REALITY: Idiot Bush DESTROYED US!!!!!! We need to face the truth!!!

[leftyandproud]

Bush has 286 electoral votes, and he won by 3.8 million POPULAR votes...receiving more support than ANY PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.

The Republicans gained 4 Senate seats.
The Senate now has 55 Republicans vs 44 democrats.

We lost out SENATE LEADER...something that hasn't happened in more than 50 years.

In 12 out of 12 states (including BLUE states!), gay marriage ammendments passed by overwhelming margins of 75%.

In the HOUSE, it was worse. The GOP picked up 8 more seats, adding to their majority.

This is IN ADDITION to the gains they made in 2002!!

Republicans also gained important STATE houses in Indiana and Missouri and retained power in every other state.

For the past two elections, they have added to their majority in all three branches of government, and they have won more governorships across the country than EVER before.

Let's face it. 9-11 pulled the country to the right. America is now a conservative (stupid) nation.

[rockydem]

1. Kerry got a shit-load of votes too - it wasn't 1984

The pendulum will swing back in our direction. I guarantee it.

[petepillow]

19. Seriously. Kerry got more than anyone too...

anyone, that is, except fuckface w. big turnout 2004 = wrong turnout 2004.

it comes down to the young voters. i hope they look back in shame in the years to come. perhaps that will make a difference in future elections.

[Dems Will Win]

66. THE solution is in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x16099

[BillZBubb]

25. "The pendulum will swing back in our direction"

Of course it will. The problem is not if but when. We are now guaranteed four more years of incompetence on every issue--and maybe longer.

This election was a disaster.

[DixieDem]

71. Four more years - NOT!!!

At LEAST 48% of the voting public will NOT approve of four more years like the last four. There will be hell to pay if they try to pull this crap on us again - and not ONLY from us dems. The message that his base wasn't totally thrilled with his performance came through loud and clear as well.

[bhikkhu]

86. appreciate the sentiment, but

"hell to pay" was suposed to be if this election was stolen, after the fiasco of 2000. They did it again, not just the presidency, but the senate, and "yawn", hell to pay in 2006 or 2008 is unlikely to scare any smug repug

[fryguy]

46. pendulum?

sure, we might pick up seats and even have the presidency, but what this election has done is all but guarantee the supreme court is going conservative - and no matter what the pendulum does, THOSE effects will take years, if not decades and lifetimes to correct....

[young_at_heart]

2. Is this the end of the two-party system?

Reagan began the "shift" when he effectively demonized the word "liberal" and it's been downhill ever since. The corporations have taken over the US. It's now an "us and them" society.

[zoidiasoft]

80. democratic identity crisis - bonesman Kerry

Nader said that corporations now inhabit Washington DC and have taken away the people's voice. This is the number 1 issue facing the american people (not the economy, the war in Iraq or moral values). The people have the power to take power back, if they are willing. Right now there are alot of angry feelings. Below is a quote from a friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous:

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These Bastards deserve everything this Administration can throw at them, and Nader had nothing to do with this. At last count, there were 275 million Whites, and 75 million African Americans in this country with a large segment of the Hispanic communities voting for the Republicans. There are several reasons for this shift; most notable of these are religion and, what I call the "Tiger Woods" syndrome. BTW, You recall the e-mail I sent concerning the Evangelical leaders, whom were steering their flock into "R" column, for thirty pieces of silver. Judas!

Now the only reason Bush didn't win by a landslide was because youth got out and voted, in the suburbs those young white voters nullified their parent's vote.

When I saw West Virginia went into the (Bush) column last night, it became very clear what was happening. Man, 90% of the population WV is on some form of government assistance, and uneducated. Now what in the world do they have in common with the Poster - Republicans?

