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Thom Little Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:56 AM
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St. Louis is 3rd most dangerous city, study says
By Tim Rowden
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Sunday, Nov. 20, 2005


St. Louis isn't the most dangerous city in which you can live, but it's close, according to a report released today by a private research firm.

The city ranks third in "City Crime Rankings," an annual report published by Morgan Quitno Press of Lawrence, Kan. St. Louis trails Detroit in the No. 2 spot and Camden, N.J., which was named the most dangerous city for the second year in a row.

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Morgan Quitno's assessment is based on a given city's rates last year in six crime categories: murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary and auto theft, as reported to the FBI. The firm scores cities against national averages in each category and adds the scores, weighing each crime the same.



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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:40 AM
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1. a bit misleading
as they only count St Louis City, and not St Louis County (which is a separate county). If they included the entire metro area, the ranking would be much lower.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:47 PM
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2. Well that would be true of any metro area
Since St. Louis (and every city, for that matter) has a separate police force and separate government, it makes perfect sense that only the city is considered for this ranking.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:30 AM
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3. St Louis city is a separate county from St Louis County
bizarre, yes. They made the city a separate county many years ago for some reason, I think it was money related. But it meant the city could no longer grow, and we ended up with tons of small 'cities' which in any other area would have been annexed and made part of the main city.

If St Louis had not done that, and been allowed to annex, we would have a population of close to 2 million. Instead, its 'officially' around 350,000.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:37 PM
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5. Lots and lots of cities are 'locked in'
And we have lots of small 'cities' in the KC area also.

St. Louis is not alone or unique.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:22 AM
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4. yes, but the way St. Louis has developed
the city has much less in the way of population and area than most equivalent metropolitan areas. This leads to a higher per-capita crime rate, as the majority of the crime is in the city, but the majority of the metropolitan population is outside the city.

It would be much more fair to St. Louis to compare crime rates in metropolitan areas rather than only within city boundaries.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:45 PM
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6. I don't agree with that at all
Because the same is true here in KC. And metro St. Louis is bigger. Those magical boundary lines between cities don't cause criminals to go back to the city and commit their crimes there.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:05 PM
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9. no...they don't
but the crime rate in St. Louis is higher within the city limits.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:54 PM
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10. It's higher in KC too
than in any of the surrounding cities.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:06 PM
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7. Its very odd in some places
you can cross the street and literally be in a different city.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:41 PM
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8. I can do that where I live too
I live across the street from one city and two blocks away from another.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:11 AM
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11. Do you change counties at the same time?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:20 PM
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12. No
but the county line isn't far away.
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