kerry leading Florida by 4-5% around 6pm that night. Indeed, the only logical explanation for this variance is widespread fraud in the Florida election for the counties that used Optical-Scanning machines. Period.

It should be noted that unlike paper elections, no "recounts" on these currnet systems is required as they will simply produce the same numbers - and the apparant vote manipulation will remain hidden to the observer. That is precisely why a paper-audit trail is needed if we are to have any semblance of a democracy in the United States.

Bottom Line:

I and many other INFOSEC experts are convinced that security flaws in the DRE paperless/auditless/'proprietary code' voting system is simply too tempting of a target to ignore for this year's' political operatives - especially when the 2 monopolies (Diebold and ES&S) are heavily-aligned/invested with the GOP. In fact, I suspect this type of manipulation took place in 2000, and I am confident that something of this sort took place in the still unexplained 2002 elections in Georgia.


The only way to prove fraud beyond any shred of doubt would require nothing less than a technical review of the internal audit logs in the central tabulator server(s), and all modem/uplink activity of the central tabulators along with the source code in the harddrives of the voting machines, plus a review of the source code of the central storage servers...all of which would require a small team of network and INFOSEC forensic experts - not lawyers. Well, that ain't gonna happen because Diebold has successfully argued these are "Trade Secrets" issues, and the Republican governments in both Ohio and Florida will not likely allow an expeditious and proper INFOSEC foresic investigation of what is blatant fraud.

It is noteable that exit polling has worked for decades both here in the US and elsewhere, but since the widespread implementation of auditless electronic voting machines in 2000, the exit poll methodlogy has suddenly become flawed? No. Politics is a high-stakes game, and the history of voting manipulation is long and sometimes colorful. But today it can be done quietly from a remote keyboard, and essentially transparent without exit polling data or audit capability.

So, we are now firmly in the Orwellian world of black-box voting. If the People in this country care about their freedom, liberty and democracy, they would demand that Congress mandate any "E-voting" machines to be secure and auditable. The E-votes should be treated in the same way electronic financial transactions have been transmitted/protected for the last 20 years...along with an open review of the data as described above. But that would of course would require campaign finance reform to sever the corporate influence of companies such as Diebold, ES&S, etc, and a Congress that actually wanted the People to have faith in their voting system. Sadly, that is too much to ask in contemporary America.


We live in interesting times...
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sjr5740 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:10 PM
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8. Well stated
My tin foil hat is starting to get hot there is so much current running thorugh it.:tinfoilhat:
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:18 PM
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9. If there are criminal charges...
then their code would appear in court.
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Waistdeep Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:22 PM
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10. The incredible irony
is that the apparent fraud is not obviously related to touchscreen voting, but rather to the optical scan tabulation process. From these results it seems more likely that e-voting is more "fair" in Florida than optical scanning.

To anyone with any background in data analysis or statistics, the optiscan results SCREAM fraud, at least at first glance.



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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:50 PM
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11. Excellent analysis with one caveat.
In this case, they stayed far away from the touch screens (probably because we all made so much noise about them) and played with the central tabulators for Optiscan counties instead. There is, by definition, a paper record of each and every one of these votes. But only Kerry's team could request a recount of those ballots ... and there's no way they're going to do that now. Idiots!
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:47 PM
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13. Couldn't citizens demand a recount?
Certainly your figures would give cause. Wexler would be the one to contact.

Also, wouldn't there be counts of the votes before they left the precincts. couldn't these be compared to the final tabulations to verify whether the central servers were hacked?
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:51 PM
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14. I voted on a FL optiscan
and the thought that my vote went to that murderous bastard makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know what or how they did it but I know with everything I have that GW Bush did not beat John Kerry by 5 pts in FL.....

We have got to do everything we can to get rid of these machines. I started today by calling John Kerry's and John Edwards office, Bill Nelson and Robert Wexler's office...ALL OF MY POLITICAL activity in the next two years is going to be directed towards getting rid of these machines - or making them verifiable - and getting Dems to run for these office that go unopposed....I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK.

If anyone reading this didn't hear Mike Malloy last night I urge you to go to http://www.whiterosesociety.org and download it and listen - tells you all you need to know about these freaking machines.
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:56 PM
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16. NO, Check out historical Voting record
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 07:42 PM by pschoeb
Ustogether based projected vote on registration, these counties have high Dem registration, but vote Republican, from historical data.

Despite the registration data, which seems to match something I found here, the counties that seem to have high Dem registration but swing strongly to Bush, have a history of strong Republican voting. So I'm not sure whats going on there.

