Hooley, voting record

[Robert Oak]

Immigration:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=OR&VIPID=680

AFL-CIO (unions)
http://www.oraflcio.unions-america.com/Legislative/u.s._congress_voting.htm

2002 Campaign contributions:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.asp?cycle=2002&cid=N00007700

? 105th congress NOW (women's rights)
http://www.now.org/issues/election/analysis1998/house-n-o.html

ACLU:
http://archive.aclu.org/vote-guide/93.html

Forests:
http://www.americanlands.org/CAMPAIGN/forest_scorecard.htm

China PNTR:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/chinatrade.htm
1997 Washington Post article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/trade/stories/tr121297.htm
but did at least vote down the chile free trade agreement
http://www.nwlaborpress.org/2003/8-1-03Trade.html
Did vote FOR Singapore
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/285352.shtml

India caucus:
http://www.outsourcecongress.org/rep/indiapac/

Ms. Hooley’s “Republicrat” voting record in the House, one that has earned her a 40 percent conservative rating on economic issues from the National Journal.

Ms. Hooley (so-called Democrat) supported the president on tax cuts, No Child Left Behind Act, on thinning public forests and was the only Oregon House Democrat to vote with the president on the $87 billion for Iraq last fall.

I still to tally the incredible number of bills killed in committee
or voted down that will stop outsourcing and get her record.
Honestly I think she might be turning a corner, but it's only
through letter writing that will get her to take a more active
stance against outsourcing, H-1b, L-1 illegal immigration.
Remember, ENORMOUS and I mean ENORMOUS pressure from the ITAA
to get increases in H-1B, L-1 Visa to bring in foreigners and fire
Americans from ITAA members: Intel, GE, HP, IBM and many
of these companies have plants in her district...please write
her showing support to stop outsourcing, H-1B, L-1, illegal immigration.

[West Coast Democrat]

1. Did they say, "Send in the Hooley Attack Dogs!" Today?

There was another one of you people in here a few days ago. You guys are a little too obvious.

[Robert Oak]

2. wrong o die hard liberal democrat

problem is democrats are voting for H-1B, L-1, illegal immigration
and outsourcing which is destroying the middle class.

Deal with the facts and stop the attacks.

[sandnsea]

3. Campaigning for Mitch Besser?

Is that it? And the only way you guys know how to campaign is by attacking Democrats? Try another tact, this one is offensive and destructive.

[Robert Oak]

4. wrong o buddy, it's Hooley's to lose

If anything I'd vote green, you just don't GET that DEMOCRATS
are selling Americans down the tubes by outsourcing and trade.

It's a matter of putting pressure on our representatives to represent US.

A Republican would only get my vote by stopping the free traitor
rampage and stopping outsourcing and I sincerely doubt that's
going to happen.

Quit accusing and look at the ISSUE!

[sandnsea]

5. yeah, voting Green

Mitch Besser, like I thought. So campaign for Mitch Besser and his platform. What's he got to offer? Do you even know? Is it any different on trade than what the Democratic Party has been trying to get into trade agreements for years? How is Mitch going to accomplish it?

[Robert Oak]

6. you've got some bug up your ass

I'm a registered democrat and there are problems with Hooley's record
which any AFL-CIO member would also talk about.

Get a life.

[sandnsea]

7. Debate bothers you?

Or do you expect to only debate on your terms? If Greens and Naderites want to keep posting their rants and not expect to be challenged, they're obviously on the wrong board. You're the one who said you'd vote Green, so don't start back-peddling now. I'm tired of these disruptive and destructive games. Back your candidate and party, out in the open, and quit hiding behind the anonymity of a computer screen to further your agenda.

[Robert Oak]

8. What debate

There is no debate here. Just accusations when what's needed
is to get our representatives to vote for the people.

