Man Stabbed After Coming On To Lesbian

[deadparrot]

NEW YORK -- New York City police said a 28-year-old Queens man was stabbed in the stomach Friday after he came on to a lesbian in the West Village.

Police said Dwayne Buckle was in critical condition Saturday at Saint Vincent's Hospital, where he underwent surgery on his liver.

Investigators said Buckle was stabbed after he stopped a 19-year-old woman and told her she was pretty.

The Daily News reported in its Saturday editions that Buckle, who the paper described as a “DVD bootlegger in the West Village,” spat on the 4-foot-11 woman after she rebuffed him.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/9705503/detail.html?rss=ny&psp=news

[Demeter]

1. Seems Fair to Me

And I am none of the above.

[Eric J in MN]

4. "Police arrested the women a block away on charges of attempted murder"

Not necessarily the best way to handle the situation.

[Demeter]

24. When You Are 4'11", Female, and :Lesbian

what other viable choices are there? A cell phone call to 911?

Sometimes an object lesson is the only wway to get through.

[Selatius]

27. Well, she could've kicked him in the nuts to stop him

If he was too big for her alone, I would've overlooked the several others jumping in to beat him, but she stabbed him. Unless he was trying to rape or kill her, I don't think she had grounds to stick him with a knife. I'm not siding with the man here or his spitting or his hateful slurs, but we've got to be fair to all sides here.

[orpupilofnature57]

91. I agree, a kick in the nuts was merited.

[Lost-in-FL]

28. She should have

turned the other cheek. :sarcasm: :eyes:

[Eric J in MN]

36. She had a bunch of friends with her.

They could have stood there and called 911 on a cellphone.

He was unarmed as far as we know.

[Karenca]

44. I saw the whole thing..........

She had plenty of choices, like keep walking after he said "you're fine".......
Her and her 6 friends attacked this guy---you're not getting the whole story yet.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

82. I'm a 5'1" lesbian female and no, there are other viable choices.

First of all, according to the article, aside from spitting & throwing a cigarette, he didn't physically do anything to them. He verbally assaulted them. They should have walked away and called the cops. If he physically hit or grabbed one of them, then a physical response would have been appropriate. However, by physical response I mean, hitting him (easy enough with a group) until he is no longer a threat. Once a man is down, there is no need to stab him repeatedly with a steak knife. I'm sorry, but these women are violent criminals and they deserve what they were charged with. They don't have a legal argument for self-defense, because they not only stepped over that line, they leaped over it.

And that is what this 5'1" 105lb. lesbian self-defense instructor has to say about it. Charge him with verbal assault and whatever spitting and throwing a cigarette is considered and keep the charges on these women.

[Montauk6]

84. I agree, the stabbing was out of line but here's another angle...

I'm wondering if we are witnessing the evolution of a severe backlash/powderkeg taking place.

A few months ago, I was reading in the Village Voice about this controversial revenge website (can't recall the URL, sorry) where women in NYC are fighting back the really obnoxious "hey baby" nonsense that seems to get more and more aggressive to the point of rude taunting. In a city that's kinda curbed aggressive panhandling, there still remains the problem of women being hounded by neanderthals who can't SERIOUSLY believe that their spontaneous street "rap" will just make any self-respecting female melt in his arms (my theory is that, perhaps, these guys are closet-case cowards who, instead of coping with their true sexuality, must project to the world how uber-hetero they are with this sick display of machismo).

The idea behind this website is that the advent of the cellphone camera allows women to discreetly snap a photo of the masher and then post it online in order to embarrass the idiot and warn other people. The controversy, of course, is the privacy issue and public ridicule as vigilante justice. Maybe the next unfortunate step until something (don't know what) is done about it is outright violence as we've seen in this case.

However this plays out, you can bet it will be an episode of Law & Order in the not-too-distant future.

[Karenca]

85. Montauk...Agressive panhandling is very much alive.

At least downtown it is.

What's more annoying than the catcalls and panhandling is the fact that I cannot walk
by the southwest corner of Washington Square Park without being approached by drug dealers.