I found the registraion data here, and it seems to match the ustogether site
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voterreg/vrArchive/2004voterreg.shtml#04gen

But if you look at the 1988 election, many of these counties with high Dem registration, vote for Bush senior in the same manner as 2004
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/8/88&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=

Next is the 1992 election, but remember Ross perot syphoned aff Repug votes, same kind of republican pattern
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/3/92&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=

Next is the 1996 election
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/5/96&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=

And Finally the 2000 election
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/7/00&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=

So despite the High Democratic registration, many of these "Dems" vote Republican.
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confrontationclaws Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:02 PM
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18. Neglecting one thing...
Look at a Florida map showing counties...you'll see that the ones showing the biggest "aberrations" are those in the North and panhandle area. These "Democrats" are old southern dems, and a large number of them probably voted for Bush.

I think the vote count IS screwed up, but in the analysis that's gettting the attention here I think there's a fatal flaw, which is in the number of "expected votes"--it assumes 100% of the voters voted for the candidate of their own party. Once you consider the true nature of the old "southern democrat" and the fact that even though the shift of allegiance toward repub candidates has been going on for years, the registered party affiliations may not have been changed. A rural panhandle "democrat" is NOT an upper west side Democrat. Trust an old Floridian.
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:07 PM
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19. Thanks, That's what my analysis says too, from looking at historical data
Someone on another thread told me they are called "Harry Byrd Democrats" in the South.
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:39 PM
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20. You're not focused on the source of the variance..
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 08:21 PM by GoreN4
I understand that some if not many people in Florida could be registered as Democratic but vote Republican. I also agree that many people in Florida may have done exactly that Tuesday, but I strongly disagree that 3.5 million Floridians fall into this category - and just by pure happenstance this group is also completely segmented by voting machine technology.

The issue is thus: both Republican and Democrat voters who voted on Electronic Touchscreen machines have a relatively normal data set/distribution - each group had increased turn-out of approx 25%. However, the data set for the Optical Scannors is heavily skewed in seperate and distinct directions, and in no way corresponds with the 3.8 million Optical-scan voters. When one compares the two data sets it is clear that voting technology was the unique factor that somehow produced an unexplainably huge divergence in voting patterns b/t the population. (This is not related to a "panhandle" Floridian effect, which BTW, reminds me of "Jews for Buchannon"...)

This salient anomally is indictative of either faulty technology or fraud. Regarding voting machines, it's clear that within the same county the Optical-scan technology was not treating the two partisans "equally bad." So, taking this data into account & the evening exit polling data, I think most analytical observers would agree this variance is impressive evidence of fraud. Also, as someone well versed in IT/INFOSEC, I'm fairly sure I understand the basics of how it was done both technically and mathematically. Hint: And to answer the poster's original question - Yes. It appears the hacker did not simply add Bush votes or delete Kerry votes, but reassigned them...and he/she was clever to do this with the smaller counties, but this person was not able to manipulate the Optical-scan data b/c it is compiled on a different tabulator.

Anyhow, while it may be of some benefit to color-code the 15 counties that use Optical Scannors to look at the geograghical locations, the fact is the multiples of 4 and 7 between the two voting technolgies regarding political parties is too signficant be explained by "Harry Byrd Democrats."

(Don't forget the exit polling divergence as well...)

PS: If you want to know what I know - here's a good start...

Analysis of Electronic Voting, February 27, 2004

"We present a security analysis of the source code to one such machine used in a significant share of the market. Our analysis shows that this system is far below even the most minimal security standards applicable in other contexts.”..."we demonstrate that the insider threat is also quite considerable, showing that not only can an insider, such as a poll worker, modify the votes, but that insiders can also violate voter privacy and match votes with the voters who cast them. “

“…We conclude that this system is unsuitable for use in a general election. Any paperless electronic voting system might suffer similar flaws, despite any “certification” it could have otherwise received. We suggest that the best solutions are voting systems having a “voter-verifiable audit trail,” where a computerized voting system might print a paper ballot that can be read and verified by the voter.”

This paper appears in IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy 2004. IEEE Computer Society Press, May 2004. This paper also appeared as the Johns Hopkins University Information Security Institute Report TR-2003-19, July 23, 2003. Aviel Rubin, one the Johns Hopkins researchers has posted the technical analysis at this link: http://avirubin.com/vote.pdf

enjoy!
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:09 PM
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22. That sites projected vote is based on registration data and
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 08:12 PM by pschoeb
not historical data, if you look at historical data, the strongly scewed counties no longer seem strongly scewed. That's my point, as soon as you correct the projected vote she has with historical data and not registration data, the scewing disapears. Always beware, correlation is not always causation.

for example Liberty county which was the most highly scewed
 	 	       PERCENT CHANGE  	ACTUAL RESULTS  	 	REGISTERED 	        EXPECTED_VOTES  	
COUNTY Voting Machine REP DEM REP DEM TOTAL_VOTES %REP %DEM TOTAL REP DEM
Liberty Op-Scan-Precinct 712.3% -59.9% 1,927 1,070 3,021 7.9% 88.3% 4,075 237 2,667 74.1%

In 2004 Republicans got 63% of the vote in Liberty

but in 1988
Bush Dukakis
Liberty 1,419 709 Republicans get 66%

in 1992
Clinton Bush Perot
Liberty 820 1,126 617 Repub + Perot = 68%

in 1996
Clinton Dole Perot Repub + Perot = 61%
Liberty 868 913 376

and in 2000
Bush Gore
Liberty 1,317 1,017 Republicans get 56%

They have never ever given anything like the projected vote, that site comes up with, because it's based on registration data.