New York and California represents the metropolitan - open-minded part of America. Whereas, the rest of America consist of these… Doomsday/ Bible Thumping - Gun Toating - NASCAR - Racist Beer Drinking S.O.B.'s.
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Personally I'm a Nader supporter (which is why he referred to Nader above). I think that what the democrats have been doing wrong these past 4 years is that they've been trying to "out republican" the republicans. Democrats are much farther to the right than they were during JFK's era. Part of this is the result of the Clinton strategy, which was effective for a time, but it led to an identity crisis because now they are too close to the republicans on issues like tort reform and corporate misbehavior. Democrats try to distinguish themselves by saying that they are for stem cell research, but so are Arnold Schwarzenegger and Nancy Reagan. They say they are for gay rights, but the Terminator was a friend of Joe Weider and many gays, so where is the democratic identity distinct from republicans? Sure there are differences, but they are not very clear now.

Do yourself a favor and take a look at the Nader platform at http://www.votenader.org. You will see that this is essentially the same platform that Jack Kennedy ran on in 1960.

I am disturbed by the fact the Kerry and Bush are both bonesmen and blood relatives and that this fact did not get more airtime. It makes me wonder slightly if this whole campaign was just an act designed to make us think we really had a choice. Events like the Dean scream and sudden drop in polls are a little suspicious. I kinda doubt there is a deep conspiracy here, but it does make me wonder. I think reasonable people out to wonder when too many of these strange events coincide.

Regards,
Curt Manwaring

[progressivebydesign]

3. DIEBOLD. n/t

[tngledwebb]

6. Right,

but with corporate media complicity, and maybe even some Dems.

[Carla in Ca]

38. They promised Ohio, didn't they? Promise kept.

n/t

[The Doctor.]

61. Yes- They did promise to commit to Chimpy

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm

[jdj]

77. I have only heard the name Wally O'Dell once here today, and

it was because I am the one that used it.

"Most memorably, O'Dell last fall penned a letter pledging his commitment "to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President."

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

[tngledwebb]

4. Not legally he didn't.

The truth is we were robbed, again.
And if we let it destroy us, all is lost.

[springhill]

8. For the last time..........

They stole the damn election. We have to realize what is going on here. They could not afford to step aside. There is too much dirty laundry. We don't live in a democracy. We have machines where you can't even tell if they functioned correctly. How can you live in a democracy like that? Yes, there are a lot of ignorant people who voted for Bush, but you will never get me to believe 3 and a half million more people voted for that goon.

I have been saying for two years how this election was going to turn out. I never believed that they would steal an election to just give it back four years later. No, they have an agenda for this country, and whether we want it or not, they are going to jam it down our throats, through illegal means or otherwise.

[smirkymonkey]

29. I agree with you, and secretly I believed they would do this

all along - I never thought they would win legitimately, and I still thing they didn't .

They cheated. Period.

[CarinKaryn]

53. Yes, the voter machines helped them commit fraud

and will do so in the future.
We don't, and won't, even know what the real totals are.

[Zep]

57. Re: "For the last time.........."

>>>> They stole the damn election. We have to realize what is going on here...

They did.

Call me a paranoid, but I think the Pubs had some help at a high level within the Democratic party.

As I type this, I'm listening to John Kerry's concession speech.

A feisty intro by Edwards, followed John Kerry's speech.

Says he talked to W on the phone about unity.
He just thanked us from the bottom of his heart. Twice.
Now he's thanking his family.
Now he's thanking his campaign workers.
Ye gods! Now he's thanking the Republicans.
Thanks, thanks, thanks, blah, blah, blah.
He says don't lose faith. Someday we will change the world.
He knows our struggles, he'll never forget us, blah, blah, blah.
We are all Americans, blah, blah, blah.

He pledges to bridge the partisan divide. We must win the war on terror. Got that?

Life goes on. The economy, health care, science. We're America and America always moves forward.
Now he's kissing the asses of his constituency in Massachusetts.

America is great and good.

God bless America. End of speech.



It is so sad and so lame.

WTF really happened? That's what I want to know.

[springhill]

72. You know I have thought of that myself.......

Democrats on the 911 commission helping to cover that up. Sometimes I think stuff like this has been going on for a long time and that I just woke up to it with the theft of the 2000 election.

