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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:41 PM
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Lamont is BLOWING this!!!!
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 01:42 PM by jackbourassa
I am becoming increasingly frustrated by the Lamont campaign.

The truth is that this would be an easy election for him to win. But he is not doing a really good job at this point. We seem to be moving backwards since the primary. This would be a huge disaster for all of us if Lieberman were to lose. It would be an invitation for all DLC-type Democrats, incumbants or not, to run as independents if they should lose their respective primary elections.

The television ad that I saw for Lamont left a lot to be desired. We need less art and MORE TEETH!!! Lamont has to explain to Conneticut voters why he should win over Lieberman. Small campaign events with celebrities won't do. The guy has money, he should be BOMBARDING the airwaves. He should explain that VOTING FOR HIM is a VOTE FOR A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY. It would represent a VOTE FOR CHANGE. Supporting Lieberman, on the other hand, is a VOTE FOR THE STATUS QUO.

He should be HIGHLIGHTING the fact that he is A DEMOCRAT!

He should be organizing the anti-war Democrats, independents, and Republicans to support him.

There are so many things he should be doing and is not. There's only two months left in the race and he's trailing by DOUBLE-DIGITS!

Everytime I hear anything about this race, it's usually something Lieberman is saying or doing. Lieberman is controlling the message completely in this race. Lieberman is on the air. Lieberman has Bloomberg stumping for him, while Lamont has Moby! This is so ridiculous that it's becoming embarrassing.

He has to get things moving here!!! And quickly!!!
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 04:59 PM
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1. I like the new commercial
I seen it a few days ago on the teevee.

LIEberman may have all the attention, but he is more or less whining about this or that. Let more people see the sore loser and we'll be all right.
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 05:57 PM
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2. I'm not buying it!
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 05:59 PM by jackbourassa
Lieberman is currently up by 13% (51% to 38%) according to Survey USA. His numbers are improving, Lamont's are going down.

That's not a good sign with less than two months to go.

There are too many people "whistling past the graveyard" here. You keep saying, "oh don't worry...Lieberman will self-destruct" or this and that, but what if that doesn't happen?

This race is slipping away...quickly.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:22 PM
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3. According to new Zogby poll, Lamont has pulled within the margin of error
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 08:23 PM by Finnfan
Lieberman 45%
Lamont 42.5%

Lamont has just begun his campaign for the general. I was at a volunteer meeting last week that was PACKED. I think it's way, WAY too early to start second-quessing and/or throwing yourself off bridges.

On edit: Do you live in CT? If so, use your obvious energy and HELP!
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:18 PM
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4. Are we running a campaign of wishful thinking in CT?
Jesus, the Zogby Interactive Poll??? Those are SO terribly unrealiable. No one takes them seriously. Alright, let's continue sticking our head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong. Maybe that will work.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:23 PM
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6. The Norwalk office is opening tomorrow
I just received a call inviting me to the Grand Opening.

They moved it from another location, which is probably why they haven't done much since the primary.

It was an incredibly active office during the Primary Campaign, and I expect it to be at least as active, if not more, during the Election Campaign.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 08:32 PM
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14. It's Zogby & the Wall St Journal
so, it's a reputable poll.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:15 PM
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5. Have you attended a volunteer meeting yet?
I was at Willimantic's on Saturday.

The new ad is very good and Lamont is still running the Katrina and his students ads which are very good.

The Lamont campaign is probably restaffing. There were new staffers at the Willimantic meeting, so maybe the "hesitation" has to do with restaffing the campaign.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 11:07 AM
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28. We were there, too, Larkspur!
There was down time and restaffing for sure, and the ball's getting rolling now. The kind of negative energy coming from the OP makes me very frustrated!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 11:01 PM
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7. Remember Lamont has some real power behind him.
I think that Kos said it well. He has gotten some big names from Hilary and Reid, and he has to keep Swan and the others as well. Almost a wealth of riches. I don't know about Cutter, but I hear Wolfson is very good. Give it time. Too many people are posting today that Lieberman is going to win....I don't think so. Not in the long run.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/25/145140/089

Fri Aug 25, 2006 at 02:51:40 PM EDT
Today, Hillary Clinton lent Ned Lamont one of her top consultants, Howard Wolfson.

