I want to scream at the Liberals I see on TV "For God's sake answer back!"

[glarius]

EVERY TIME there's a political panel on TV, the Conservative will drone on about the corrupt government, 12 years of scandal (it's actually only the last couple of years), hundreds of broken promises...blah...blah...blah, and then will say they are running a campaign of ideas and the Liberals are just attacking Harper. Why in the hell don't the Liberals point out that every time Harper gets near a microphone he's bad-mouthing Martin and the Liberals? Even the media, seems to have taken up the call and has labeled the Liberal ads as attack ads, but for the most part are ignoring the Conservative attack ads where they show horrible pictures of Martin looking like a red faced satan, calling him a liar etc....As I'm writing this, there is a panel on CBC Newsworld, the Conservative just labeled the Liberals as all being corrupt, and as usual the Liberal just sat there and let him get away with it....I just YELLED..."For God's sake speak up and don't let him get away with that!".....I guess the reason I think this is so important is because I believe that the public, hearing it repeated over and over that the Liberals have nothing to offer but attack, will begin to believe it. Perhaps it's too late already??????
P.S....I just saw Martin on TV miss another opportunity. He mentioned that Harper's numbers don't add up, but NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DARBY OF THE CONFERENCE BOARD! He leaves the impression that it is just his opinion!

[AX10]

1. Your Liberals sound just like our Democrats.

[glarius]

2. I thought the same thing.....

By the way, Ralph Reed was up here as a consultant for the Cons....Not to mention that little worm, ex-Canadian-now-Republican David Frum.

[V. Kid]

3. Usually they're not...

...as a joke I once said that only Canada would elect Paul Martin, cause he sort of reminds me of John Kerry's image. But if Paul Martin was a USian Democrat he'd be destroyed. Stands for nothing, stands for everything. His nickname is Mr.Dithers, it's well deserved. He really wanted to be PM, but he's never really told the public why in any concrete way. Sure he's had this and that, but he's not been able to rally support like previous PM's. And yet he really wanted to be PM, in fact had he waited for it on Jean Chretien's timetable (once he forced his hand) and let Chretien be PM until feb.2004, Chretien would've still been in when the Gomery report came down, and would've been pilloried for it, not getting Martin nearly as messy as he's gotten from it.

But intrestingly enough usually our Conservatives are like your Democrats. Always pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. Usually the Liberals treat the Conservatives like the Globetrotters treat the Washington Generals. The Liberals are known as Canada's "natural governing party".

Anyways Glarius, still think we should all vote Liberal to stop the Conservatives? ;-)

[glarius]

5. When I said that we should all vote

Liberal to stop the Conservatives, I thought that was the only way to stop them...Now I don't know what to do...The NDP are not going to be able to stop them....By the way, I have voted for Liberal, NDP and Progressive Conservative in the past...I don't belong to any party....
P.S....I just saw that snake Harper on TV talking to a group in Quebec saying "Duceppe was unable to stop the federal interference in your affairs. I will."....Can you imagine the shit that will stir up if he gets a majority and opens up the whole Quebec thing again?

[V. Kid]

12. Well, you have to think about what riding you live in...

...think of the results last time, think of whose running this time, think of the polls now, the issues now, then you'll know.

[HEyHEY]

7. No matter who wins...we'll have a shit PM

[MrPrax]

4. Goes on all the time...

besides, the Liberals over the past 15 years have a free ride courtesy of the Press (esp CBC)...fact of the matter is, the Liberals are corrupt, arrogant and powermad. Sorry truth hurts...

In fact, one thing what would make a Tory win less scary was parliamentary reform--bt alas! the Liberals, I guess, figured they would just keep winning.

Yes--imagine, unlike virtually every other democracy, Harper can NOW appoint every single fuckin' government position he wants--everything from the courts to the parole board to CRTC to the head of the Bank of Canada to the immigrant claimant boards to etc etc...nice thought, huh?

Could have been avoided years ago...but no.

BUT one thing the liberals and NDP could do right now, is get really nasty and shore up their urban ridings. How?

Three of Canada's cities contain over half of this countries' population and are distinctly different from these 'small towns'. They don't even have the same problems...

They might want to REMIND urban dwellers why they left those little shitty towns and then ask them, 'you left that town to get away from these people, now they will will run your city'...

Should be interesting to see smalltown bleacher creatures armed with little but Global agit-prop and big city hate, demand that the three big cities live under their moral rules or their vision of Canada.

Bad moon rising...and I hope real social democrats start taking it seriously this time.

[AX10]

6. Works for me.

Small towns are just horrid and backward. This reminds me why I don't live a little, white, redneck town.

[MrPrax]

8. Right said...

Liberals and NDP should really try to harvest that little dirty secret...tons of people leave because this atmosphere.

Perhaps, part of the unmentioned social contract that has developed in this country, is that IF you want to be different and don't fit in, then you go to the big city and it is understood that you are 'left' alone. If this understanding is now broken, you might see a great deal of polarization of a less than healthy nature.

I know way too many social democrats that have been in the trenches working too hard for too many years(I'm in Vancouver BTW)...democracy or not, ain't NO way a tory federal gov't is even going to be seen as legit on many many issues.

Take abortion for instance, and any attempt to even look at the status quo, this WILL not be a problem...nobody is going to go back simply coz these pigs managed after 15 fuckin' years to find a weak liberal gov't.

Shit, reminding people just how many times they got into fights with drunken junior hockey players 'back home' should be enough...heh

oops too much...sorry

[HEyHEY]

9. I just left one

Well, it wasn't too bad. But before that Ilived in two redneck towns. What always surprised me was they way these people think city folk somehow have something against them and wanted them to feel shame from being from the country. So often I wanted to yell, "WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU!"

[CanSocDem]

10. Backward...???? Perhaps...

...but from this vantage point in small town, Saskatchewan, it could be a lot worse.

My town is a shining example of the original vision of the CCF. Our population is less than 2k but we have a hospital, a nursing home, two pharmacies, two outpatient clinics, four or five doctors and a community support system for healthy seniors.

The original publicly owned grid road system as well as the power and telephone systems are still in use today and continue to give voice and access to every loudmouthed greed head who thinks Stephen Harper is God. My town is full of people like this because we haven't spent enough time educating.....

It's our own fault if the people elect Harper.

[glarius]

11. Don't you think that Canadians have been duped

into believing that Harper was mislabeled by the "corrupt" Liberals? He has been completely made over as a big teady bear....won't hurt anyone....it's just the Liberals trying to smear him...blah, blah, blah. When he is asked a revealing question, like "why were you for Canada going into the Iraq war?" he answers, "everyone knows I'm against sending troups to Iraq." Nobody follows up with, "then why did you go on Fox TV and apologize for Canada not joining the Iraq war?"....It's the same with any question he doesn't like. He slides out of answering it and the media lets him off the hook....I really don't blame the people so much as I do the media.

[CanSocDem]

13. "the media" is a good start...

'Main stream media' has never been progressive. For a few short years in the 60's and 70's there were experiments in alternative press as a counterforce but they were, in my experience, underfunded out of existence or co-opted into 'ad rags'.

Printing technology has advanced so much that publication is available to anyone with a PC. If everyone has the potential to be a newspaper or a progressive news outlet, who the hell needs the MSM?

I forgot to mention earlier that despite our favourable social environment, we are buried in right wing media. I've been lobbying the local newsstand for more than a year to make the Globe&Mail available as a less strident voice of corporate interest. Even our local 'weekly' manages to devote at least two thirds of its editorial space to either promoting the interests of the right or criticizing the NDP government.

But we do have "High Speed Internet"!!

The blogs will set us free....