Does anyone think there could have been

[hippiegranny]

any irregularities here in AZ? I mailed my ballot, I wonder if it got counted. How do we look into the results in way that is meaningful to the cause of election fraud?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Well they closed the polls and Sheriff Joe called out the helicopters

on people who hadn't yet voted who had waited for hours...remember that story from election night?

[City Lights]

2. I've wondered the same thing, hippiegranny.

I've tried looking at the numbers, but the SOS site only lists them by county. It's very cumbersome to try to break them down into precincts.

I voted by absentee and was surprised to see two sets of instructions in the envelope. The little insert said to use a No. 2 pencil, but the ballot itself said to use a black ball point pen. Did you notice that?

I also changed my mind about one of the judges and wanted a new ballot, so I took the spoiled one to an early voting place where I exchanged it. I filled out the new one and turned it in there. The thing I noticed is that the pen they had in the booth was felt tip, and running low on ink. Why are they providing felt tip pens when the ballot instructions say to use a ball point? Maybe it's nothing, but you think they could at least have uniform instructions.

[blondeatlast]

3. I noticed that as well about the mail-in ballot.

It does make me nervous, but I don't think it would have made any difference.

[NoodleBoy]

4. Provisional ballots were supposed to have been counted Nov. 12th

heard it on NPR, didn't hear the outcome of it-- they said the number of provs. wasn't large enough to swing any of the races, if I remember right.

[AgadorSparticus]

5. they told me to walk mine down to either the dem HQ or to the recorder

office. I did the latter. They had a metal box there. But even so, I didn't get a receipt or anything. I still wonder about my ballot. If I had not xeroxed my ballot, I have no tangible proof of any kind that I even voted. That does not sit well with me.

[AgadorSparticus]

6. and when they report Pima Co. as close as they did, it REALLY

raises red flags for me. here is a link to the county website with results:

http://www.co.pima.az.us/elections/results.htm

KERRY, JOHN DEM 95090 91914 6124 193128 52.55%
BUSH, GEORGE REP 87424 78837 4848 171109 46.56%
BADNARIK, MICHAEL LBT 1205 840 64 2109 0.57%
Write-in Votes 661 457 28 1146 0.31%

[City Lights]

7. Bev Harris' group is looking into Pima County.

Any idea what could have happened?

I was surprised that ** beat Kerry by 10 points. I was expecting it to be closer.

[AgadorSparticus]

8. i have no idea because i voted very early. right before the election,

i had a death in the family and was dealing with my own grief. i did not do any volunteering as originally planned. it's been a rough month. but now, i can ask around. maybe someone has heard something....

[City Lights]

9. Losing a loved one is difficult. You have my sympathies.

May you find comfort in loved ones around you. I lost my mom in December of 1997. The holidays were rough that year. My dad, sisters, and our husbands and kids spent a lot of time together that year. It was too painful to be away from each other.

Peace,
No Surrender.

[AgadorSparticus]

21. thank you for your kind words. it means alot.

:hugs:

[indy_azcat]

13. especially when it's a GEMS report n/t

[lies and propaganda]

10. Unfortunately.....

I think our state turned out just the way it was recorded. We have a lot to worry about with our state level politicians. I feel like it is time to get the hell out of dodge.

I live in Tempe and the long lines at polling places around ASU were such a powerful sight. But such things dont matter when you are brazen enough to have the voting machine manufacturer in your pocket.

"Hiding things in plain sight."

[hippiegranny]

12. I'm starting to feel the same way that you do...

alas. I love AZ for many things, but the political climate isn't one of them. I'd really love to find a blue state to call home.

[dorktv]

20. Did you vote for me?

if so :hug:

[Kali]

11. How they do recounts in Arizona

We use the optical scan machines - where you mark the little ovals and the machine reads the paper - you would think "oh, Ok then they can check the paper against the machine" Nope, according to a reliable source I know (attorney - works on these issues) the way you do a recount in Arizona - providing you can even get one done (very tight race requirement) the ballots are simply RUN THROUGH THE MACHINE AGAIN!!! That's right, not a hand count or comparison, they run the stack of ballots through the machine again.

[indy_azcat]

14. it's only auto by margin

from: http://www.electionline.org/site/docs/html/recount_provisions_-_part_1.htm

No requests for recounts - although if fraud were proven...?

[Kali]

15. exactly - court

and very hard to prove a case.

[aikanae]

16. just "NO"? doesn't bbv have something in Pima co?

[Is It Fascism Yet]

18. we really deserve better than this in the land of the used to be free

[Is It Fascism Yet]

17. Sure do think so

I think it's damned unfair to announce to the media that AZ went Shrub before counting the paper mail ballots, but I know they did because I called that Biotch Jan Brewer who pretends to be the secretary of state everyday to ask her if she had counted my vote. This public servant is too good to talk to the voters on the phone, filled with the self importance of most Shrub minions, but her office was still telling me every day for a week that they had still not counted the mail ballots. When these bastards lie and defraud regularly. We haven't had a legal election in 8 years. I wonder if we ever will again?

[hippiegranny]

19. this is interesting because

Arizona was heavily targeted by Move-On and other GOTV orgs to urge Dems to mail in their ballots. I was approached at the GOTV Tracey Chapman concert on 10/1 in Tempe. At the time I resisted, but then I kept hearing it was the way to go. Now I wish I hadn't. If mail-ins were mostly from Dem voters, then I think AZ may have had quite a different outcome than what was reported. How do we get final tallies?