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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 01:31 AM
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Labor Out To Prove Latham Wrong.
"The Federal Oppositon's finance spokesman, Lindsay Tanner, says the
Labor Party will have to prove Mark Latham wrong by showing that it
does stand for something."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1405736.htm


Oh, goodie! I wonder what it will be?
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gemini_liberal Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 10:42 AM
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1. Not that I am a big friend of Labor
but this is the correct attitude to take. Being acrimonious and bitchy can only be counter-productive. The best attitude is to take the "I'll prove you wrong" attitude.

Having said that though, they need a little more than talk.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 08:51 PM
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2. Exactly!
And shut up until you can tell the world just what it is you DO
stand for.

What a wet announcement it was.
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ballaratocker Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 06:47 AM
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3. Right message.
Right message. Wrong person. The Labor party does stand for nothing at the minute and will do so until they can find a leader with some balls. Coming from Latham, it sounds like sour grapes.
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itchyvet Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 11:32 AM
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4. Right message."
On the contrary, Latham had it dead set to rights.

Only his problem was he was too green and genuine in his beliefs, whereas 95% opf the rest of the party had comprimised themselves long before he ever turned up, thus his efforts to revolutionise things were already DEAD in the water before they even began.

It's about time the good citizens of Australia woke up to the fact that ever since the COUPE given to us courtesy of the CIA, wherein Whitlam was sacked,the only party that had the gumption of taking on the NWO was Pauline Hanson, who also was very green and naive, thinking she'd gain the suport of the Australian people, yet all she got for her trouble was a gaol sentence.
However, she did set the cat amongst the pigeons, and for the first time since WW 2 the parties in our Parliament worked togethet, not for the benfit of our country, but for their OWN BENEFIT to maintain tha status quo, so's they could retire with their Golden handshake at the taxpayer's expense.

There's not ONE Poly in Parliament today, who would stand up and make a stand against their masters in Washington, all they wish to do, is keep the seat warm until they retire, after that, they couldn't give a stuff.

Think I'm kiddin ???? Ask yourself this question :

How could polititions coming into Parliament on MP salary, retire millionares ?????????????????????? Think about it, you can access the salaries of all MP's at the relevant govt websites, it doesn't compute.
So, where did the money come from ?????? Could it be favours owed ?
Or pay offs for being good guys and following orders ???????????
What's the bet, our esteemed leader who was an accountant in civvy life, retires a millionare ????? Any takers ???
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Saynt Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:13 AM
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5. Don't get me wrong, I don't want trouble...
... but did you just compliment Pauline Hanson for starting the One Nation party?!

Our esteemed leader has been on a fat MPs salary since when... the late 60s? A federal MP makes a base rate of over $100k these days... and Johnnie's been PM for 9 years now, which means that he's has a salary of $200k-$300k p.a. for almost a decade... PLUS the massive pension that senior government officials retire on, I don't think it's much of a stretch of the imagination to think that a man who lives in a government house, uses government transport and eats government food will retire a happy millionaire with 10 years of near-untouched and more-than-likely wisely invested PM money.
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Saynt Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 06:41 AM
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6. Ahh CNNNN just came to mind...
(paraphrased, directed at Americans) 'In Australia, we have two major parties, much like you. Our Liberal party is like your Republican party and our Labor Party is like your... Republican party'

The annoying part of our political parties are the odd variations. The Liberal Party is made up from centre-right to centrist, but the Labor Party is made of everyone from left to right and everyone in-between. I will probably always be preferencing Labor because they at least represent workers more than the Liberals, but only because the Socialists, Greens, and Democrats can't get their act together.
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zum Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:31 PM
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8. CNNNN was paraphrasing
a quote from a Brit lord who was sent to the US to analyse their political system. I think his statement was that "They have one vast political party, but being Americans, they have two of it..."
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zum Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:27 PM
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7. MP super deals have been changed
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 11:28 PM by zum
this year. Whereas the pricks bicker over whether private sector employers should contribute 15% (which is what Keating's government's was working up to) or 9% (which is what Howard's government stopped the incremental increases at), they rake off 60% employer contributions (we're their employers, although we could be forgiven for thinking that they treat us in the way that the most radical of the unions they'd like to nobble would like to treat employers). The concession, if you could call it that, that they made to bringing MPs' super into line with public expectation, is that any MP who enters the parliament from this year can only call on his or her super from age 55 onwards. Until this year they could access it upon their retirement from the parliament. A couple of notables who benefited hugely from parliamentary super are: former attorney general Michael Lavarch, who lost his seat at age 36, leaving the parliament with a ministerial super ( retirees supers are indexed against their previous salary, obviously ministerial allowances kick the figures up, which is why Keating's govt. elevated Graeme Richardson to Health Minister just before his retirement) and Bill O'Chee, former National Party Senator who was gifted a casual vacancy upon the death of a former senator, no by-election being necessary for senators. He lost his seat at age 34, with a lovely life-long pension courtesy of us.
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Saynt Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:21 AM
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9. Makes me want to run...
It can't be that hard to win a party safe-seat, then hold it for 8 years while keeping one's head down, can it?
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zum Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 05:00 AM
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10. Malcolm Jones
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 05:01 AM by zum
got an upper house seat in NSW by registering a few bogus conservationist/outdoorsy-style parties and cross-preferencing them. He'd still be there if he hadn't been such a greedy f**k that he was claiming that his residence was three corrugated iron walls and a roof on his mates' farm and scamming a rental allowance for digs in Sydney. And the super deal applies to two terms served in the lower house, could be as little as five years, or one-and-a-half terms in the upper. Plus pollies pay is indexed to senior public servants which means they get 4.5% or more p.a. increases lavished on them by the remuneration commission, which needless to say HASN'T been dismantled in Captain Eyebrow's relentless push for capitalist power over life, death and standard of living. What gets to me is their smug attitude as they preach platitudes about competitiveness in every feature of commerce but their own.
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