Still 1.6 million votes to be counted in florida - it isn't over yet!!

[byronm]

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Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 08:45:31 EDT

I URGE THE DOWNTRODEN HERE TO SEE OHIO THROUGH, BUT DON'T TAKE YOUR EYES OFF FLORIDA!!!!
First This
Daily Kos :: Florida numbers vs 2000 - something is wrong



Kerry-Edwards Online Forum

Then this


What I don't get is all the focus on Ohio. According to the numbers, Bush is up by 140,000, and with between 150,000 and 250,000 provisional ballots.
I understand that Kerry is down by about 300,000 votes in Florida, but with almost 1.6 MILLION provisional and absentee ballots uncounted. With a HUGE effort to get ex patriots to vote, I don't agree with the assertion that the absentees will favor Bush

I URGE THE CAMPAIGN TO SEE OHIO THROUGH, BUT DON'T TAKE YOUR EYES OFF FLORIDA!!!!

Thoughts?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/84531/7527

[klook]

1. YES! Demand that FL provisional and absentee votes be counted!

Surely the Kerry-Edwards team is on this. Anybody know?

[luaptifer]

5. We've got folks posting it on the Kerry Forum

the original author, in fact.

http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=111079&st=0&p=712318&#entry712318

[Nicholas_J]

17. Well, there is that.

Another proble, that was reported and likely untraceable was that on the touch screen machines, in Florida at least, a number of people wo voted for Kerry found that after tyhey had checkedthere vote several times to make certain that they did everything right and actually voted for Kerry, when they finalized the vote, the screen came back verifying that they voted for Bush. People called into C-Span pointing this out, but the media did not touch or report this. They were told that once the vote was finalized, there was no way of going back and changing it.

[Almost_there]

24. The screen tells you who you voted for?

I've never heard that, I've only seen screen captures that put a check next to the person you are set to choose, then, you confirm that vote, then it just says "Thank you" and you go to the next screen. Would it be sort of weird to be like "you just voted for X.. too damn bad!" A little too insane, someone could easily record that on a pic phone or something and THAT would start something huge...

~Almost

[joeunderdog]

18. Just because the press says that * camp want absentee votes

doesn't mean they do. Most of those Absentees wanted their vote counted, unlike last time. Historically, absentees vote Repub. Historically, however, Dems haven't been afraid their voted didn't count. F*ck history. Count em!

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. I hope the Kerry camp

comes out ready to kick butt.

Ohio isn't the only problem no matter what the media wants us to think.

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. Why is this even a question?

Why did the DAMN media call Florida when we had over a million uncounted ballots when Ohio only has 130,000?

C'mon now. Let's have a fair election!

[byronm]

4. Kerry would only need 57-58% of absentee

which is a good ratio for how split it currently is - especially considering the huge effort for early/absentee voting as well as fear of e-voting and the need for a "paper trail"

[luaptifer]

6. Thanks for starting a new thread with this :-)

[luaptifer]

7. if you all know of other forums to repost it,

please do, supposedly the bu$h admin wants to make that speech before noon.

[byronm]

8. Any other states

That have outstanding absentee or post nov 2nd absentee deadlines?

[RafterMan]

9. Where do you get the 1.6 million number from ?

The ballots already counted in Florida are already up 1.5 million from 2000.

A link would be useful here.

[jedicord]

10. Thanks for this post...

I need sunshine and hope today!

Maybe I'm in denial, but I just can't believe Bush won Florida, or anywhere else for that matter with all the voter turnout. Something's up, and we need to have all of the votes counted.

[luaptifer]

12. Check the front page of Daily Kos for a few things going on

and look at the diaries list, particularly the 'recommended diaries'
http://www.dailykos.com/

see if i can get more specifics here soon...

[redqueen]

11. Exactly what I've been thinking

[byronm]

13. Look at the provisionals as well

Makes you sick to see the democratic counties have thousands compared to the repub counties:

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

[luaptifer]

14. LIARS! All exit polls matched results except OH and FL

LIARS! All exit polls matched results except OH and FL
by LondonYank


Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 05:34:38 EDT

It saddens me greatly to report that the voters in Florida and Ohio are staggeringly dishonest. They appear to have uniquely lied to the exit pollsters yesterday, unlike the honest citizens of every other state. This seems the only rational explanation for the very big discrepancy between (the original) exit poll results and the outcomes of their (reported) votes.
It is sad when the citizens of such fine states cannot be relied on to accurately report their votes. It is a good thing that Diebold is there to report their votes for them.

See below the fold for substantiation of the mismatch between exit polls and reported results courtesy of Requiem99 at DU.

Diaries :: LondonYank's diary ::


The assertion by pundits/Bushies that exit polling was 'way off', and thus, exit polls, which showed an easy Kerry victory in both Ohio and Florida, were incorrectly skewed and did not represent the electorate, is completely bogus.
This is disproved in minutes by simply noting the entire rest of the suite of exit polls conducted by AP and distributed to the news media. View here:

AP exit polls

Notice, if you will, that states with a narrow or wide Bush margin of victory NOT called Ohio or Florida, project perfectly. Missouri leans to Bush in exit polls, and leaned to him in the vote. Tennessee likewise was favorable to Bush in exit polls, and it showed in the final results with a clear Bush margin of victory. Pick a state, any state, there is not one single exit poll off by more than a few percentage points in any semi-competitive race. Not one.