[Ravenseye]

5. We can't give up.

Even the start of world war 2 looked bad. Hitler took all of continental europe, was in artillery range of Moscow, and could have invaded England without trouble. Our navy was decimated at Pearl Harbor.

Things looked really really bad, like the world was going Nazi. People were afraid the Japanese would soon invade the west coast, the nazis would invade england, then invade the east coast.

Don't get discouraged. We have the TRUTH on our side. Our ideas and ideals are right and better. Period. Don't give up on it. We can win this fight. We can save the ignorant people in the south and west.

We can do this. Dont' turn off. Don't give up.

WE WILL WIN

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Why should I care for people who do not

want to listen becuuse of jeezus... look maybe what tehy need is a second great depresion

[leftyandproud]

11. People DESERVE this fucking government.

Let them have it. It will guarantee democrat dominance in 2008.

[indie_voter]

49. I agree they anybody who voted republican deserves this

I don't know if we will have democrat dominance in 2008.

I just don't know.


This part of a longer quote from the declaration of independence seems apt today:

"Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed." Thomas Jefferson

[bhikkhu]

88. Idea:

Buy nothing. The corporate economy of the nation hinges upon consumer purchasing. "The forms to which they are accustomed", the luxuries and extravagances which fuel not just our economy, but our government and its excesses. Buy nothing - stop the cogs of the machine which just royally screwed us. Christmas is coming, and an economic protest of this sort could be the perfect storm, at the perfect time.

[Greenbeard]

17. We will win

Well said Ravenseye. We will win eventually but it sure seems like it is going to be a long hard struggle. To win we must find a better way to present the issues. The hyposcrisy has to stop. Perhaps an attempt to merge with the Green party would be helpful. We must stand strong and speak the truth at EVERY moment. Even when unpopular. Especially when unpopular. Going after these undecided voters was so off-target. Who the hell was really undecided? Never again can we allow some bullshit like "flip-flopping" be used to sway the sheeple. We must stand strong in our beliefs. Speak loud and often. The struggle continues.


That being said, I am so dissapointed with the majority of americans today. The differences were clear. Americans have chosen a very dangerous path by voting for this corrupt administration. It is hard to even imagine how the world will look in four years.

[The Doctor.]

60. Yes... but there are nikes now... lots of them. N/T

[CaptainCorc]

67. Well, at least give the west some credit...they don't call us the

Left Coast for nothing. And just for the sake of history let's remember that contrary to being capable of invading England "without trouble", the Battle of Britain rendered a German invasion of England impossible from Hitler's point of view.

I wouldn't count on saving people from themselves by letting them know they are ignorant. It may be true, but it's not persuasive.

[featherman]

9. We got our asses kicked

Despite my protests to the contrary, 9/11 DID change everything. We have become a frightened, angry nation... an ignorant and dangerous international bully. I feel terrible that we let the world down. I feel terrible for my idealistic children who I had always taught that peace and justice were worth working for.
God help us all... the most powerful country in the world is controlled by an evil and greedy right wing regime of religious zealots. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. They will never willingly relinquish this power.

[DemCam]

10. The popular vote cannot be denied, folks.

They bested us and we're in a world of hurt.

The Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court.

We're in trouble for a while. I honestly can't at this moment imagine my life and fit myself into this country's values right now. I suppose I'll adjust as we all will.

I certainly fooled myself, though....and was fooled by all of the energy at the the campaign.

Wow! It is just now beginning to sink in.

[SmokeyTheBear]

12. i agree lefty......

We got beat, plain and simple. and now the bickering inside our party is already starting. :( I think i just may pack up and move north. :/

[TreasonousBastard]

13. Ummmm, yeah...

we now have the government we deserve.

As I keep saying, beyond any fraud most of the country actually WANTS Shrub and his buddies in office.

No matter how bad things get, they will first deny that things are getting bad, and then blame it all on something else.

I am sickened, but I have learned not to brood too much on things that I cannot control. Just deal with them as best I can.

Every organization opposed to present policies has to be supported as much as we can, and perhaps new ones built.

