George Soros' big mouth

[kclown]

IMHO, this is what beat us.  You don't see Adolph Coors or
Richard Mellon Scaife holding press conferences every week.

Put up AND shut up, George.

[Inland]

1. No, Coors runs for the Senate and Scaife owns the newspaper.

While Soros funds democracy around the world. Take your own advice, dude.

[kclown]

24. Beating a dead horse

After the 1972 election, Pauline Kael was quoted to the effect
that she was astonished at the result, because no one she knew
had voted for Nixon.

[Inland]

57. And so you quote the frickin movie critic. What is this, a joke?

You really are clueless, aren't you? Coor buys his way to office, Scaife runs a newspaper and hired dectectives to sniff Clinton's sheets, but Soros, who made his money and didn't just inherit it, should shut up so you can quote the wisdom a movie critic. You freepers are a joke, but you can't figure out its all on you.

[democracyindanger]

2. His money's good but his opinion isn't?

Whatever. And maybe you never hear from those guys because Scaife is a paranoid shut-in, and Adolph Coors is dead.

[kclown]

4. Hey, I'm serious

A guy with an accent telling the country to vote for Kerry
turned off a few or more voters.  I know some of them
personally.  There's a difference between freedom of speech
and tactical smarts.

I could say the same thing about Michael Moore.  It feels
good, but it doesn't help.

[LisaL]

6. Now, that's just sick.

Apparently people with an accent aren't supposed to express their opinion in this country?
:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:
And why do you think all of the sudden that accent is bad?
Arnold is doing pretty well as governor of Ca, isn't he?
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[genieroze]

14. Arnold is doing pretty well as governor of Ca, isn't he?

Good point. You don't understand, pubs can do whatever the heck they want and the librul media will ignore it. When dems do something even though it doesn't amount to a hill a beans the librul media will turn it negative.

[candice]

44. Yeah, he's collected more from special interests than Gray Davis

ever thought of. Lots of money from real estate/developer interests who want to destroy critical habitat for endangered species and add more cheap buildings to the California landscape.

Also, Schartznegger campaigned for Bush in Ohio!

He wasn't able to shove in candidate for the state assembly, such as the billionaire Poisner (no real public service, just $$ for ads) over Democrat Ira Ruskin in Silicon Valley, nor did his favorite bond measures go to his liking. The trumped-up "recall" was based on a deficit (caused by a turn-around in the economy that is national, partially the result of the balloon in the stock market (invest your society security in that crap game)) and Davis's supposed beholding to special interests. It would have been hard for Arnie to run a real campaign (one that was longer). It took the L.A. Times a long time to document the numerous groping charges. In the abbreviated "recall," the L.A. Times didn't announce their finding until just before the election.

Without steroids, where would Arnie be today? He supposedly met with Rove before the campaign. How anyone remotely moral would want to be associated with the party of Karl Rove is beyond me. One can only hope that there is karma.

[buddysmellgood]

8. We gots to rounds up them forin sounding en fatsy libruls and lock em up!

[democracyindanger]

11. And yet,

I bet those people you know would happily vote for Schwarzenegger. Any votes we lose because of Soros' accent are republican ones.

[dargondogon]

12. What kind of accent does Michael Moore have?

It's not as distinctive as Henry Kissinger's, so I have a hard time recognizing it.

[dkofos]

19. Yeah, I can tell by your name how serious you are.

Kclown what a fucking joke

[kclown]

26. Not a joke

My wife is Kathy.

[BlueDog2u]

25. Pronoun without an antecedent=fuzzy thinking

"It feels
good, but it doesn't help."

S'wot?

[kclown]

32. Please! n/a (no antecedent)

[BlueDog2u]

40. My point exactly

What does your "it" refer to?

[bunny planet]

35. But the Arnold Ammendment is ok???????

[Lefty48197]

52. tell your friends to listen to Ahnold extolling the virtues of Bush

why do they listen to him?