That corner of the park is scary....I hate Guiliani, but I have to say that at least during his administration
the park was safe.
It's back to exactly the way it used to be .

[Montauk6]

86. OK, after 10 years, maybe I still haven't gotten Michigan out of my system

But, Karenca, I find that SO weird.

Not that I'm doubting you but it's just that...

OK, think about it, I'm a drug dealer. Last time I checked I could do some major prison time if I'm caught plying my trade. So, wouldn't I have to be a major moron to go up to strangers and pitch?

Begging for pennies, I can understand—there's not been a major crackdown with national boundaries, a la the drug jihad. But offering coke and weed??? I don't get it.

If I were a narc, that's entirely different; but then again, I should be sharp enough to figure that MOST people would smell the red flag of entrapment, esp. if I'm blatantly hustling like that.

On the other hand, this is NYC...

[Karenca]

87. Come to Washington Square Park.

TOTALLY filling up the Southest corner
are drug dealers.

Out in the open, in broad daylight, and all night.

I AM for legalizing marijuana, etc..............But, I am scared of these
guys in the park. They'll approach almost everyone that walks by. They're a super creepy bunch, and I've already been
physically assaulted by one of them when I was walking home...
I'm 5'1.

Just come to WSP, if you can----You'de be shocked at what goes on in that corner.

[Montauk6]

88. Again, I'm NOT doubting you, I'm commenting on the absurdity

Unless they've got the protection of the cops (which is grounds for ANOTHER discussion), I can't see how a drug dealer would be so out there. Call me "small town" all you want but it truly makes no sense. They're BEGGING to be busted!

[smirkymonkey]

93. I'll vouch for you - I walked through that park everyday to work

from the West Village (I recently moved to the Upper West Side) and it has been getting seedier and more threatening as time goes on. I am a 5'5 woman and used to getting harassed here, but I have learned how to project the New York 'fuck off' vibe and it works fairly well - although I still get angry that I have to put up with that shit in the first place.

It makes me realize that on some level, I am always living in fear of men and their aggression and hostility. I kind of sucks because I have gotten to the point where I even mistrust obviously decent men these days.

[Karenca]

94. It's horrible

Being that you're from this area, you know exactly where I'm situated.

I live right off the park ... on Fifth.

I moved downtown because I always loved the village and the surrounding neighborhoods. I narrowed
my choice to where I am now because I felt safe and I loved the idea of a large park right by me.

(I was also very excited that there was a dog park inside the park made especially for tiny breeds.)

So, the park is practically at my doorstep, but now
I circle around it.

[Karenca]

76. Good for you.

I hope you're never called to jury duty.

[Renew Deal]

89. Or let out of prison.

:dunce:

[Karenca]

90. ............

ha ha ..

:hi:

[Kickoutthejams23]

2. Gang of petite but ornery lesbians...

:rofl:

Read the link it sounds like that Monty Python skit with the old ladies attacking youths.

[TheDebbieDee]

5. But it says that he spat on her.........

after she rebuffed his advances! Some people just can't take "no" as an answer.

[LostinVA]

18. And, I bet all he said was, "You're pretty."

[AngryAmish]

49. I read that too

It was in the NY Daily News yesterday. I had never read the paper before. The Headline (about the guy arrested in JonBenet) "PERV"S LAIR" in six inch letters. It was so funny.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

83. You've got to watch out for petite but ornery lesbians.

I know. I'm one of them. However, since I'm not a violent person, I would never stab somebody without doing it to either save my own life or somebody else's life. It would take far more than name-calling and spitting for me to do that. And yeah, I do carry a knife and I'm trained in using it.

BTW, my grandmother successfully chased her mugger into a car accident scene once. She then had to be restrained by police, because she kept hitting him with her bag, after the cops cuffed him.

[TheDebbieDee]

3. He should've kept his spit in his mouth.........

where it belonged!