I have no idea what you people are doing on this board. The minute
anyone points out some facts you get really upset, slam and don't have
anything to say on the issues themselves.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

10. Sure, I'll "debate" you...

Your first link went to "Americans for Better Immigration", an interest group which gives the likes of Asa Hutchinson - Bush's Immigration and Homeland Security Czar, an A+. This interest group's belief seems to be that we need to keep all those brown people out of the U.S., and man those Bushies are really great at it!

Your second link went to unions, who gave her an "82% lifetime right" (as in they approved). By contrast, Walden, a typical republican had a 17% lifetime right.

Your third link went to opensecrets, where we find that Darlene receives about equal support from individuals, PACs (including unions) and businesses. Oh, great tragedy. (Great surprise too.)

The next went to NOW, where she is considered on the right side of the issues in 16 out of 20 times. A full third of the republicans were on the right side of the issue ZERO out of twenty times. Furthermore, most of the issues Darlene was "wrong" on were unworkable bureaucratic nightmares that would make Democrats big fat targets in the general election.

The ACLU calls her right on 4 of 6 issues. One of which was a meaningless vote of "support", and the other which was a 'try certain juveniles as adults' measure.

The next went to an environmentalist group that not only gives her an 83% lifetime record, but one of the votes they judge the whole congress on is a rider that she herself authored!

The next link goes to "http://christianpatriot.com ", which decries her support for Permanent Most Favored Nation status to China. As far as I'm concerned, the wealthier the Chinese get, the less likely we are to have a nuclear war with them. But then, I'm not a "Christian Patriot". I'm just the regular kind.


I could go on, but it's pretty obvious that Darlene Hooley is a moderate, slightly left of the party center, Democrat. She's a bit more liberal than I would like, but I were in her district, I'd support her in a heartbeat.

Unlike you.

The simple fact is that you are - despite your party registration - not a Democrat. Anyone who does not support, and does not vote for the Democrat in the general election is NOT a Democrat. Period.

So please go and find the "Green Underground" and post to your hearts content there. Thank you.

- C.D.

[Robert Oak]

11. Hello no clue

When your job is taken and you have no money and are homeless get
back to me on sending your job to China. when the world chokes
on greenhouse gases, get back to me on China.

As illegal immigrants suck up our resources and our jobs and when
you get cancer, lose your health insurance and declare bankruptcy
due to your unpaid medical bills, get back to me on China.

Look at the trade deficit currently and get back to me on how
the China trade agreement is a good thing for the United States.

If anyone should get off these boards and go comment in a Republican
or maybe a foreign group, it's you.

Read our URL and you'll see why I am posting Hooley's record.

Odds are I will still vote for her but it'a a matter of putting
pressure on democrats to vote for the people.

Illegal immigration, outsourcing and trade agreements are destroying
America.

As far as the links...they are her voting record. We are not
racists we are for Americans which you my dear need to consider.

How about being concerned about the many Americans going under
instead of foreigners?

[ConservativeDemocrat]

13. My, you are a piece of work...

My job wasn't sent to China, it was sent to India. I had to scramble for a new one, which turned out to be at a place I'd already left, except at a lower rung. So don't go lecturing me on how the global economy can cause economic dislocation and hardship.

Still, you are obviously someone who wants to point your finger at a single issue - in this case foreign competition - and pretend that all the bad things in the world stem from it. It's not true.

- Combined with a top notch educational system, foreign trade creates many more American jobs that it looses, and most of those are significantly better than average wages. President Clinton's entire economic strategy revolved around it, and you know how successful he was.

- Illegal immigrants have nothing to do with the lack of American health care. It's the Republicans, Stupid!

- Illegal immigrants largely don't use social services in this country. They're too afraid of being caught. They do, however pay taxes, and send enormous amounts of money into Social Security (by using fake ids) that they'll never collect. It is, in fact, one of the main reasons the system isn't completely broken, despite the Republican looting of it.

- The "trade deficit" is caused by fraudulent accounting. U.S. corporations overpay their subsidiaries so as to make it seem like they're less profitable than they are. This is aided and abetted by the GOP imposed system that makes non-repatriated profits tax free.