[Dream of the Flood]

55. Wrong, wrong, WRONG!!!

I know first hand that this is is completely false. This is either your own prejudice creeping through, or you're pandering to those who are beyond hope anyway. I know, because I did a bit of it myself during the early stages of the election. I used to say, though I agreed with him, that Michael Moore had the wrong image, that we needed someone like Bono or Brad Pitt to say these things. I recognize that this is wrong. I was still of the minset of "We need to have people who can dress up and appear like them." No. We just need people to stand up for what they believe in. My original opposition to Kerry during the primaries was based on how I believed rethugs would perceive him. Thinking like that doesn't produce a winning team.

Is anyone on the right ashamed of that pig Karl Rove? (I call him a pig only in the sense that he is such an awful human being) No. They celebrate him. He is their hero. Do they say Shrub's stupidity is a liability? No. We need to celebrate everyone who stands up for our cause.

I remember the same crap when Sinead O'Connor ripped the picture of the pope. I remember hearing people say they agreed with her message, but no one wants to hear that coming from a crazy Irish bald woman. Celebrate your wingnuts. Afterall, they might be closer to the mainstream than you realise, and will be instrumental if we are ever to win the hearts and minds of any on the other half of our country. We will be doomed to failure if we are not proud of all of those who speak our values because we would be a: hypocrits and b: eating our own.

[billbuckhead]

5. Anytime George Soros wants to give advice, we should listen

Soros maybe more in touch with what's really going on in the world than any of our Democratic "leaders".

[sled]

29. Soros

George Soros has done more to bring democracy to the world, & return it to the US, than Jr.'s henchman could, or would, ever do.

The Dem leadership had more money, more support on the ground, & more of everything, than they've ever had, in the history of the world, & they blew it. Whether it was getting beat, guarding the vote, or whatever they try to say it was, they blew it.

Time they look in the mirror, & then crawl off the plank.

They blew it, not the rank & file. They had a party united, the likes I'd never seen before, & blew the whole ball of wax.

Leadership??? What leadership??? The people did mighty fine...exceptional, but the leadership, just wasn't, & still isn't, there.

Where are they now??? Lieberman??? Last time I saw him (yesterday), he was still shuckin' & jivin' for Jr., like he's done...forever...

If they've got any balls, they left them at home...for the entire campaign. Rolled over like a Maytag...over, & over, & over...sheesh...pathetic...

[bunny planet]

36. Agreed, he has first hand experience living under a totalitarian regime.

When he talks ,we should pay attention. He recognizes the road our government is going down and he wants to help us stop it from happening. I'm so glad we've got a Daddy Warbucks with a conscience on our side for a change.

[vpigrad]

3. So, you're saying that speaking-out is bad?

Why are you so anti-first amendment?

[kclown]

7. Finally: flamed after 376 posts n/t

[punpirate]

9. If someone calls you...

... an asshole, that's flaming. If someone disagrees with you, that's a discussion.... :)

[lakeguy]

13. hey, i wanna be flamed too!

it is sad, but i think op has a point. remember what happened with the letter writers from the UK in OH? that was just plain embarrassing:( it's sad, but many people in the country aren't exposed to accents in every day life. i experienced the "mistrust" doing some research on lakes with a swede. i did the talkin when we were out in the country even though he was the brains behind the operation.

[kclown]

17. Thank you sincerely

We really have to reconsider the mechanics of our government. 


I remember reading in the past year the reminiscences of some
long-time Republicans in southern and western states.  They
would schedule routine party functions and find them
"packed" with registered voters whom they had never
even heard of.  Votes and candidates were suddenly off the
radar.  

This is reality, folks. 

[patdem]

15. And, well deserved I might say. As lizzy said

republicans can have accents and even nazi ties and be talked about to run for president of the US, but Soros, just because he is rich, has fostered democracy throughout the world with his own money, and has an accent is usless to speak to America?? :shrug:

Flame, you should be cremated (figuratively of course)!!!

[vpigrad]

39. You call it a flame when...

someone disagrees with you that Soros doesn't have the right to speak? I think you need to have more experience with the Internet before coming to conclusions like that.

[kclown]

10. I really am serious

I live in the 2nd CD Maine, which was blue by 2%.  Do you guys
have any idea how many votes went against Teresa?  

This is how Rove works.  Remember pork rinds?

