Question for Ohio DUers

[proud2BlibKansan]

This was posted on another board I belong to. The poster claimed it had been emailed to him and there was no link attached. Have any of you seen this? Please tell me it's a bad joke and Sen. Glenn NEVER said this. Thanks

Check out part of this speech to Democrats made by Senator John Glenn......

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during
January.... in the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the
entire war torn country of Iraq. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, remember the following ..

FDR...led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of
112,500 per year.

Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy. ..started the Vietnam conflict in
1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French
consent, Bosnia never attacked us.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the years since terrorists attacked us President
Bush has....
- liberated two countries
- crushed the Taliban
- crippled al-Qaida
- put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot
- captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war
is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took
Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in
Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it
took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the
votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The
Military morale is high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

[realisticphish]

1. that's fucking bullshit

John Glenn is a diehard liberal democrat; he introduced kerry at the Ohio State kerry rally, and had some damn harsh words for shrub. This seriously makes me want to beat someone. i've met him, he teaches at my school, and this is a disgraceful attempt to use a great man to spout bullshit

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. I figured it was bullshit

Apparently it is going around the net. Snopes has nothing about it. I would love to refute this because it was posted by a RW butthead.

on edit: Here is the link to the board where it was posted:
http://users.boardnation.com/~kctv/index.php?board=18;action=display;threadid=2736

[realisticphish]

3. i looked up some stuff

and hes not QUITE as liberal as i thought, but still liberal. moderate on most things http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Glenn.htm

voted to prohibit same-sex marraige, but

Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted NO on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Voted NO on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Voted NO on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)
Voted YES on increasing tobacco restrictions. (Jun 1998)
Voted NO on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Voted NO on deploying missile defense as soon as possible. (Sep 1998)
Voted YES on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)
Voted NO on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)
Voted YES on continuing desert protection in California. (Oct 1994)
Voted YES on requiring EPA risk assessments. (May 1994)
Fund studies of invasive species and algal blooms. (Mar 1998)

so, all around,a moderate liberal.

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Thanks

that helps

[OzarkDem]

6. Check Snopes

Its full of phony right wing emails that are sent around under John Glenn's name.

I too saw Glenn give his speech the night before the election at the Cleveland Kerry rally. I've never seen him so pi**ed before, he's furious at the way Bush is treating our military and handling the situation in Iraq.

I wish I could get a transcript of that speech. It was excellent. If anyone comes across it, let me know.

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. I did check Snopes

The only thing on there was that debate back in the 70s where his opponent accused him of never having a job.

[dsc]

15. That would have been Metzenbalm

Metzenbalm's only loss was in that race (stupid, stupid, stupid)

[Kolesar]

16. Metzenbaum

Metzenbalm sounds like a product you would buy for chapped hands in a pharmacy in Shaker Heights.

[liberalhistorian]

10. I was there, too,

and saw his speech at the Kerry rally. There is NO WAY he could have said any of what the email claims, quite the opposite in fact. Like you said, he's absolutely furious at Shrub and his handling of Iraq and the military.

[Tigress DEM]

14. You mean bushit? nt

[Extend a Hand]

5. Ewwwww, I feel dirty now

at least four of those quotes are straight of that idiot Rush Limbaugh's website:

http://www.rushonline.com/proud.htm

[johnnie]

7. Not John Glenn

That email has been floating around for a while and is credited to a bunch of different people.
Just more crap that the repugs don't check out and just go and shoot their loads. You have to remember that they don't think, they just react.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

9. ...and lie

Let's not forget that when the facts don't support their agenda, Republicans will simply lie. They'll say anything to "prove" their point. As is evidenced by most of that e-mail.

[Tigress DEM]

13. If you can't think it, fake it... then put someone else's name on it.

[Dark]

11. Ok. All lies.

Detroit had its police budget reduced because of George.

Germany declared war on us.

As for Vietnam, Kennedy didn't start the war. He sent advisors, but he didn't start it. You even don't start counting casualties until 1965. AFTER Kennedy was assassinated.

Ever hear of Tonkin Gulf? We were attacked (supposedly) there.

North Korea attacked our ally. We were obligated to intervene.

As for the 1965-1975 thing, Nixon helped with that.

The UN asked us to intervene in Bosnia, as did Europe. We went in there with the UN.

Clinton couldn't have gotten Osama because of American Law.

But Bush 1 could have gotten Saddam during the first Iraq war, but hey, we don't talk about Bush's mistakes.

Bush has not liberated anything. We (the US) are still in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

The taliban is experiencing a resurgence, as is Al-Qaeda.

Iran and N. Korea have kicked out our Nuke inspectors.

Bush also slaughtered 100,000 people to get to that terrorist.

The war hasn't stopped yet. Bush even recanted his 'mission accomplished' speech.

We didn't find WMD's.

The only difference between Bush's driving drunk and Teddy's is that Bush was lucky.

We haven't taken Iraq.

Morale is in the pits.

These are the facts, not that piece of trash you put forward.

[KerryOn]

12. My Reply

>>There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during
January.... in the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

You forgot to mention that there were also over 200 wounded in action for the month of January. Some 11,000 total to date. So if 3 more then Detroit is OK in your book, then why don't you go fight Bush's war.

>>FDR...led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

And you point? We did not join the war until Japan attacked us.

>>Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year. >>John F. Kennedy. ..started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

And so what is the lesson learned? Did we not learn anything from the Korean conflict and the Vietnam war?

>>In the years since terrorists attacked us President
Bush has....
- liberated two countries
- crushed the Taliban
- crippled al-Qaida
- put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot - captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorists attacks against the United States, and don't you forget it.

In the years since terrorist attacked us Bush has...
- Ran up a record deficit.
- Let Osam slip away by out sourcing the job.
- Turned Afghanistan into a country of Drug Lords ran by the Taliban, in order to finance Osama war.
- Turned he entire world against us.
- In creased the population of al-Qaida
- Increased incentive for Iran and NK to obtain nuclear weapons by declaring them part of the axis of evil. (Which is the same as declaring war on hem.)

>>The Democrats are complaining about how long the war
is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took
Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation

Iraq has not been taken. If it had we would not still be there.

>We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in
Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

And we will never find them. Bush has even admitted that hey were never there. Chaney and you are the only ones still delirious.

>>It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it
took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick.

What a joke! We did not defeat them. They new they were no match for our bombs and sophisticated weapons, so they disappeared into the wood work to fight on there terms. Its called a guerrilla war, that we like the Russians found out can never be won.

Wake Up!

[MeDeMax]

17. I had the honor of meeting John Glenn

,our first man in space, in Akron last fall during a Kerry Rally.

This is a FUD (fear uncertainity doubt) campaign to discredit one of Ohio's proud and respected sons because of his liberal views or because he is a democrat, take your pick.

I most vividly remember him in his role as a shield against the over-reaching monicagate conspirators.

Ohio be proud of you and God Speed John Glenn !