[kiahzero]

6. So stabbing him was appropriate? (n/t)

[Boomer]

11. No, just fun

Yeah, yeah, I know, not the appropriate response at all.

But as a not-so-petite lesbian, who has lived in NYC and been subject to all sorts of unwanted abusive advances by men, it's REALLY hard not to experience a kind of cathartic release when reading this account.

I'll try harder to control my primal reactions....

[Deja Q]

14. You don't want to know my past and I am still a very civil person.

Trust me on that.

That knife-wielding hooligan should be locked up for a while. Without her knife.

[Boomer]

33. Agreed.

That level of violence, especially given that he was outnumbered 6-to-1, was unwarranted.

The article itself was rather conflicted in tone. On the one hand reporting a serious knifing, on the other referring to "petite but ornery lesbians."

[Karenca]

53. You're right --

I hope they lock her up and take her whole gang .
I saw the whole thing.

Nobody here is realizing that they're only getting one side of the story...the girl's side.

I was there, this is not what happened.

At least seven people jumped this guy and started beating the crap out of him AFTER "THEY" SPIT ON HIM.

I'm going to be witness.

[ContraBass Black]

78. "I'm going to be witness."

Should you be talking about it here then?

[TreasonousBastard]

80. You got it...

I don't doubt you've put up with a lot of crap over the years, and the temptation to start swinging must have been overwhelming at times.

But, the measure of a man or woman is to resist that temptation and find a more appropriate and effective response.

[cali]

40. You should try a lot damn harder

Stabbing him was wrong. It's that simple.

[Demeter]

51. Consider the Feedback Lorena Bobbit Generated

among men of a certain belief in God-given right to dominance...some people will learn no other way. It is very hard on the two parties, but an excellent education for deterring future assault and battery, escalating as such things often do, to much worse things. The man is first verbally and then physically picking a fight...and son-of-a-gun, he GOT one!


If the man doesn't respect a woman, he will be taught to fear her.

[Karenca]

60. What?

I'm not a lesbian,
but I'm a very petite woman living alone in Greenwich Village, and I get hit on constantly.

I'm not getting an ounce of pleasure from this guy's experience.

[LostinVA]

19. If she felt threatened, yes

I'm betting he didn't stop her and say, "Hey, please excuse me if I'm being forward... but you're a pretty woman. That's all I wanted to say!" He said whatever he said, then SPAT on a petite woman. What's he look like? How big? His demeanor? How threatening? Seems to me he legally assaulted her, so she acted in self defense.

It's time certain men need to learn that certain actions and words are not acceptable. Society and the law should take care of it... they don't. So she needed to.

[Eric J in MN]

37. She had a bunch of friends with her and he was alone. NT

NT

[Demeter]

52. Counting on His God-Given Rights of Male Domination

what a moron. Totally 50's. Sounds like a bad takeoff on "Carousel".

[kiahzero]

67. I'd say the stabbing is a lot less acceptable than the spitting

But maybe I'm just not liberal enough to condone attempted murder.

[baldguy]

7. Sounds like she stabbed him because he spat on her.

[xultar]

9. Bingo. But let's see how the jury spins it. If it had ben a gay man and

a straight man. It would have been o.k. for the straight man to stab the gay man.

[Liberal Veteran]

15. But it might be interesting if she used the "straight panic" defense.

It would be almost worth it just to show how utterly ridiculous the notion of "gay panic" is as defense.

[KittyWampus]

48. What in Creation is 'gay panic' defense? I'm almost afraid to ask...

[Liberal Veteran]

55. Essentially it is a legal tactic.

It basically tries to make the claim of someone injuring or killing someone was the result of panic when the gay person made a pass and is used a mitigating factor in deciding the outcome or punishment in the case now and then.

It was tried unsuccessfully in the Matthew Shepphard case.

[qazplm]

10. last time I checked

stabbing was not an appropriate response to being spit on, nor is it deserved.

If a lesbian had been stabbed for coming on to a woman, and had spit on her, I doubt anyone would be posting similiarly as some of the "got what he deserved" posts in this thread.

[baldguy]

30. It may not be appropriate, but it is understandable.

If the headline said "Man Spits On Woman, Gets Stabbed" it wouldn't be news an we wouldn't be talking about it. As it is, it gives the impression that if a hetero male merely compliments a lesbian, she's liable to become violent toward him.

The article is biased, fosters bigotry and fear, and is inaccurate.

[wallwriter]

38. Yeah. No straight white guy would do that (sarcasm)

[Demobrat]

8. Trying not to laugh.

If the situation were reversed and six guys attacked a woman I'd be screaming for blood ... I know that .... but it's hard - so hard ....

[MisoWeaver]

21. That would be considered a hate crime as well wouldn't it?

[Karenca]

74. It's so sick

that you are trying "not to laugh" after someone gets stabbed in their liver..

That is truly sick.

[Deja Q]

12. Even with crimes against women being high,

unless he made an obvious, incontrovertible attempt of aggression upon her, her action was unjustified, malicious, and of course illegal.

Of course, he should't have spat on her - who cares why he chose to.

Or the context of the exchange which led to the spitting and stabbing.

Whatever. People need to grow up.

[LostinVA]

22. He DID legally assualt her n/t

[Karenca]

56. NO HE DID NOT - I WAS THERE -- EOM

[othermeans]

68. Karenca nobody wants to hear what you are saying! I'm surprised no one

wants to hear a first hand account. Could you give me the story? I'd be interested in hearing the straight story. Thanks

[Karenca]

75. I WAS THERE--NO HE DIDN'T.

I was the only one on this thread to witness this...from a few feet away.

You guys will lock anyone up and throw away the key without the benefit of a fair trial.

Damn.

[Selatius]

13. To be fair, both parties committed some wrongs here

He shouldn't have spat on her after she rebuffed him, and she shouldn't have retaliated by sticking him with a knife or encouraged several other lesbians to beat on him. Unless he tried to rape her, there shouldn't be an excuse to perforate somebody's liver.

[LostinVA]

26. I checked your profile, because I figured you were male

Calm down -- I'm not insulting you in any way, I promise. But, there honestly are certain things men never can understand...

I'm not excusing her stabbing him, but I understand it. It can terrifying to have a man approach you and talk to you like that, then spit on you... it IS assault, and things like this do lead to rape. THis dude sounds like a sociopath, and I bet money he would have either beat her or raped her if no one was around. Women can't wait until it gets to "tried to rape her" before doing something to defend themselves. And, who knows what may be in this women's past.

I think he got what he deserved. He should quite verbally sexually assaulting women and spitting on them -- I know in VA and NC, spitting on someone can be considered assault. I don't know in NY.

[Selatius]

35. It is assault under law, I believe.

It's a form of "unwanted touching." I'm talking about spitting, that is.

On the other hand, if she had to send a stern message to stop him, it could've come in the form of a knee to the groin or the intervention of several friends or a combination of both, but it would've been better without the knife.

He may be a bastard, but I don't think it warrants a stabbing. An ass kicking would've been OK in my book if he was bigger than her, but stabbing is a bridge too far.

[Demeter]

54. If she had a gun, he'd be dead

He was in damn too close range, if she was able to connect with a knife.

[Eric J in MN]

39. She has six friends with her and he was alone.

It doesn't seem reasonable for to be terrified.

[Demeter]

65. A SMART Man Would Have Been Polite, if not Terrified

This one wasn't any of the above.

[Karenca]

77. "I think he got what he deserved."

You made so many assumptions in your post.

Please look at my posts on this thread.....The guy was standing in front of the
theater, -- I see him around alot, there's a number of guys along 6th Ave. in the Village
that sell Cds, books, etc. He said something very low under his breath when they walked by...I was only a few feet from him with my dog.

The girls ATTACKED him.

I can't make this any clearer.

[Karenca]

47. I wish someone would read what i

wrote..I saw the whole thing.
They spit on him...they attacked him...they're lying.

[Neoma]

16. I'm sorry, but “a gang of petite but ornery lesbians."?

:rofl:

[Uroboros]

23. I don't know...

..but comments like that are always going to get you stabbed. :)

[Demobrat]

34. I know!

A man was stabbed, even though what he did was dumb and obnoxious he didn't deserve that, but oh...the visuals ...

:rofl:

[Karenca]

58. It wasn't pretty

Nor funny.

I saw it, and I cannot believe this thread.

[LostinVA]

17. Good -- scumbag

[Karenca]

43. I saw it.....

calling him a scumbag is wrong when you have no idea what really happened.

[DemoTex]

20. Sounds like Ray Lee's Bar on Ponce (Atlanta ca. 1968)

It doesn't work to have a Lesbian bar across the street from a draftee induction station (AFEES) during a war. 'Course, Ray Lee's was there first. I learned a lesson about assumptions (the hard way) at Ray Lee's.

[Monkeyman]

25. Bet the replugs use this

[DemoTex]

29. For what?

Please fill in the blank. Thanks!

[Monkeyman]

32. Gays will kill you can you hear it now on Rush and Fox

[Skinner]

31. Um, technically, shouldn't the headline read...

"Man Stabbed After Spitting on Lesbian"? Or "Man Stabbed After Spitting on Woman"?

The way they wrote their headline, it makes it sound like the dude was stabbed for simply making a pass at her -- which would seem to validate homophobia, along with various stereotypes about lesbians.

I'm not in any way condoning stabbing. But I think spitting on someone is much more inflammatory than just hitting on someone.

[DemoTex]

50. Good point ..

But back at Ray Lee's in '68 it was "hitting on", not "spitting on". And the only "stabbin'" was wishful thinking on the male's part. But there were some young draftees that faced the sharp end of a strong woman's knife, when they messed with her girl-friend at Ray Lee's. But never any cutting. That came later .. with the VC and NVA.

My dear Lesbian friends in Atlanta (my age) still laugh about Ray Lee's (and the Druid Hills Country Club, if you know what I mean .. Vern).

[Karenca]

41. That article is so wrong. Saw it myself,

Yeah, he did spit on one of them, but only after they spit on him, smacked him on the face, and then they all (7) attacked/jumped him.

[Eric J in MN]

59. You should contact the police. NT

NT

[Karenca]

73. Of course -- I did that immediately. nt

[TheDebbieDee]

66. Upthread, in post # 47..........

you imply that the stabbing victim didn't spit on anyone at all. You imply that the lesbians ganged up on the victim, spit on HIM , and their version of events was a lie.

So, if the articel posted by the OP is wrong and you witnessed the events, what DID happen?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

42. Isn't spitting on someone considered assault?

I'm not suggesting that more violence is an appropriate response; but it seems to me that HE was the antagonist.

[Karenca]

46. No,,I saw the whole stupid thing.

He wasn't.

[Just a Name]

71. Karenca

Since this forum is retarded and won't let me send a private message (I don't know how many posts I need to make to send one, and I wouldn't hang around in a hate-mongering place like this for any reason), I'd like to thank you, Karenca, for doing the right thing and attempting to set the record straight. Truth is a rare commodity in America lately. As evidenced by a large chunk of people in this thread, reactions are more often the product of personal biases rather than the facts. I hope you'll be able to help bring these vicious attackers to justice. If more people were like you, this country would be a much better place.

For the people in this thread who heap scorn and ridicule on the head of a man who almost died: think hard. What if this had happened to your brother, your father, or your son? Maybe the guy was a creep; maybe he wasn't. I don't know and neither do you. But even if he was, this was NOT justified. People like you make me ashamed to be a Democrat.

I'm out. Don't bother leaving the light on.

[Karenca]

72. Well. either noone sees my posts, or noone

wants to see them.
I'm getting tired of writing over and over.."I was there. I saw it."
This is the last time.....
I was there, I saw it--I am a witness, along with 12-14 other people.

This guy said something very low under his breath as these girls
were walking by......Next thing, they're on top of him
beating the crap out of him...His entire face was scratched and bleeding
and they were kicking him, and then he got stabbed......to his liver.

Why is everyone automatically siding with this gang?...Noone has heard this man's side of the story yet!
I'de think that DU'ers would be al bit more enlightened than to
believe immediately everything they read in the media.

[readmoreoften]

81. Spitting on someone is assault by bodily fluid under the law.

Just like pissing on someone. Yes, she was wrong. But I can't say I care too much.

[rusty charly]

45. NY Daily News:

An oxygen tube pumping air into his lungs, the 28-year-old man allegedly beaten and stabbed in the West Village by a gang of petite lesbians described the attack yesterday from his hospital bed.

"They hated men," Wayne Buckle said from the intensive care unit of Saint Vincent's Hospital Manhattan. "I think it would have been any man and not just me."

Still shaken by Friday's terrifying assault, Buckle, an independent filmmaker from Queens, said he felt he was the victim of a bias attack.

"It was a hate crime against a straight man by a ton of lesbians," he said. "This is what the world is coming to."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/445121p-374817c.html

[Demeter]

57. Spin, Spin Spin, Wayne

Too stupid to know when he's crossed the line---or to even recognise one.

[rusty charly]

63. favorite quote:

"All I said was, 'Excuse me, how are you doing?' like a gentleman," he said.

why don't i believe this is the way it went down?

[DemoTex]

61. Lessons Learned: Keep 'em guessing on "where"!

Lest it end up in the State & Country Forum/NY. What a hoot!

[Demeter]

62. Seems Like a Bit of Cowardice On the Part of the Moderators, No?

The War Between the Sexes is going into extra innings, with new teams joining the field. It's the stupidity and the patriarchy on the part of the male that I object to. If he's from Queens, he doesn't have the country hayseed defense, even.

[DemoTex]

64. A learned "No Comment" on that ..

But Allison Lurie's pop '60s novel comes to mind: The War Between the Tates. Same shit, if you know what I mean.

[Smarmie Doofus]

69. Odd cause-effect implication of headline.

Never approach a lesbian... you might get stabbed.

On second thought, not so odd after all; that's probably how a lot of people will perceive it.

It never ends.

[Javaman]

70. Call me crazy, and I'm not defending the guy here at all, but

spitting, last time I checked, wasn't a form of deadly intent. Sticking someone or even threatening someone with a knife is.

Having grown up in NYC my whole life, believe me, there anyone of a number of imbeciles like this guy, however, if someone clammed on me, I wouldn't knife him, I beat the crap out of him. Given this guy was by himself and this woman had 5 other friends, I think a beating would have done the trick.

but like cop once told me, if you get into a fight that someone else provoked and was unarmed and if you respond in like, it will usually get dismissed unless someone get major damage, but as soon as soon as you use a weapon, be it a garbage can lid, a steel bar, a bat, a knife, a gun, etc, you lose. then it becomes armed assault that could lead to other charges.

She needless to say, she over reacted and did something incredibly stupid. And as a result, will go to prison.

What gets me is this line, "and denied the women attacked Buckle." So how did he end up with a knife in the ribs? Magic?

[TreasonousBastard]

79. As usual, half the people posting here...

throw out opinions without bothering to read either the article linked to or any of the other posts.

Karenca claims to be a witness to the event, but hardly anyone seems to care what she says.

The entire gang of alleged lesbians (we don't know if they really are-- just that they used that as an excuse for mauling and stabbing him) was arrested, and that seems to mean something.

Me, I make no judgments except that from the known facts, stabbing and beating is an inappropriate response to slurs and spitting.

And, having lived next to Newark for 10 years and spending a lot of time in Newark, I know well the type of violence that is common there. Quite a few women are as violent and hairtrigger as many of the men, and I have seen some pretty brutal fights between women there. Best to wait until more details come out, and some people might be very surprised.

[orpupilofnature57]

92. Newark , is a scary place, God bless all who dwell there.