"But two weeks ago, under the radar, Harry Reid did the same. Stephanie Cutter, a key member of Reid's vaunted war room, has been in Connecticut for the last week and plans on helping out through November. She worked as Deputy Communications Director in the Clinton White House, communications director at the DNC in 2003, and communications director for John Kerry (after the late-2003 staff purge which revived his primary campaign).

It's clear that while their words may seem cautious, some key Democrats are lending more than moral support to the Lamont effort.

And while Lieberman struggles to put up even the most rudimentary website, Lamont's team is bulking up with some heavyweights.

Of course, all that is only fine and good as long as Tom Swan keeps the DC crowd in line. Lamont didn't win the primary by following the DC script, but because he tossed it aside.

Let's all hope that doesn't change."

And also we know Howard Dean is helping, he said so. And Jim Dean and DFA are busy workers as well.

Lieberman is making a lot of people angry with his snotty attitude.



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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:54 AM
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8. Again, wishful thinking...
Reid and Clinton don't want to upset the bloggers and the rank-and-file. They offer tepid support. When I see Reid declare that Lieberman will not maintain his committee assignments, and Clinton come out and campaign hard for Lamont I won't believe it.

It's this kind of wishful thinking (and not enough work on the ground and on the air) that makes me so nervous.

What we have to do is UNITE the Democratic base and make an appeal to independents. That's it. That's why this race is so winnable. I don't see anything like that being done. A united party is always the first thing you do. Yet here we are half way through September and THERE ARE STILL NO PLANS!!!!

This is why I think Lamont is running a terrible campaign. What will we hold a UNITY dinner a week or two before the election?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:03 PM
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9. Well, I'm going to be calling Independents for Lamont
I'm just a foot soldier, but I am devoting time each week leading up to the Election to call for Lamont. There's a lot of work to be done.

I will not waste my time wringing my hands. And I won't be sitting on them either.
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:14 PM
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10. We'll Lieberdick has a 20 point lead among indy's...
Maybe we should get out our magic wands. That might help.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:31 PM
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12. What is your point, please?
I am working for Ned Lamont. I knew the realities going in. It was an uphill battle. I chose to do it. No magic wand, buddy. Just hard work. Don't you get it?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:53 PM
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11. Less than 2 months to go, the planning should be over.
Now is the time for acting. Saying it is too early to make predictions really is not true. We have less than 2 months to go. The predictions seem to be Lieberman by 10%. I agree that interactive polls are meaningless. If so, frankly, that hurdle is insurmountable at this point. People generally do not change their minds once made up. The real question right now is whether or not Lieberman will causcus with the Ds or Rs. If Lamont is not viable, we should stop screwing around and back Lieberman so he stays on the left side of the chamber and so not hand control of the Senate back to the Rs.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 07:38 PM
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13. "stay on the left side". Oh please. No fight in you obviously.
OK, you give up, sit back and carp at those of us who are still at it for change. Thanks a bunch! Hey, if it weren't for us, there wouldn't even be a question in Lieberman's mind. We certainly put it there.

You're welcome.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:48 AM
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15. Crow when you've won.
Anyway, here in Ohio we have problems of our own.

In a way, you are right. After the collosal effort in '04, I resolved not to do that again. A friend of mine said he remembered waiting for the election results in 1972. I am not going to tilt at windmills until I'm old when it won't make any difference in the end. Somehow, I managed to get sucked in again. Maybe it is because we might actually win this time. After than, I'm done. I'm sick of it in ways that are too numerous to list here.

At any rate, don't confuse a respect for reality with cowardice. Whatever "fight" I have has no bearing on Lamont's chances. He not only needs to get his act together, he needs to have done it a month ago.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:01 AM
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16. It's your choice not to fight. But please spare those of us who
have made our choice to fight the lecture. What are you accomplishing by trying to tear us down? Don't you think we know what is going on? You do not live in CT. I do. I mourn what happened in Ohio, but this is my state and I breathe different political air than you.

