"*" "won"...right...

[RaulVB]

Interesting how even the MSM needs to tell the truth once in a while!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002133592_bushpolls29.html

His numbers don't go over 48% of approval.

If this new link does not work, please ignore the tread.

[kds]

1. hmm

I cant see the article

[shraby]

2. could you add a couple of paragraphs?

not everyone subscribes.

[Qutzupalotl]

4. Try this logon

username: salon
password: tabletalk

Works for lots of sites. ;)

[Qutzupalotl]

5. Excerpt

Reelection Honeymoon With Voters Eludes Bush, Polls Say
His approval rating is lower than every president starting a second term since 1948. The inaugural speech will be an early test.

By Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — Despite a clear-cut reelection and the prospect of lasting GOP dominance in Congress, President Bush prepares to start his second term with the lowest approval ratings of any just-elected sitting president in half a century, according to new surveys.

That distinction, which pollsters and analysts blame on public discontent over the war in Iraq, comes as Bush begins drafting two major speeches that could quickly recast his image: an inaugural address Jan. 20 and the State of the Union soon after. Bracketed between them is the Jan. 30 election in Iraq, another milestone that could affect public impressions of Bush.

His performance in those speeches and the outcome of the Iraqi vote could determine whether Bush regains the momentum from his Nov. 2 election victory in time to push through controversial initiatives such as revamping Social Security, rewriting the tax code, limiting lawsuits and trimming the budget deficit, analysts said.

A Gallup survey conducted for CNN and USA Today puts Bush's approval rating at 49% — close to his preelection numbers. That's 10 to 20 points lower than every elected sitting president at this stage since just after World War II, according to Gallup, which has been tabulating such data since Harry S. Truman won a full term in 1948.

[Qutzupalotl]

7. Pertinent question

How did Bush get "re-elected" with his approval numbers at 49% both before and after the election?

Obvious answer: he didn't.

[RaulVB]

3. Sorry guys!

I don't understand why some of your computers don't link you to the articles I post.

Trying to get a new link...

[BlueEyedSon]

6. LA Times requires registration, you probably have a cookie.

[idiosyncratic]

17. It worked for me. I use Opera as my browser.

:)

Opera

[pacalo]

8. His approval rating is equivalent to the percentage of voters

he really got: 49%.

WASHINGTON — Despite a clear-cut reelection and the prospect of lasting GOP dominance in Congress, President Bush prepares to start his second term with the lowest approval ratings of any just-elected sitting president in half a century, according to new surveys.

(snip)

A Gallup survey conducted for CNN and USA Today puts Bush's approval rating at 49% — close to his preelection numbers. That's 10 to 20 points lower than every elected sitting president at this stage since just after World War II, according to Gallup, which has been tabulating such data since Harry S. Truman won a full term in 1948.

Bush's Gallup rating echoed a survey published last week by ABC News and the Washington Post, which put his approval rating at 48%. That poll also found that 56% of Americans believed the Iraq war was not worth fighting. Time magazine also put Bush's overall approval at 49%.

"The question is, what happened to the honeymoon?" asked Frank Newport, editor of the Gallup survey.

[Verve]

9. "Bush's approval rating at 49% — close to his preelection numbers."

WELL DUHHHH! It never got above 49%. Unless, miraculously for a few hours late NOVEMBER 2nd, millions of people changed their minds, only to change them back NOV 3rd.

How can the media be so stupid????????

[RaulVB]

10. They play stupid...

They are not!

[Machiavelli05]

11. You guys ever heard of a margin of error?

Jeez... take some stat

[Verve]

12. True! Yet the margin of error was always around 3% and he never

went above 49%. So are you telling me that on election night, Bush scored in the top of the margin of error while Kerry in the lowest? Possible but really C'MON!

[Machiavelli05]

15. Yes, that could have happened

Or he could have gotten 1-2 pts higher statistically b/c of the MoE and then had the undecideds break big in his favor.

The undecideds DID break big in his favor... so I think that would follow.

Edit: and some polls did show Bush above 48%

The thing about a margin of error is that if Bush got 48% on a poll with a MoE of 3pts...then a 51% is just as likely as as a 45%... there is no statistical difference and there is no different probability of any number between 45-51 of being accurate.

And some of the polls had a MoE of more.. 4-5.5% was not uncommon.

[Verve]

21. What polls did Bush get above 49%? The Repug Rasmussen poll?

Give me a break! Also, it seems strange that the undecideds broke for Kerry up until late Nov 2nd. (This includes the swing states that had early polling!) How odd that undecided voters came out in droves a couple of hours before closing just to vote for Chimpy! HMMM! The long lines in Ohio in black communities and college areas sure didn't look like Chimpy voters to me.

But, hey, maybe Rove and Chimpy just prayed really hard and parted the waters, or turned water into wine. Yeh, miracles do happen! And some miracles, like Bush will find out, are going to send him and his buddies to prison and for that matter hell!

[RaulVB]

13. You ever heard of common sense?

Jeez...talk to your mom!

[Machiavelli05]

16. Are you even old enough to vote?

[merh]

20. Funny, that was going to be my question to you!

:shrug:

[mdb]

14. Oh I see.

MSM doesn't even think to question these polls, but exit polls are questioned. Even when exit polls are more accurate.

[KansDem]

18. My adding machine says Kerry won...

So who are you going to believe? My adding machine or Diebold's?

[helderheid]

19. yours.

;)

[KansDem]

22. Thanks! But I need now to make it "official..."

Like Bush and Blackwell, I need "low friends in Ohio places" to make it "official."

Then its a cakewalk to the White House for Kerry!

[k8conant]

23. There's no honeymoon because the American voters didn't say "I do"

"The question is, what happened to the honeymoon?" said Frank Newport, editor of the Gallup survey.