Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why HASN'T Ignatieff resigned as Liberal leader yet?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Places » Canada Donate to DU
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:11 AM
Original message
Why HASN'T Ignatieff resigned as Liberal leader yet?
He's led the Opposition for a long time now, and in all that time has only on one or two exceedingly brief occasions had them even close to a lead.

Why does he even WANT to stay on as leader at this point?

Isn't it virtually unheard of in Canadian politics for the Official Opposition NOT to have a huge lead over the government at this stage of a government's existence?

Shouldn't the Liberals do the sensible thing and choose a francophone as leader, given that that's their only chance of beating the Bloc in Quebec(something they have to do to win)?



Refresh | +1 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:56 AM
Response to Original message
1. I wish he would step down.
This is the perfect time for a strong personality in the Liberal party ...... matter of fact, we're desperate for one, and he's just not it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Not only has Ignatieff FAILED to get his party into the lead in the polls
he has also stubbornly refused to do the only thing that would have made sense if he was going to insist on fighting an election from his current poll standings, which would be to work out a coalition arrangement with the NDP in exchange for introducing and passing, as early as possible, legislation to elect the Canadian parliament via proportional representation, rather than the antidemocratic first-past-the-post system.

Canada with elections under pr would NEVER have a prime minister like Stephen Harper again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. Because it would be ridiculous
Because it would look like panic. Because he hasn't lost an election. Because members and donors would consider the party flighty and inconsistent. Because the Harperites would laugh and say the Liberals are to gormless to stand behind a leader and are hopelessly internally divided.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Doesn't everything he and the Liberals have done look like panic ANYWAY?
Nobody sees him and his party as pillars of courage these days, especially since they've voted for(and will never repeal)every horrible piece of right-wing legislation the Tories wanted. All the bills that passed with Liberal support will stay on the books forever.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. He's 5 points down from Harper
So Harper is beatable. His summer tour seems to be going ok, which means he will probably be an effective campaigner.

I would have liked Kennedy, but I think Ignattieff has a good shot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
6. You should ask Iggy
That question.

Perhaps you are not aware that the leader gets two shots at elections. And winning means improving the previous numbers.

All that is required in the next election is to reduce Harper's numbers.

Harper has to beat the Bloc to win. Do you expect the Conservatives to elect a leader from Quebec. Your suggestion is irrelevant.

What is your definition of a long time?

The sensible thing is get Harper out. Start by reducing his power. Continue by frustrating his caucus. They have been living under an authoritarian dictator for near five years. They are the ones that are most likely to revolt.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 08:33 PM
Response to Original message
7. I believe Mr Chretien would call you a
'nervous Nellie.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Would he call me that as he was strangling me?


And no, I'm not nervous...just puzzled.

A decent opposition leader would have her or his party ten to twenty points ahead by now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Depends on if you'd bugged him for years I guess.
And as far as I know there were calls for Harper's resignation because he was such a bad Opposition leader just 6 months before he became PM.

Being a new leader doesn't guarantee you a rise in the polls. And in Canada there is an enormous split in the vote caused by the Bloc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 29th 2024, 07:42 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Places » Canada Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC