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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:04 AM
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Bush coming to Canada in January! Anyone in for a protest?
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 11:18 AM by Spazito
CTV is reporting that bush is coming to Canada in January. I intend to be in Ottawa or wherever he is going be with my protest signs held high!

(No link yet, will keep watching for it)

Edited to add link to Ottawa Citizen, it is just a short blurb because you have to subscribe but it is a start, lol)

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=5c2d56ed-8c25-4d92-9077-8059a725c688
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:06 AM
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1. I'd be happy to protest his return to the US
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Feathered Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:07 AM
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2. If I Could
I would go to Ottawa - hopefully he comes to Toronto as well - but I think that he is too hated - and wouldn't chance it. Dumb twit. Blah. God if only Chretien was still around (you don't hear that often!) then that trash wouldn't be coming. GRRRRR
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:09 AM
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3. Whatever for?
We HATE the guy.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:14 AM
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4. My bet is to put pressure re MDS sites
and to threaten the old "with us or agin us" crap.
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Diana52 Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:51 AM
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6. Drugs
He's coming to get his prescriptions filled.
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metis Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:36 AM
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5. Write you MP
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Wols Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:06 PM
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7. Well I hope you make him feel unwelcome
If not he might just decide to stick around.
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:13 PM
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8. I doubt it will happen
he will have to indefinitely postpone when Iraq further goes to hell

a huge welcome protest clogging the arteries into Parliament hill would be an appropriate greeting

and we could all wear black hoodies
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:08 AM
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16. He should have been here right after his innaguration
Traditionally each presidents' first foreign visit is to Canada. Just you wait, he'll cancel again.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:16 PM
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9. Oh yeah. If he dares to bring his diseased inhumanity to Toronto
soil you bet I'll be there to protest.
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LiberteToujours Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 03:48 PM
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10. PROTEST!!
I was in Ottawa in May 2003 when he was supposed to come, but he snubbed us because of the Iraq war (not like I minded). I don't know if I'll be there in January, but I have lots of friends in Ottawa and I'll make sure they make an appearance for me!
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Mother Jones Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:08 AM
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11. I'm in!!!
Hoping Toronto will stage it's own demonstration......otherwise, I will consider a trip to Ottawa for it.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:07 AM
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12. What's the betting he comes to Calgary?
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Feathered Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:31 AM
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13. That would be
smart on his part but we all know his intellegence level. Calgary would be too obvious because of all the oil and gas companies. If only we could throw him in the oil sands!}(
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:32 AM
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14. I imagine his handlers would want to bring him to 'safe' territory.
Southern Alberta is the most Republican-friendly territory in Canada, but even in Calgary, a majority of people dislike him.
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Feathered Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:39 AM
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15. True
It's been a few years since I've lived there, but still it seems that the reception would be warm. I suppose that many people from all over the west would come and protest, especially some BC hippies.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:10 PM
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17. Yep, Calgary would work better for me seeing as I am in BC but...
even if he were to go to Newfoundland I will go there with my NO MDS/NO BUSH protest sign!
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:37 PM
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18. billets?
There will be organized bus tours to Ottawa for the occasion, if it does arise. Toronto groups usually leave for Ottawa early in the a.m. and go home in the evening, so overnight accommodations aren't necessary. Montreal would be the same.

I'm sure that anyone here who wanted or needed to stay in Ottawa, if s/he were travelling independently or from a greater distance, could snag a billet through someone here if s/he didn't know anyone in the National Capital Region personally.

"A billet?" you say? I hope my fellow activist-type Canadians still know what I'm talking about! I once went to DC for a conference of a progressive US organization, and had registered for accommodations in the home of a member, to be arranged on arrival. At the registration desk, I said "I understand there are billets." "Eh?" (or the local equivalent thereof), said the person at the desk. "Billets. I registered for a billet." "A what?" "A place to stay in somebody's house." "Oh, a place to stay in somebody's house!"

I think it may have to do with that Third Amendment thingy. ;)


Me, I once emailed GWB, when he was governor of Texas, to say that if he permitted the execution of Stan Faulder in the face of the international outcry about the denial of his Geneva convention rights and the blatant denial of a fair trial, and if he ever became a head of state and travelled to my country in that capacity, I and others would be there to remind him of his contempt for the rights of Canadians. So I'm sure I'm on a list. But if it comes off and you happen to notice somebody holding a sign saying something like "Remember Stanley Faulder", say hello!

Stan Faulder, a few tens of thousands of Iraqis, and everyone in between.

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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 02:48 PM
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19. I'd love to but it's just too far for me.
Plus I have kids in school. I'll be writing letters though!
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:33 AM
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20. I live near Ottawa -- and there WILL BEa crowd to greet the king
of Merika. Will there be flours ... (i.e. bags of???)
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:49 AM
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21. Ha!
Visiting Ottawa in January will be punishment enough! Maybe Martin could take him for a very long stroll along the Rideau Canal!

:evilgrin:
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:15 AM
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22. How about shipping him off to the Hague for us, since you all are an
honourable enough country to be signatories to the ICC.

Of course, that may be why * doesn't travel much.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:54 PM
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23. we don't have to
We can prosecute him right here:

http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/c-45.9/

Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act

6. (1) Every person who, either before or after the coming into force of this section, commits outside Canada

(a) genocide,
(b) a crime against humanity, or
(c) a war crime,

is guilty of an indictable offence and may be prosecuted for that offence in accordance with section 8.

Conspiracy, attempt, etc.

(1.1) Every person who conspires or attempts to commit, is an accessory after the fact in relation to, or counsels in relation to, an offence referred to in subsection (1) is guilty of an indictable offence.

Punishment

(2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (1.1)

(a) shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life, if an intentional killing forms the basis of the offence; and
(b) is liable to imprisonment for life, in any other case.

Definitions

(3) The definitions in this subsection apply in this section.

"crime against humanity" « crime contre l'humanité »

"crime against humanity" means murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, imprisonment, torture, sexual violence, persecution or any other inhumane act or omission that is committed against any civilian population or any identifiable group and that, at the time and in the place of its commission, constitutes a crime against humanity according to customary international law or conventional international law or by virtue of its being criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the community of nations, whether or not it constitutes a contravention of the law in force at the time and in the place of its commission.

"genocide" « génocide »

"genocide" means an act or omission committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, an identifiable group of persons, as such, that at the time and in the place of its commission, constitutes genocide according to customary international law or conventional international law or by virtue of its being criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the community of nations, whether or not it constitutes a contravention of the law in force at the time and in the place of its commission.

"war crime" « crime de guerre »

"war crime" means an act or omission committed during an armed conflict that, at the time and in the place of its commission, constitutes a war crime according to customary international law or conventional international law applicable to armed conflicts, whether or not it constitutes a contravention of the law in force at the time and in the place of its commission.

Interpretation -- customary international law

(4) For greater certainty, crimes described in articles 6 and 7 and paragraph 2 of article 8 of the Rome Statute are, as of July 17, 1998, crimes according to customary international law, and may be crimes according to customary international law before that date. This does not limit or prejudice in any way the application of existing or developing rules of international law.

Interpretation -- crimes against humanity

(5) For greater certainty, the offence of crime against humanity was part of customary international law or was criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the community of nations before the coming into force of either of the following:

(a) the Agreement for the prosecution and punishment of the major war criminals of the European Axis, signed at London on August 8, 1945; and

(b) the Proclamation by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers, dated January 19, 1946.


7. (1) A military commander commits an indictable offence if

(a) the military commander, outside Canada,

(i) fails to exercise control properly over a person under their effective command and control or effective authority and control, and as a result the person commits an offence under section 4, or
(ii) fails, before or after the coming into force of this section, to exercise control properly over a person under their effective command and control or effective authority and control, and as a result the person commits an offence under section 6;
(b) the military commander knows, or is criminally negligent in failing to know, that the person is about to commit or is committing such an offence; and

(c) the military commander subsequently

(i) fails to take, as soon as practicable, all necessary and reasonable measures within their power to prevent or repress the commission of the offence, or the further commission of offences under section 4 or 6, or
(ii) fails to take, as soon as practicable, all necessary and reasonable measures within their power to submit the matter to the competent authorities for investigation and prosecution.
Breach of responsibility by a superior

(2) A superior commits an indictable offence if

(a) the superior, outside Canada,

(i) fails to exercise control properly over a person under their effective authority and control, and as a result the person commits an offence under section 4, or
(ii) fails, before or after the coming into force of this section, to exercise control properly over a person under their effective authority and control, and as a result the person commits an offence under section 6;
(b) the superior knows that the person is about to commit or is committing such an offence, or consciously disregards information that clearly indicates that such an offence is about to be committed or is being committed by the person;

(c) the offence relates to activities for which the superior has effective authority and control; and

(d) the superior subsequently

(i) fails to take, as soon as practicable, all necessary and reasonable measures within their power to prevent or repress the commission of the offence, or the further commission of offences under section 4 or 6, or

(ii) fails to take, as soon as practicable, all necessary and reasonable measures within their power to submit the matter to the competent authorities for investigation and prosecution.
Conspiracy, attempt, etc.