We must prepare for 2006, when maybe we can get a few House seats back.

Most of all, we must continue to live our beliefs.

Christians have gotten a bad name around here thanks to the wingnut churches out there, but there is a marvelous tradition of Christian witnessing that still exists.

It's not preaching, but simply saying "No" when something is wrong and "Yes" when it is right. Be true to your ideals and beliefs in thought and action.

They can beat you up, even kill you, but they can't own you.

[leftyandproud]

18. Look on the bright side

The the country is completely f*cked in 2006, they can't blame in on Clinton's penis.

[Fovea]

14. May we all survive the next year.

I pray this devoutly.
But I think it is all going to fall apart in 05.
I think we are heading into a very rough patch.

Kerry conceeded thinking this election would trigger a civil war.
Hint, Senator-- your quitting has not calmed the waters, and you cannot restore civility by negotiating with terrorists. Al Qaeda and the Taliban won this election because you were not willing to put us through another civil war. I really thought you understood what the cost was of giving up, all along.

But what it really means is that Senator Kerry has fragmented the Dem base at the very moment we needed it to lead.

I want to say something very unpleasant to you Mr. Senator.
Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, hell, even Dick Gephardt would not have conceeded this easily. I know you are not a coward. But you have proved yourself a fool. Worse, you may have destroyed the Democratic party at the moment our nation needed it most.

You do not have the luxury of withdrawing to lick your wounds, Mr. Senator. What tatters are left of your party need you. And what it needs you to do is take off the freakin gloves and fight. We are so screwed with SCOTUS. We are so cheneyed with the 'war on terror'/abortive oil empire building thing.

We are about to become something like a theocratic, aristocratic, soviet, Argentina.

Welcome to the brink of hell, America.

[rniel]

15. I think if you study history

Sometimes you have lose BIGTIME battles before real change can come about.

[IMayBeWrongBut]

31. Ohh Come that's what everyone said in 2000 what changed?

We are doomed

[petepillow]

16. Look, lets face it: Dems were screwed from the get-go.

We never had a truly NATIONALLY appealing candidate. Excellent candidates? Sure.

Candidates with great potential? Absolutely.

Perfectly acceptable alternatives to the current admin? Every single one of them.

Good enough to overcome the Rove M.O.? Never. Not one. If a scream could kill Dean, then the others never had a chance. No, the only one actually running that had a true fighting chance against this sucessful Repug Campaign Corporation (let's face it, this thing is run like Microsoft and Walmart) was Kerry.

And there you have it.

No Clinton, no Kennedy, no FDR. Just another almost-good-enough alternative to facism. And whaddya know, facism won. Let's marvel in America's priorities, shall we?

[faithfulcitizen]

24. i agree, with the exception of one...

Wes Clark. He talked about "guns, God, & gays" in a way that reached out to Christians. He wasn't afraid to talk openly about his faith. He actually turned off many dem's when he did so in the debates. But the reality is, the red states are red mostly because of faith, and Bush/Rove exploited that to the fullest potential AND IT WORKED. you all can beat me up if you want, but I just know too many repug's who've said Clark is the only one they were considering...and they voted for bush. Why did he win OK? IT'S CONSERVATIVE! oh yeah, and who could forget dixville notch? :)

[The Zug]

20. Our 1964

2004 should be for us what 1964 was for the Repugs: a low point that made us reassess and get better organized.

It's hard to be anything but angry and miserable at this point. But at some point we have to decide if we're just going to throw up our hands or if we're going to view this as a long-term fight and start taking the appropriate steps.

[GoblinToe]

21. Let him fucking have it.

I'm dropping out of politics for the next four years.

This country gets EXACTLY what they voted for. I will NOT be a part of it.

Americans, gets ready to get your civil rights raped and murdered by the Patriot Act.

All other countries out there, beware. You will either be forced to ally with this nation of idiots in its search for "terror", or you will be crushed. I wish you the best.

Blah.

