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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:07 AM
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Using Santorum to do real damage to the Republicans.
I posted this on the Oklahoma forum (for obvious reasons and please forgive the Oklahoma references that I left in) and got very little response aside from one person who said Oklahomans would probably go along with it and that worried him/her. Actually, that Oklahomans would probably agree would make it easier to do this in the sense that they would provide cover for the fact that this was actually an opposition operation. It would also work in Pennsylvania. Please Pennsylvanian DU'ers, let me know what you think. The premise is drive the most extreme Repubicans further to the right thus creating a wedge to split the Party, wake-up some right of center folks creating an anti-Republican backlash, and garner media attention for their hypocrisy on social issues.

You have one of the nuttiest, right-wing senators in the country. Make it work for us instead of against Dems and progressives.

Here's the idea. You are all (hold your noses) constitutents of Senator Lesbian Encounters in Public School Bathrooms Coburn so he has to listen when his "conservative" constituents bombard him with a request. What you want is for him to pass a federal law/constitutional amendment making the prescribing of birth control on the grounds that they are abortifacients (causes the abortion of preborn babies by preventing them from finding a safe home in their mother's womb) AND outlawing in vitro fertilization (destruction of human life). Actually, you'll have edit out my sarcasm.

The point is to push the Republican to wildly unpopular positions, stances, and actions (proposing legislation) by pushing them to the logical endpoints of their positions. And this is just the issue to do it because tens of millions of couples (married and unmarried) are just not going to sit still to be pushed back to barrier methods of contraception. The point is to use their own belief systems (its an inviolate human life the instant the sperm penatrates the egg) to drive a wedge between the real fruitcakes (Coburn) and his only slightly less nutty colleagues and at the same time alerting the population to where this could all end up (taken to its logical conclusions). And you need to get a grassroots campaign going. "We elected you and now we want you to do this for us." At some point you could enlist (might be useful as cover) some local right-wing conservatives (surely you have a few), which you could find through the information below.


Here's an article http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-1-93-35-413...
to help you get started.

Note from the article

" signed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which gives a fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus separate legal status if harmed during a violent crime." Note fertilized egg protection.

Your letters and calls to Coburn make great hay out of the protection this law affords fertilized eggs from violence while millions of their brother and sister preborn babies (honest, I don't think I can write "fellow fertilized eggs") are denied the safety of their mothers' wombs and thus are killed by their very own mothers. It's not fair that only some are protected in life when all should be.

and I'm sure you can find more information here (from the article)
anti-Pill organization Pro-Life America on the group's Web site, ProLife.com.

and also from the article

"In the past decade or so, the "hormonal birth control equals abortion" view has quietly grown roots in the antiabortion underground. It's spread from doctor to doctor, through local newsletters, in books with titles such as Does the Birth Control Pill Cause Abortions? (written by Randy Alcorn, an Oregon-based antiabortion pastor and author). . . . An Internet search turns up thousands of Web sites containing articles with titles such as "The Pill Kills Babies," "Are Contraception and Abortion Siamese Twins?" and "The Dirty Little Secrets about the Birth Control Pill."

Come on, you can do it, hoist them on their own petard. Your state just handed all of us (with your help) an unmatched opportunity. And don't let Coburn weasel out. Keep pushing and pushing and pushing. Drown him in entreaties to do this and don't let up.

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Loki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:21 AM
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1. I've been thinking a lot about this.
Pushing them into unsupportable positions on birth control and also in vitro fertilization. The area of in vitro has always puzzled me, implanting fertilized eggs and often most of these are aborted without implanting in the woman's uterus. The premise being, how many "babies" must die before you get your live baby? The hew and cry and howling that would accompany that little gem would set up the debate. On this one, we need to draw the lines in the sand and make them cross them.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:31 AM
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2. Santorum has actually come out for banning birth control
He has publicly stated that the Supreme Court erred in "Griswold", the decision which establised the right to birth control.

But don't expect the Catholic Church and its conservative supporters to be anything but total hypocrits on the "pro-life" issue. Very few are willing to cede that the Church's position on the death penalty, the Iraq war, nukes, and IVF (which could hurt them with conservative voters) are anywhere near as important as their position on abortion.

They aren't going to risk alienating the flock by speaking too loudly on IVF and birth control.

It's a shame - there are liberal Catholic parishes out there doing amazing work for peace and social justice, and I have a ton of respect for the TRULY pro-life Sister Mary Scullions of the world, but the conservatives drove me out of the Church.


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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:39 AM
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4. do you have a link for this? I live in Pa and am compiling a
Santorum file.
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Joy Anne Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:36 AM
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5. link
There's an AP story out this morning that I saw in the Harrisburg Patriot-News. Google News shows about 67 papers carrying it. Here's the link from the Philadelphia Inquirer:

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/10169678.htm
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:55 PM
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6. for your santorum file some links on the coming santorum CYBERGATE SCANDAL
Santorum CYBERGATE SCANDAL links

DATE SOURCE AUTHOR NOTES

10/20/04 Penn Hills Progress Vera Miller original source
http://www.gatewaynewspapers.com/pennhillsprogress/3688... /

11/06/04 Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Vera Miller
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pit...

11/10/04 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Sally Kalson only P-G story so far? Contains PA supreme ct info
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04315/409553.stm

11/11/04 Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Frazier & Jewell
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/tri...

11/12/04 Tallahassee Democrat (AP) Jennifer Yates picked up nationally
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/10169219.htm

N/A Allegheny Property Assessment Web Site official property info
http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/General.a...

i've been working on this for the last few days, but being a newbie i can't post new threads so i'm attaching this where i can.

if anyone has new sources, please reply to my post and i will continue to compile the list.

i have contacted the local DFA group in the hopes of organizing a sign campaign. unfortunately, i have no resources but a lot of ideas, including a web site, bumper stickers and...

erecting 4'X 8' signs in high visibility locations in communities around allegheny county saying something like -

SENATOR SANTORUM
DON'T MOVE HERE
WE CAN'T AFFORD YOU

we need to act now. we can't wait two years to start our campaign against santorum. strike while the iron is hot!

if anyone in the pgh area is interested in this please contact me at erd15216@comcast.net
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:59 AM
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7. UPDATED and corrected links...
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:57 AM
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3. But that's just the point
"They aren't going to risk alienating the flock by speaking too loudly on IVF and birth control."

You can make them "come out too loudly on IVF and birth control." And really only you guys (I'm going to see if I can find any more really right wing senators) can do it because people, like me who live in states with moderate Republican senators, wouldn't be able to get them to "take the bait." This is a campaign that could be run from your computer. Letters to the Senator expressing your concern. Pressure on the state affiliates of these anti-birth control organizations to contact the Senator. Enlisting some genuine anti-birth control folks for cover. Make them think there is a groundswell of support for this when in reality it is all (virtually all) illusion.
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