(2.1) Every person who conspires or attempts to commit, is an accessory after the fact in relation to, or counsels in relation to, an offence referred to in subsection (1) or (2) is guilty of an indictable offence.

Jurisdiction

(3) A person who is alleged to have committed an offence under subsection (1), (2) or (2.1) may be prosecuted for that offence in accordance with section 8.

Punishment

(4) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1), (2) or (2.1) is liable to imprisonment for life.

...

He can be arrested, charged, tried, sentenced and punished right here.

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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:21 PM
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24. Oh, what a lovely thought. If we weren't such an insane war-mongering
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 05:24 PM by kayell
country right now, it might even be feasible.

And by the way, I'm very, VERY sorry that we still have the imbecile for pResident. You have my utmost apologies for our failure to remove * from the world stage. :cry:

Edit: you may want to tack on 6.1.a also. It seems to be shaping up that way. :cry: (I'm doing that a lot these days)
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HamiltonHabs32 Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:29 PM
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25. Re.
I hope there is a LARGE protest wherever he goes, of course we need Martin to sort out alot of stuff, like lumber and cow trade. But I would love to protest agains his policies, Bush is the largest douche in the world!
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:33 AM
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26. I'd ask you to keep him but Canada is our friend and I wouldn't
do anything that ugly to a friend.
Besides, Canada is where I want to go to get AWAY from *.

Then again, Canada COULD start adoption proceedings. ;)


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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:57 AM
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27. Keeping Bush
Maybe we could just quietly hand him over to Syria?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:04 AM
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28. good one (n/t)

(Oh c'mon, you didn't really think *I* could post a message with no text, did you?)

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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:51 PM
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29. justinsb, I like the way you think!
I'll keep it quiet on my end. GO CANADA! lol. :)
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:00 AM
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31. shhhh. I won't tell
Maybe we'll find out where the anthrax came from.
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:53 AM
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30. God I hope you guys don't have any WMDs but I know you got oil
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 12:54 AM by othermeans
so be careful.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:30 AM
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32. Jesus is coming!!!!! Alert the foundries ...
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 12:30 AM by Iceburg
Pilgrims to Ottawa, do NOT forget to bring flours (bags full) ...any brand (but especially P&G) is quite becoming on a primate.

http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?x=35326

http://www.acp-cpa.ca/en/NOTOBUSH.htm


Say it with flours!!!!
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elena Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:21 PM
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33. INFO FOR BUSH PROTEST: TO, VICTORIA, OTTAWA, HALIFAX
The Bush Protest itinerary can be found at the following url; http://nowar.ca/

--The No to Bush Committee is organizing housing, food and legal resources, and a central information and welcome centre in Ottawa.. Anyone demonstrating against Bush can make use of these resources. http://www.acp-cpa.ca/en/NOTOBUSH.htm

Victoria, BC
Terror Alert! George Bush coming to Canada!
Protest George Bush's Visit to Ottawa
5pm Tuesday, November 30th
Centennial Square (by City Hall at Pandora/Douglas)
called by STUDENTS AGAINST WAR in the name of peace, freedom, democracy, justice....
Join with protests in Ottawa and across the country that day to say No To Bush.
___________________________

--Buses to Ottawa.....

Hamilton Buses

Canadians Go Into Action to Oppose Bush Visit!!
GET ON THE BUS FROM HAMILTON TO OTTAWA
*BOARDING for Departure: Tuesday, Nov 30/04 at 5:00 am at Wentworth
House, McMaster University, Hamilton
*BOARDING for Return: Tuesday, Nov 30/04 at 8:00pm from Ottawa,
arriving in Hamilton 2am, Wed Dec1/04 at Wentworth House, McMaster
University
*Price: Total Round Trip on Chartered Bus PLEASE RSVP BY Monday, Nov 29/04
* CONTACT: McMasterSocialistMovement@gmail.com, Phone# 905-527-1114
DONATIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED

Kingston Buses

Some information for those wanting to give a cold Canadian welcome
to George Bush next Tuesday, 30 November (and to remind the Federal government
to keep a healthy distance from the Ballistic Missile Defence initiative)
Queen's students are organizing buses to Ottawa, leaving 9 am,
returning 9 pm Tuesday. Cost is $15 return, buy tickets in advance from
OPIRG, Grey House, Bader Lane. For more info: opirgkin@web.net or call 533-3189

Montreal Buses

5$ students 10$ others
Montreal Call http://www.en-camino.org/bush/#montreal

RESERVATIONS:
Tél: (514) 931-2377
Email: montrealantibush@gmail.com

Peterborough Buses

Peterborough is bringing a 48 person bus to Ottawa on November 30th.
We are leaving from Sadleir house, 751 George St. N. at 0730 , making
it to both rallies, and leving Ottawa about 7 pm to return to
Peterborough. joyce.john@sympatico.ca phone 705 743-0241

Toronto Buses

All buses will depart from Toronto on Tuesday,
November 30 at 7:00am and will arrive in Ottawa at 12:00pm.
All buses will depart from Ottawa on Tuesday, November 30 at 7:00pm and will arrive in Toronto at 12:00am.
The point of departure and return for buses in Toronto is:
720 Spadina Avenue West side of Spadina Avenue, just south of Bloor Street West Take Spadina subway
please contact E-mail: stopthewar@sympatico.ca Phone: 416-795-5863

Windsor Buses

The Windsor Peace Coalition has organized one bus coming up from windsor leaving Monday night at midnight. If folks in London or surrounding areas need rides, please get in touch with the coalition as space is filling up fast. windsorpeace@hotmail.com

The Bush Protest itinerary can be found at the following url; http://nowar.ca/
_________________________

George Bush In Halifax
Thanks for the thanks, but no thanks
http://hfxpeace.chebucto.org/_archives/01.12.2004bushinhalifax.html
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 Time TBD
Location TDB (Airport?)

Halifax Peace Coalition has taken note of these plans, and will be staging a peaceful demonstration to say thanks for the belated thanks, but no thanks to helping his agenda anymore. Just because we are as John Hamm puts it "polite and welcoming" does not mean that we are "doormats". We plan to say that George W. has worn out his welcome.

Email us at: hfxpeace@chebucto.ca
Phone us at: (902) 496-9209. Ask for Chris.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:04 PM
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34. and speaking of freedominion
I see a lovely big banner on their site calling the faithful to a "welcome rally for president bush". Click on it, and ya go to a thread at the site saying basically that nobody knows where or when it is to be. (The references to the Lowell Green show are to the local equivalent of yer Rush Limbaugh.)
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=31176

We are working closely with a contact in the US Embassy who is helping us work out time/date issues. We will NOT be posting details on Free Dominion as we do not want to give our opponents the advantage of advance notice of our activities.
Anti-Bush protestors are of course being urged by the govt to work with the police on the demo arrangements.

I hope we do find out where the pro-bush forces will be massing, so we can avoid being stampeded as they arrive. I mean, how many pro-bush demonstrators *can* you fit in a volkswagen?




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elena Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:18 PM
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35. Protest In Toronto
TORONTO: Solidarity Protests Against Bush in Toronto (the US Consulate is
located at 360 University ave)

November 27, 2pm - US Consulate
Sapphic Alliance for Peace

November 30, 2pm US Consulate
Vigil to mourn the presence of International Terrorist George W. Bush in
Canada

November 30, 6pm US Consulate

Although the Toronto Coalition to Stop the War urges all to get on a bus
(see below) to Ottawa to demonstrate against George Bush's visit to Canada
on Nov. 30th, there will be a candlelight vigil in Toronto for those unable
to go:

Candlelight Vigil in Solidarity with Demonstrations to Stop Bush
Tuesday Nov. 30, 6:00 pm
360 University Ave
(1 bl. south of Dundas St. West - opposite the U.S. Consulate)

Organised by the Toronto Coalition to Stop the War
For further information call 416.979.5554 (Council of Canadians)

--The Bush Protest in Ottawa itinerary can be found at the following url;
http://nowar.ca/

--The Bush Protest in Halifax itinerary can be found at the following url;
http://hfxpeace.chebucto.org/_archives/01.12.2004bushinhalifax.html
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hermetic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 04:12 PM
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36. Hooray for you guys!
Give em hell.
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