This is true for each of the highly scewed counties in the list
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:16 AM
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26. CORRECT looking at past elections in these counties
with numbers off from registration it's not strange to see large Republican margains in "Democratic" counties
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:49 PM
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24. You got me curious so I compared
2000 to 2004 in Palm Beach. I hope it comes out readable.

2000 2004
Registered 656964 729575
Ballots cast 461988 454427 (542835)
Bush 152284 35% 211894 39%
Gore 268945 62% Kerry 327698 60%

For some reason there are still some uncounted precincts (I think there were seven). For 2004 the ballots cast of 454427 appears to be incomplete because at the bottom of the page total ballots cast is listed as 542835. It looks like there are about 90,000 more ballots cast than have been listed for either candidate. This page has not changed since early a.m. on 11/3. Where are those <2% of votes? Are they all absentee? Did they count the number of absentee ballots still uncounted WITHOUT actually counting the votes? The absentee ballots were optical scanner ballots.

I checked the state page and they are listing Palm Beach as 100% of the totals in. The totals match the Palm Beach page MINUS the approximately 90,000 indicated above.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:52 AM
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30. Regarding those 90,000 "votes"
the figure of 542835 has disappeared from the web page. The percentage counted now stands at 98.99%, which is a change from yesterday, but the totals for Bush and Kerry remain the same. I don't know what that was all about. Seven precincts are still not counted according to Palm Beach, although state is saying it is 100% still. Maybe everyone just went home in Palm Beach.
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Jasper 91 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:01 PM
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21. When I saw the data , that was my immediate thought .
I am absolutely , positively , unequivocally , sure that the votes were switched . There can be NO OTHER logical explanation .:grr:
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:11 AM
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25. An analysis of just the D and R expected turnout is USELESS
unless the 20% of registered voters who are neither in Florida are figured into the calculation.
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sjr5740 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:49 AM
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27. I was thinking this too after I posted
However it seems unlikely that those 20% would all break for * only in the counties with optiscan. I think the analysis above of party registration versus voting habits makes more sense but I still find it curious that these discrepancies only occur where there are optiscan machines.

S
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:34 AM
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29. It's much more than curious..it's beyond comprehension
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 09:39 AM by GoreN4
Some have tried the nonplausible spin that Florida's politcal party registration discrepency effects are due to "the Panhandle voters" or some other excuse that is basically a "Jews for Buchannon" argument. I wish this were true, but the facts speak otherwise.

Below is the color-coded map of Florida by voting machine technology. If the strange pattern of voting was simply random, we would see the divergence across all of Florida regardless of voting machine technology.

http://vevo.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&topic_string=5std&state=Florida

Regarding the only 2 counties that used Electronic-touchscreen systems and had a 'negative' projection of expected Democratic votes is 1) Nassau, which is in the upper right hand corner of Florida, and 2) Sumter, which is basically dead-center/middle of the state. Both of these are smaller counties and the results do appear to be random. The same can not be said for about 37 counties using Optical-scanning equipment, of which 30 have 50%+ voters registered as Democratic.

To quickly deconstruct the false argument that this effect is somehow related to Florida demograpohics/geograghy, please review the results in the optical-Scan counties such as DeSoto, Hardee and Ockeechoobe - which are sandwiched b/t various touch-screen counties. The three aforementioned counties use optical-scanning and all have a voting pattern that is not at all evident in their surrounding counties that used touch-screens. In fact, those three counties and 27 more in FL that have majority Dem registrations show a "negative" projected Dem votes relative to projected/expected votes. To reiterate, this pattern applies uniquety to touch-screen voting machine technology, is not found evidenced in counties that are adjacent to them AND have Touch-screen voting systems.

(FWIW, I am in the process of comparing 2000 to 2004 voting data for these counties)

Bottom line, what is critical to realize is the variance b/t projected voteing patterns is statistically dependent on which voting machine technology was deployed, not geography. This data in conjunction with exit polls around 6pm that reflected a Kerry victory by 4-5% would be evidence of voter fraud in any nation in which Election monitoring took plave. Obviously, some beleive in that unique concept of "American Exceptionalism" which in the faith-based-community means "it can't happen here."

Meanwhile those poor souls (myself included) in the reality-based community realize the evidence is compelling that this week's election was stolen, and that we are living under tryanny.

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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:53 AM
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Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 10:54 AM by GoreN4
Opps, In my haste I made a mistatement in the previous post, below is the correct sentence structure:

To reiterate, this pattern applies uniquely to optical-scan voting machine technology, and is not found evidenced in counties that are adjacent to them AND have Touch-screen voting systems.
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