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FDRLincoln Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:33 PM
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Not Kerry's Fault
It's not Kerry's fault, folks. Stop blaming him. The margin in Ohio for Bush is greater than the number of provisional ballots. He can't win.

We must start fighting for 2006 and 2008 TODAY!!!

No one can save our country but ourselves.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:34 PM
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1. you sound like a Bush supporter...
who will never blame Bush for anything....orf course Kery has to take some blame...he is not the only reason we lost but he has to shoulder some of the blame...
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FDRLincoln Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:36 PM
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6. don't call me a bush supporter!
Don't call me a Bush supporter! I'm well aware of Kerry's mistakes. But he ran a much better campaign than Gore did, but lost by a bigger margin.

We need to face the fact that this country has taken a sharp turn to the right. We have to start taking the country back from the bottom up, starting with the school boards and city councils. It's how the rightwingers did it and we have to do it too. This is a 20 year struggle ahead of us but we cannot give up.
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WheresWaldo Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:34 PM
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2. kerry failed to energize the base
thats what the republicans did with theirs, and they won. LETS LEARN FROM OUR FRIGGIN MISTAKES
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:35 PM
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3. i agree
i think he did the best he could
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:35 PM
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4. It's ABSOLUTELY his fault.
We KNOW the fix was in, and they swore up and down they were going to fight it. "No surrender", my ass. MOTHERFUCKING LIAR.
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:36 PM
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5. but they didn't know how many provisional ballots there were!
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:36 PM by Gothic_Sponge
He just gave up!
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:39 PM
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9. reporting for duty?
no. turning tail and running away, is more like it.

kerry is a bigger coward than bush.

fuck him and fuck any dem who agrees with him.

how dare he turn his back on 1000s of people who rearranged their entire lives to stump for him


(did the red sox concede to the yankees when they were down 0-3? no they stayed and fought and made history)
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:37 PM
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7. I agree that it it NOT Kerry's fault.
It's the media's fault. It's corporate americas fault. It's the stupidity of the south's fault.
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Gardeaux08 Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:37 PM
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8. The reality is this:
Kerry did a fine job. But he didn't appeal to many Democrats let alone Republicans. I think we, as a party, need to really ask ourselves exactly what it is about our ideology that turns people off. Criticize me if you will, but I think we are turning a blind eye of we don't examine this.

That said, I keep hearing about Bush being the more "moral" choice. I can't, for the life of me, figure out what is immoral about John Kerry.
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shawcomm Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:45 PM
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10. bullfuckingshit!
That piece of shit gave up. We never gave up. He promised to fight for us, that he 'had our backs'... yeah, he stabbed us in the back. Fucking traitor.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:53 PM
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11. Florida Was the Key, Kerry did better in Ohio than Gore
When you look at the numbers, the Dem's poor results in Florida were the key. Kerry did much better in Ohio than Gore did in 2000, but Kerry did much worse in Florida than Gore did in 2000. If all of the votes had been counted, there is NO DOUBT that Gore would have won Florida. Instead, Kerry lost Florida 52-47, with Nader only at 1%.

The reason why Kerry lost both Florida and Ohio is that much larger numbers of registered Repubs showed up at the polls than Dems. Kerry did well with independents in Ohio (and to a lesser extent in Florida).

Ohio has always had much higher total numbers of registered Republicans. In Ohio, each party's voters said they voted for their own party's candidate by similarly overwhelmingly large percentages. In Florida, 14% of registered Dems said they voted for Bush.

While there was a major registration effort in Ohio, in the end, it only resulted in 300,000 more total registrations in 2004 than existed in 2000.

Another factor is that nationally, 50% of Latinos voted for Bush. I could understand Cuban-Americans voting for Bush, but I can't understand lower income Latinos of other national backgrounds voting for Bush.
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yellowdawg Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:56 PM
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12. a nation of morons
It's tough to face the fact that the majority of voters in America are sheep. Simple people in search of simple solutions, which the Repugs provide on a daily basis.

Our job now is to educate and motivate.
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goju Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:59 PM
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13. Yes it is
Lets face it, he was NOT consistent in his policies. Each day he read the polls, and each day he had a new "plan". The war was the deciding factor in this election and he failed to remain consistent in that matter. I dont know whether going anti war would have helped, but he at least needed to be consistent regardless of what side he came down on.

The country, for good or bad, was most worried about the war. Kerry had every opportunity to take a better stand on that issue but he chose not to. He chose to let the polls decide his strategy for him, and he was properly punished for it.

2008 should be the focus. Forget the mid terms right now. I dont know if hillary is the best candidate in 08 but that is what should be the topic of conversation starting now. No more whining. No one ever accomplished anything by throwing a temper tantrum. We are all adults, right?

Yesterday happened and there is NO changing that. We took a risk putting kerry out there and he lost. Ok, lets move on. How bout Obama in 08 (just food for thought), or Biden, or Richardson....

discuss

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stldemocrat Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:04 PM
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14. It's Kerry's fault...
because he sucks.
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