[cubsfan forever]

52. A democracy gets the government

it deserves. You are so right in your assessment about that. I feel the same way about politics right now. We all need some time to rage and withdraw. However, it is my wish for you (and me) that eventually we can retake our country.

Professor 2

[llmart]

22. The consolation is that we are not responsible.......

for the mess our country is in. I take great pride in that. And make no mistake about it, the mess will get worse. Mark my word. And I will loudly proclaim, "don't blame me, I didn't vote for him."

[makeanoise]

23. Let's remember people

where American comes from.
The KKK, the corporate state, Christian nation, etc...


It's no surprise here, though I was hoping for one...

"You'll never go broke underestimating the
intelligence of the American public," George S. Kaufman.

[diatribe]

26. Absolute power corrupts.

The GOP now has control of:

1. The White House
2. The Congress
3. SCOTUS - or will after appointments
4. The CIA - Porter Goss

Please tell me exactly how "checks and balances" will work?

[Felix Mala]

27. This is the sixth such morning in my lifetime...

I think we need to look at the people who run the Democratic campaigns... The Jim Bakers, the Roger Aileses, Lee Atwaters, Karl Roves -- they come and go -- Atwater's really gone, but every four years I see the same faces explaining what happened to the Democratic candidate. How do these people hold onto their jobs from cycle to cycle?

[Greenbeard]

28. Time to move.

but not away from the United States. Instead we move to the cities within the states that suppport our beliefs. Head to the Northeast or the Northwest. Come together. Raise our voices loud. Spread ideas. Be a guiding beacon of light to other like-minded progressives across the country. If we want change four years from now we have to come together in large numbers in centralized locations. It is hard to get support for a progressive message in many states today. Especially the southeast. By coming together in the more progressive areas of the nation it will be easier to begin movements and produce leaders. We must produce leaders. We need more Barak Obama's. The hour is growing late. The Revoultion has already begun and right now the far-right is winning.

Wake Up America!

[diatribe]

30. It's no better here in PA

I personally helped deliver my precinct to Kerry and PA went to him. People moving to PA isn't going to make the difference.

Take a look at the electoral map and you can clearly see that they pushed upward and outward at the same time to take control of the country starting in Texas.

[leftyandproud]

32. DU'ers should move en masse

Carve out a small enclave of liberalism, away from the rednecks that dominate this country now.

[Kaysera]

41. Hey ... what about forming a commune ?!!!

[MacCovern]

45. Liberal Enclaves exist.....

Los Angeles, San Fran. area, Portland OR, Massachusetts and most of New England are very liberal compared to much of the rest of the country by now. It is tempting to move to one of those areas.

[leftyandproud]

54. Where can I go on the east coast?

I'm stuck in the south...my state went for bush by almost 60%. I can't look at anyone today..

[yellowcanine]

33. Uh - 286 EV is not "destroyed" , Senate and House losses are tough

but both are still relatively close. Tom Delay still has his scandals hanging over his head and Texas gerrymander is going to be revisited - a reversal could bode well for 2006. Look, Bush won this on gay marriage and abortion in Ohio. They now have to deliver on that or they lose lots of seats in 2006. But they can't deliver on that. The fundies aren't going to settle for allowing civil unions as Bush wants to do. Look at the marriage amendment that passed in Ohio. It outlaws civil unions as well as same sex marriage. There is a fight coming within the Republican Party over this and the fundies are going to demand much more than Bush can deliver. It will all hit the fan in 2008 when Guiliani and/or McCain run for president. The fundies won't stand for either one and will bolt the party if either is nominated.

[diatribe]

34. It's not going to be McCain or Rudy in 2008...

it's gonna be Jeb Bush.

[leftyandproud]

35. oh god...

then "P.Bush"...his nephew...after 8 years of that, one of the bush twins in 2024..

[ecwdvm]

39. It's absolutely Jeb...

We need to realize that the aim for them has always been to start a new American dynasty with the sole purpose of bringing what they believe about the end of the world about, and making as much money as possible along the way. I saw Jeb say straight out that he did not want to run for president - HE WAS LYING! What makes us think any of them will tell the truth now?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

70. He's already publicly stated that he won't be running in 2008.

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[SunDrop23]

37. No, let's dont...let's implode...let's insult each other.

Frickin A.

