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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:41 AM
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This is the end of Pax Americana
Now that Bush is in power for another 4 years he will run America into the ground.

Deeper into debt, more isolated from the rest of the world as he pursues his mission from God.

America will be irelavent in 10 years, another Russia. China and the EU will be the worlds largest economies.

So from Europe, thankyou Democrats for losing to Bush !
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Dzimbowicz Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:43 AM
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1. It is actually the beginning of the end
of the country I once knew.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:43 AM
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2. Can't disagree with you on that account.
When the Islamists governements that will take over in the Middle East, as American gets bogged further and further in the Iraqi quagmire, turn off the oil we are cooked.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:44 AM
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3. Ha! Wait until we start all emigrating over there. Gonna be stacked up
like Singapore!

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exsoccermom Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:12 AM
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6. Oh, Canada: Why don't we blue states join Canada?
Maine through Maryland and DC, Michigan, Illinois and the Northern Midwest (MN, WI, IA) and the West Coast can join Canada. Heck, we'll even pull off Northern Virginia, Cleveland, and other adjacent area. This would also help out Canada if Quebec wanted out again as there would be a land bridge between Eastern Canada and Ontario/points west. I'm willing to learn French. They have good food, great beer, beautiful scenery, and are just great people.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:25 AM
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16. we'd love that,
we'd finally have a cooler city than toronto, those pompous asses thing they are the centre of the universe. (NYC)


I love the NE of the US.

ohh ohh HAWAII TOO?
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:51 AM
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4. Things just have to get worse before they get better
How many more years do I have to keep telling myself this? :shrug:

The American Empire can be taken down without a single shot being fired because of the interdependencies of the global economy. The resulting shift in the balance of power will initially cause great pain to everyone, but in the end Europe and Asia will come out stronger and the USA will be put in its proper place.


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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:02 AM
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5. I've Been Thinking This
for awhile now. Don't know about China, but America descending into its own little theocracy could be a huge bonus for Europe. They can pick up the ball that we are in the process of dropping. Are you guys ready for it?
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:23 AM
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9. I'm afraid, not really
We are getting buried in our own problems. Solving the huge discrepancies within Europe. Integration of the East, and integration of migrants with a very different value systems. Dealing with the burden of an ageing population. And dealing, of course, with the whims of the American Empire, and the deeds of it's enemies. And don't forget our own neo-con-alikes, like Blair and Berlusconi.

But sure, the U.S. is already giving away parts of its future. In the past, the U.S. has sucked in the best and the brightest, because they went where money, tolerance and other ideas were. Now, with globalization, these people will look for other place to research, invent and invest. If that will be Europe, Asia, or both, is not clear yet. But Asia is much more hungry for success.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:53 AM
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11. At Least Take
stem cell research - all of science, for that matter. You gave up science to us once, now we're giving it back.

Or Asia. Somebody please take it, it's too important to go down with these superstitious nuts.

I'm thinking today that we're doing European history in reverse here in America. In Europe the Enlightenment was the culmination. Here we started with that and now we seem to be running backwards.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:25 AM
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15. Stem Cell Research
Funny thing is, I work for a biotech supplier, and one of our applications can be used in stem cell research. We had some discussion about the issue just yesterday.

Europe is divided about the issue, with strict regulations in Germany, but fairly relaxed ones in the U.K. According to our sales people, Asia, especially singapore, will become the hotbed of stemm cell research. According to him, "To the Asians, there's no moral problem with embryonic stem cells. To them, a heap of cells in that early stage is just a heap of cells and not a human being."

About the U.S., we have different opinions. Some colleagues think the pharmaceutical industry will not let moral issues dictate their profit making, others, like me, think that puritanism has become over important and will definitely hinder research.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:16 AM
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7. Blaming Democrats?
Shit, we can only vote once.

Improve your aim. We're on your side, remember?

:wtf:
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:21 AM
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8. No blame here.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 10:22 AM by Stella_Artois
Who's blaming ?

I'm thanking.

You have given them enough rope to hand themselves.

Bush has only to alienate the world a little bit more, get on the wrong side of one too many OPEC member, and *poof* oil is traded in our Euro, and the dollar takes a dive.

Then, when your nationalistic right wingers have eaten some humble pie, can we once again work as equals.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:01 AM
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13. When oil is traded in Euros...
The only ones surprised will be the Bushies.

Somehow, I don't think the "Security Moms" will be on their side by then!:eyes:

B-)
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:40 AM
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10. Yes. The ball in in the rest of the world's court now.
The EU, China and others can't wimp out. For starters, I'd like to see the OPEC turn to Euros. Then China, who exports a silly amount of EVERYTHING.

Me, the last American product I ever bought was an HP digital camera two weeks ago.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:59 AM
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12. This is not the place to get nasty
Dem Underground is a haven for Dem activists. If anyone worked their hearts out it's the people here. So, I don't appreciate your tone.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:52 PM
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14. Yup
that's about what I thought.
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