Understand, Mr. Oak, that you have the right to run in the Primary against Ms. Hooley. But your incessant campaigning against her in the general election makes it abundantly clear that you are a Naderite (e.g. pro-GOP) fake Democrat. At this point, the only thing you can do by sinking her campaign is to put a Republican in her place, and drive America deeper into the moral cesspool.

- C.D.

[0rganism]

9. Consider this: Democrats need to pick up 11 seats to control the House

435 seats
228 held by Republicans
206 held by Democrats
1 held by Bernie Sanders of VT, who caucuses D

Every seat won by a Democrat is one step closer to having majority say in every committee. It's one step closer to changing the bills that come to the floor. It's one step toward congressional investigation of the Bush Crime Syndicate. Unlike the Senate, the majority party in the House controls EVERYTHING that goes on there. There are no fancy filibusters and cloture votes to gum things up.

So when you diss Hooley for her centrism, you're dissing every solid liberal in the Democratic caucus in the same breath. You're saying, "I don't want Peter DeFazio chairing a committee." You're saying, "It doesn't matter to me if Rep. Pelosi or Rep. DeLay decides which bills get a floor debate." You're saying, "I don't much care if the house republicans get to tear into President Kerry just like they did to Clinton for 6 years straight."

Maybe the full situation just hasn't occurred to you yet. Whether or not you like her, we NEED Hooley in there. Especially after the gerrymandering in Texas, picking up enough seats for a majority is going to be hard; don't make it any harder than it has to be. She's an incumbent, she has a natural advantage, her centrism meshes well with her district. She merits your vote, because Blumenauer and DeFazio merit your vote.

[Robert Oak]

12. due to the idiots on this board you're reading me wrong

It's a matter of putting pressure on Hooley to vote for Americans
and what we want...

since the primary is over, there is no question on the actual election
vote.

Unless some miracle happens and her Republican counterpart starts
swearing up and down he's going to stop outsourcing, rescind those
trade agreements which are leading to a record trade deficit and
shipping jobs overseas, stopping illegal immigration, H1-B, L-1
Visa abuse which allows multinationals to being in foreigners in order to fire Americans after they train those foreigners, reform the corporate tax code to stop giving away all of the money to the super
rich and balance the budget....

I'm voting for Hooley. That isn't the issue, the issue is this is an election year so raising these issues to her and getting her to change
her PAC voting ways is what we want to happen.

It's kind of an "Anybody but Bush"...she gets the vote but it's
more least objectionable programming and we need to pressure
our representatives to start voting and acting for the people
they represent, not multinationals and special interest groups.

BTW: previous comment said in order to avoid nuclear war we must
sell our country down the river, give our jobs to foreigners and
sign trade agreements that weaken dramatically the US
and give intellectual property and manufacturing know how to
these foreign nations.

So, in essence we must lose the war or they will blow us up.
The economic war.

Has anyone ever heard such a BS rationalization? What complete
crap. Look at Citigroup and Goldman Sachs and see who is really
making out like a bandit on the China trade agreement.

The threat of nuclear war is one of the biggest propaganda statements
I've heard all year used to justify selling our country and it's people down the river.

[0rganism]

14. "If anything I'd vote green"

I think that was the part that threw me off. Hey, it's quite possible I've misunderstood your intentions, happens all too often for me. But looking back over the thread, I'm not the only one who seems to have gotten the impression that you weren't voting for Rep. Hooley.

You know, us idiots sometimes get hung up on dumb little things like that. Maybe if you'd specifically said

> I'm voting for Hooley.

earlier in this thread, a whole lot of pointless arguing could have been avoided. Communication's a two-way process, so maybe we can make a deal. You write your messages in such a way that you honestly think any idiot on this board can understand what you're saying, and I'll make sure to ask you if I've read you right before I start disagreeing with anything you say. Are we on?

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