Except 2. Ohio and Florida, the latter of which has already been "awarded" to Bush, and the former, which appears to nearly be a lock for him as he is up 3 percentage points with 80 percent of the electorate tallied. George Bush's win in each of these 2 states is nowhere near what exit polls suggest. In Ohio, Kerry had a small but noticeable lead with both male and female voters, a rare thing for him as males have tended to favor Bush in this election by a small margin. Likewise, independent voters clearly broke for Kerry, by a 21 percent margin, 60-39. This is not anywhere near the result we are seeing now, and along with Florida, whom I will get to in a moment, it is a clear and blatant sign of voter fraud. I don't use that most dangerous of "F" words lightly, but I must call a wolf a wolf and a sheep a sheep, and this whole setup stinks like Karl Rove after he's ran 15 feet.

. . . While Mr. Kerry had 6 percent less support from his party than Mr. Bush did, he scored among woman yet again (54 percent of Florida's electorate) by a 52-48 margin, small but important, while losing men (46 percent of the electorate) 47-52, essentially the same margin. Independents, however, broke heavily for John Kerry, favoring him a staggering 60-38 over Mr. Bush. At the very least, this would suggest a very close race, and certainly not the lopsided blowout it turned out to be.

As Joe Pesci once said, "Something is fishy in Florida."

Ohio too, Joe. Ohio too.

Another analysis of the data from SoCalDemocrat also indicates that there is a significant imbalance between the exit polls and the results.


Here is exit polling for Florida (3,824,794 votes for Kerry & Bush)
Male: 52/47 Kerry 46%

Female: 52/48 Kerry 54%

Dem: 86/13 Kerry 38%

Rep: 92/7 Bush 39%

Ind: 60/38 Kerry 23%

3,824,794 votes for Kerry & Bush

2065388 Women (54% of total)

1759405 Men (46% of total)

Bush leads male vote by 5% of M = 87970

Kerry leads female vote by 4% of M = 82615

That means Bush is ahead by just 5355 votes in exit polling in FL.

Another odd thing is that there are more Reps then Dems in Florida by 1%, which is not expected. Either there are more voting Republicans in FL than Democrats, a first and not matching known statistics, or more Republicans were exit polled than Democrats. If the exit poll is off by just 1% that's a difference of 382479 more voters who are Democracts.

The results being posted however show Bush ahead 326,000 actual votes. This is simply not possible from the exit polling numbers. Even skewed for a 5% higher Republican vs. Democrat turnout from 2000, it doesn't add up.

When you add this to the stories about the changed exit polls in the middle of the night after polls had long closed, there appears to be some dishonesty somewhere. It's a good thing that EarlG at DU was farsighted enough to do a screencapture of the earlier posted exit polls for comparison.

Now the interesting comparison for statistical wonks out there will be the exit polls in counties with old fashioned voting in OH and FL against counties with blackbox voting. If our fellow citizens who lied to the exit pollsters are highly concentrated not just in Ohio and Florida but in counties with Diebold machines, then we will know something truly worth knowing. It will also be interesting to compare the recorded numbers of voters in these districts as reported by the election observers with the recorded votes.

I'd hate to think ill of so many fellow citizens . . .

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/53438/6175

[Nicholas_J]

22. You are correct.

Many beleived that the vote would be stolen, and all that has really happened since 2000 was that Republicans have been able to control the legislation that was supposed to make votring easier, in such a way that votes could be cast, and disapprea into the void, with no trail to compare actual vote with vote cast. In South Florida for example, on touch screen machinesx there were a few reports that votes cast for Kerry brought up final screens telling the voter thqat they voted for Bush. Perhaps the Diebold tin foild hatters didnt need the hats at all.

The fact that exit polls so vastly differed form the final results should be of great concern, because exit polls have never been this innaccurate in the past.+

[byronm]

15. Several counties (including major Democratic counties) havn't finalyzed

they're still counting:

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

[progressivebydesign]

16. ALL VOTES MUST BE COUNTED!!

Because the country is more polarized this year, it's essential to have ALL votes counted.

[venus]

19. Historically, absentee ballots go heavily Repug. Provisional

ballots are probably on our side though.

[byronm]

20. either way

they should be counted until completion.

[debatepro]

21. yes kick

Fight for every vote

[VivaKerry]

23. Ohio is cover for Florida. Seems to me. n/t

*

[ciaobox]

25. PLEASE SEND SOME FUCKING LAWYERS DOWN THERE!

If there really are 1.6 million absentee ballots, they need to be counted. That is huge. PLEASE KERRY-- do something for US.

[RunningFromCongress]

26. it's over kerry has dropped out

[ciaobox]

29. It doesn't matter

If the votes get counted with or without Kerry, he still wins.

[batchdem04]

27. Out of 1.39 million NEW FL VOTERS, Kerry lost by 337k??

[batchdem04]

28. Anyone remember the CBS exit poll...

where it said that first time voters in FL went to Kerry by like 60-40???????