You have a perfect right to your opinion, of course. I just don't like whining.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:36 AM
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17. Your ears must be pretty good to hear whining over the internet.
What I don't like (since we are discussing personal preferences) are partisans who start a fight without the means or savoir fare to finish it. There is an old expression: if you want to kill the king, make sure you do not merely wound him. If you think Lieberman was a problem before, wait until he caucuses with the Rs. The message the day of the primary election was, "Collaborate with the Rs and lose your nomination." If Lamont loses it will be "All the base can do is shoot themselves in the foot." He needs to get his ass in gear and there hardly any time to do it.

As I said, I am fighting. That is different than tilting at windmills. We might win here too. Sherrod is polling ahead of DeWine, but not by huge amounts. Of course here it is not enough to be ahead by 2% on election day. Anything under 5% can be stopped by the malfeasance of the secretary of the state. It will not be a real victory in any case unless at least one house goes to the Ds.

By the way, I don't need you to tell me I have a right to my opinion.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:58 AM
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18. Looks like the Lieber-trolls are out in force employing the Rovian scare
tactics.

If you are complaining about the Lamont campaign but are not volunteering time to help the campaign, than you are either lazy or a Lieber-troll.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:02 AM
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19. Wrong. False dilemma. That's a Rovian tactic.
I live in OH and am working on local govt. races. The clerk of court race is really heating up.
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:00 AM
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21. Indeed, good morning,
It is somewhat confusing in what Mr. Lamont may be indicating of his call to arms (We need more teeth and less art.) Now givin that Lieberman party and Lieberman himself are without a doubt strapped for slogans,or words-, and further to no doubt Bull moose Lieberman moreso likely in denial about his loss,- I should think that this early on in the race ,-Mr. Lamont can afford to be somewhat less than sure footed.

As it is, a practical political strategy is no doubt in the process of being born.
Given, the bull moose party or the party of Lieberman is now a fact to be more than just considered.

Here there is a greater problem, (party split) and republican cross votes.

If Mr. Lamont is to gain footing ,and indeed he really must, than he also must choose his words in a far more positive mannor of speaking.

More teeth and less art,- This is a non sensechal statement in of itself.
Or and indeed, what is the art of politics.
What is art for life,
And what is art and science.

Such a statement would be expected by Lieberman, in that it is nonsensechal.
Or is Mr. Lamont talking about true grit? We just don,t need any more cowboys these days, We have had enough with all that.

To Mr. Lamont, you are wrong. What we need more of, and furthermore what there is never enough of is TRUE ART.

You may start there, all is forgivin.

We all make mistakes and are far from perfect of faultless
But this country cannot be what it can be
And thats do
Not just for itself
But for all
Unless
We Make It Happen.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:44 AM
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20. Now, now, don't get all mad.
I am sure you also don't need me to tell you that you will be more productive working for your candidate in Ohio than coming on our state's forum, picking a fight and demeaning our official Democratic candidate for Senate. Get busy in Ohio.



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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:07 AM
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22. "Get busy in Ohio"
Gee, why didn't I think of that? :eyes:

Someone else started this thread, so I am hardly picking a fight.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:46 PM
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23. Va bene, va bene, Deep 13 n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:11 PM
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24. ???????????????????
Bene

\Bene\, Ben \Ben\, n. (Zo<"o>l.) A hoglike mammal of New Guinea.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:56 PM
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25. No, it's Italian.
Literally, it means "you go well." I've heard it used to tamp down an argument, kind of like the American idiom "whatever!" but without the edge. More like a simple "OK" and slight shrug, ending on a neutral, not unpleasant, note.

I wish you well, Deep 13.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:00 PM
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26. Good luck. I still hope Ned pulls it off.
Maybe a lopsided turn-out will do it. If so and if Chafee gets fired, We might actually take the Senate with a one-vote majority.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:12 PM
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27. That's a tall order.
I'm pulling for Sherrod, just so you know.
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