[mdhunter]

18. It's not Rove's fault people "went against Teresa"

It's their own. Anyone that couldn't think critically enough about why she was "bad" or why they thought her presence was cause enough not to vote for Kerry isn't someone, I think, that can be reasoned with anyway.

For those people, it doesn't matter what the hell Soros says because they're liable to vote against Democrats due to any Republican spin, not just an attack on the more outspoken lefty partisans.

I, for one, am totally unconcerned about personal politics. I don't care if idiots though Teresa was bad, and voted against, only insofar as it signal the democrats failure to make the election about something greater than personalities. That where, lamentably, democrats are poor. They failed to promote an cohesive message that left personalities open to criticism. It wouldn't have mattered if Moore, Soros, et. all, had been silent - the attack on the major players from the right would have been enough to swing the uncritical you speak of.

[kclown]

28. Precisely, and better than I said it

Stevenson, in 1956, replying to "Sir, all the thinking
people will vote for you", "But madam, I need a
majority".

Eisenhower was a real war hero, and a better president than he
gets credit for.  See Pentagon Papers.  

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Are you a freeper?

You sound like one.

[kclown]

38. "Queen of Apartheid" is how one person described her.

Do you think he thought of that by himself?  I know for a fact
that he didn't.

[dargondogon]

22. Rove is sustained by chicken network executives and print editors

Who won't record and report his threatening diatribes and shameless news manipulation schemes. He calls, they jump, asking how high on the way up. Why? Because nobody ever got fired for lying about Bill Clinton in the media, but telling the truth about George Bush is a great way to end up in the bread line.

[Joe Chi Minh]

54. If you are serious,

why identify yourself as a clown? "kclown", and your point seem to speak in perfect unanimity.

We don't want to call you a clown, or think of you as one, but you're ruthlessly forcing our hand; so why not use a different name and be just a little more subtle, like most of your colleagues? You can do better, can't she, lads and lassies?

[Starlight]

16. That's BS

Most of the people who would be offended by "furriners" have never heard of Soros.

[OnionPatch]

20. Wow, this is just my opinion

but I find it a real bummer to hear someone talk so disrespectfully about someone who has tried so hard and given so much to help our cause. George Soros is so rich that he could easily advantage from Bush policies and yet he chooses to support what is right. I have nothing but respect for him and I, for one, acknowlege his contributions with the utmost gratitude.

I also think it's wonderful that he comes out and talks to the world about what he supports and why instead of hiding behind the scenes like a sneaky weasel.

[kclown]

23. I love Soros and Moore to death

I'm trying to say that the annoyance factor was decisive.  The
whole r/w trip is to get people thinking "How could you
possibly vote for this guy?"  Their guy doesn't have to
say anything, wins by default. Literally.

I distinctly remember from 2000 Limbaugh getting exercised
about McCain after N.H.  He discovered that Cindy's father was
a beer distributor and started calling McCain the
"Senator from Beer".

It worked!  How and why are mysteries.  

I am fully aware that this is pathological, but it's real.  

This is becoming a pretty good discussion.

[cornermouse]

30. And if they didn't have accents or were born in another

country, Rove would have thought a little longer, a little harder and found something else that appealed to the prejudice in people...

Think about it.

[sled]

34. Agreed...somewhat...

I think it's how you stated it, right off the bat, cause a lot of folks, owe a lot to Mr. Soros. I used to work in drug policy reform, & he helped us, when nobody would give us the time of day. His people are salt of the earth...great folks, dedicated as hell. You just hit a raw nerve, with that first comment.

I've seen folks like you wrote about, though. Don't know Soros, from Shinola.

[kclown]

37. Thanks for a good analysis

It's very well to be high-minded, but we've seen that winning
elections takes low-mindedness too.

There is a reminiscence from, I think, Begala, about the 1992
campaign, where the Clinton people get wind of an upcoming
"womanizer" attack from the Bush people.  They sent
an envoy to the Bush people, who said "We know we're
vulnerable on this, but so are you."  Called off.

"Seven Days in May", ca 1962, uses this issue.

[sled]

49. No problem

I used to work with Ethan Nadelmann, a Soros guy, & he's one of the best people, I ever met. Someone you definitely want on your side, in a fight.