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[Kaysera]

43. Now you're thinking with gas ... !

[Mr_Spock]

42. One issue we can give up that will help is anti-gun

It just doesn't make sense any more.

1) We need to be armed to possibly protect ourselves from these thugs

2) When I lived in the city (liberal area) I hated guns because all they were used for was killing in cities. Guess what one of the FIRST things I did when I moved to the country (conservative area) was? Yep, me and my flaming liberal city person dad went right out and bought a rifle. It was a blast being able to do some shooting in your own back yard!!

It is a prejudice that you quickly lose when you move to the country - there is plenty of space to have a gun hobby. Let's drop this issue once and for all. There is no reason to have maybe millions of people turned off by an issue that is simply based on prejudices both sides have toward the other.

[leftyandproud]

47. I think you have set a trend

I'm seriously thinking of getting one now.

It's times like this I am thankful for the NRA.

[robbedvoter]

44. No. We just don't have elections anymore. Didn'y in 2002, now and barely

in 2000. Stupid us for not accepting it sooner.

[dlynne]

48. You forgot Delay

In addition to your list, you forgot that Tom Delay was re-elected in Texas.

[flagrantoffender]

50. Daschle was also beaten

[agtcovert]

55. Yep, a tribute to gerrymandering...

if there ever was one.

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[leftyandproud]

56. how are these freepers getting in today?

I think we need to lock new registrations for a few days.

[UpsideDownFlag]

89. they're encouraged by POSTS LIKE YOURS nt

[July]

90. Ding, ding, ding. nt

[Oak2004]

58. In Vermont

The GOP governor won only because the Democratic candidate ran a terrible campaign. Additionally he screwed over quite a few of his long-term supporters (he's a former Progressive) without ever getting any real support from the Dems. He started the race with the polls showing a lot of "anybody but Douglas" support behind him, yet the more he opened his mouth or stabbed another supporter in the back, the more he dropped. Even I had to hold my nose to vote for him.

As far as the legislature is concerned:

MONTPELIER -- Democrats stunned Republicans on Tuesday, ousting at least nine House incumbents and claiming several other open seats -- all but assuring they would hold a majority of the 150 seats.

Democrats were also on track to maintain their decisive grip on the state Senate.

"It is really bad," said Rep. Richard Westman, R-Cambridge, as the disappointing returns came in, dooming his dream of becoming speaker of the House. "I'm really surprised."

<SNIP>

In a show of new strength outside Burlington, Progressives had winners in six House races, including two in the Northeast Kingdom and another in Bethel.

The party's longest serving House member, Rep. David Zuckerman of Burlington, said the victories "show that we are steadily growing across the state and we are here to stay."

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/bfpnews/news/6000h.htm

So, not everywhere went to the GOP.

(PS: the VT Progressives are left-of-center hard liberals and democratic socialists)

[leftyandproud]

59. At least Leahy won..

but a GOP governor in Vermont...the state of Bernie Sanders and Howard Dean..

the thought would have been laughable 6 months ago..

[Oak2004]

62. No, easy to understand

I've had a front row seat for some of the behind-the-scenes antics of Pete Clavelle's campaign. He shot himself in the foot. And head, and torso, and he probably shot a few bystanders while he was at it. By the time it was over, maybe his only wholehearted supporters were his relatives... maybe.

The reason that Vermont had an incumbent GOP governor in the first place is because Vermont Dems and Vermont Progressives split the vote in a previous gubernatorial race (counted together, they had a majority). The Progs have been wanting to negotiate an agreement not to compete in statewide races, but the Dems, who see the Progs as wayward should-be Democrats (unless you think Dem = socialist, Progs aren't Dems), were pretty much hellbent on crushing the Progressives even at the expense of the governorship.

The solution is finally passing proportional representation, and negotiating those cooperative agreements where appropriate. If Dems and Progs work together on these basics, there won't be any Republicans in the statehouse.

That, and picking better candidates.

[leftyandproud]

64. whatever the cause, we need to unite the left next election

democrats...greens...socialists...communists...screw the divisions. We need to unite and make it happen in 06'

[thebeaglehaslanded]

63. Until the Democratic Party gets new leadership at the top

and is willing to nominate a candidate who will kick the opponent's ass, lie, steal, and fight his way into office, we will continue to lose. Political life in American no longer has a place for the Gentleman Politician. And until the Democratic Party gets back to being the fighters of old, it will continue to lose.

[leftyandproud]

68. CLEAN HOUSE...top to bottom

That is what it will take. New faces...Terry Mccauliffe needs to go...We need to run young, fresh faces in the next races. Obama had a blowout and pulled tens of thousands of votes from REPUBLICANS...because he was the most optimistic, most persuasive, and most enthusiastic candidate.

Take a lesson from Illinois.

[doodlebugs4kerry]

65. We lost out SENATE LEADER...something that hasn't happened in more than 50

The Republicans gained 4 Senate seats.
The Senate now has 55 Republicans vs 44 democrats.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[DixieDem]

69. Huh???

"Let's face it. 9-11 pulled the country to the right. America is now a conservative (stupid) nation."

Complacent & ignorant - yes. Stupid - no.

More and more people are waking up everyday. Unfortunately, not enough people woke up soon enough to win this election. But, the momentum is on our side. Keep up the fight - expose Bush!

[leftyandproud]

73. Ignorance is not an excuse...People were informed about the issues

and they STILL chose the shrub and his party by a wide margin.
Stupidity is the only explanation.

I'm going to bed.

[NYC Liberal]

74. OK, let's put this (inevitable) RW talking to rest NOW

Bush got more votes than any other Prez candidate in history?

Then Kerry got more votes than any other challenger in history. GOT IT??

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[MsMagnificent]

75. You sound surprised. nt

[Seabiscuit]

76. He didn't "destroy" me. He just vindicated my worst suspicions.

[prayin4rain]

78. Me too.

[BamaLefty]

81. Until we return to the Populist party...

we will be the little brother of the GOP. I have said it.

I happen to socially moderate (and 'prolly lean to the left), but we slipped some in the most liberal states in the nation. We must strengthen a moderate wing if we want to win MN, IA, WI, OH, PA, and others in 2008.

[JFW]

82. yep

..

[CarinKaryn]

83. Fuck you. Not destroyed. Energized.

[Eric J in MN]

84. What are you energized to do now? nt

nt

[bhikkhu]

87. can't speak for anyone else, but

there is plenty. The repugs have the house, the senate, the presidency, and in three years the supreme court. What they also have is a massive economic problem, and depend completely on the fifty percent of the populace the dont represent in that respect. I have been working on the idea for some time...right now the best card we have left, the only voice that might call their attention back from their newly mandated agenda, is an economic strike. Buy nothing. Shut down the economy, and in one week there will be trouble. If your are familiar with the statistic, even a five percent drop in indicators is a severe change. Fifty percent of the population making only slight changes in there habits can affect this with ease.

[UdoKier]

85. America was conservative in 1976.

It is extreme right-wing protofascist now.

[Slit Skirt]

91. and this wasn't PLANNED?

Rove is a genius at this shit...deception.lies,fraud...and the ultimate coup...total domination and a fake mandate for their sick view of what AMerica should be....

[dbonds]

92. Not Destroyed, but sucker punched

No other president had 56 million voters vote against him (using the reported numbers). They may have office, but they don't have the people. If there hadn't been some funny business you would be reading about the humilating defeat of our pResident and the republicans even with some house gains (assuming no funny business there too).

[moondust]

93. Wrong. They just don't want gay marriage.

As Lawrence O'Donnell said on the McLaughlin Group yesterday: If gay marriage amendments had not been on the ballot in those states John Kerry would be the newly-elected President.