[EFerrari]

21. kclown, my family used to be the colored people in Sunnyvale,

CA. (Mom's family from El Salvador.) And instead of racial ephithets against Latinos, one neighbor called her a "gypsy" because he'd never met anyone from Central America! lol

If we had voice recordings of the Founders, they'd all have accents.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

27. Stop attacking Soros!

He is a good man!

[Griffy]

31. Every time u attack fellow antibusher, you weaken our cause...

if they made a mistake.. they still want the freedom for you that bush will take... dont turn our your own because the real enemy is out of reach. We are the group of people of accents, they are the party of 1 color, 1 religion, 1 purpose... to impose their morals on you!

[Carolab]

33. Soros has always perplexed me

What exactly IS he up to?

He is a partner in the Carlyle Group. He founded the National Endowment for Democracy. He invented the hedge fund (Quantum Fund) and his speculation in money markets worldwide caused the collapse of the pound sterling (and the Bank of England), devalued the lira and by supporting its dissident movement pushed Czechoslovakia into third-world status.

He does business with and is involved in multiple organizations with Bush cronies. It seems to me that Soros is the flip side of the same coin of world domination, with him at the helm instead of the neoconservatives, a key difference between them being Soros' extreme anti-Zionism.

What exactly is the purpose of his Open Society Institute?

Here is an interesting background article:

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/soros.html

[Igel]

48. Sssshhhhhh!

Don't mention facts that disagree with reality. /sarcasm

But seriously ... why is it that people are so busy trying to build up heroes? Not everybody on our side is wonderful or fully on "our" side (whatever you take that to mean).

And the quip from far above that Soros has insight because he lived under totalitarianism ... remember, there were very, very long lines of very distraught people crying to see Stalin's body after he died.

He has his agenda, we have ours. "Fellow traveller."

[DrBlix]

56. Thank You Carolab

George Soros is the big bad wolf wearing a "Red Ridinghood" costume with a smile on his face. Under this costume is the BIG bad wolf.
.
He is also a neolib the oppostite of neocon but they are all one and the same, playing both sides down the middle. It's a win win situation.
.
George Soros Bought Movin On cash on the barrel head.
.
Hard researching Soros he has so many blind charitable org. but all are a front to what he is really about and that is money and power. To George, Philanthropy = Profit = POWER.
.
When Amy Goodman was going to interview David Ray Griffin the author of "The New Pearl Harbor", Soros said no. Soros had just contibuted to Democracy Now .......
.
It took much digging but the real George Soros comes though if you dig deep enough. Last year when I said as much many said hey we need the money......they said who cares about all that. I said at the time take the money but be aware.
.
George Soros ALWAYS has a plan and that plan ALWAYS benefits George Soros.
.
Check out GS in Russia.....Check out GS In Malysia and other countries
.
He is not "Red Ridinghood" with a smile on his face, he really is the big Bab Wolf.

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[robbedvoter]

43. Uh, what's a monestary?

[sled]

46. A covent

...built of greenbacks?

[robbedvoter]

42. let's see: Soros, Moveon, MM, ACT - who else should we execute

to entice the GOP have of a kider disposition to us? (not steal elections next time?)
I know I am not supposed to say this, but this is such a talking points thread it's not funny.


Also, in light of the wise remarks at #47, I will not post anything to encourage such a revolting piece of....thread.

[Matariki]

47. the title of this thread is rude and inflammatory

it is ridiculous to insist that progressives should shut up and behave like the republican right. I especially find the comments about accents and about Teresa offensive. That's what shrill republicans were saying about Hillary, and look where she is.

i'm sorry i responded to this thread - and consequently kicking it. i wish posts like this were ignored. i'll do my best to do that in the future.

[sled]

50. Late to the party

I think he's learned his lesson, already... ;-)

[Lefty48197]

51. Oh go to hell. Keep on talking George, we need more voices like yours

and if you think Murdoch and Coors don't use their money to spread the vile message of Republicanism, then you haven't been paying enough attention.

[Joe Chi Minh]

53. Why do

you people identify yourselves so clearly, even satirically. Your name is not the only one on here like that by any means. Must be your consciences... er..well..I mean er...