We're Famous! WorldNetDaily attacks Dems and DU for skewing online polls

[Skinner]

Democrats skewing online polls?
Net users wonder why pro-Edwards responses so numerous

Posted: October 6, 2004
1:24 p.m. Eastern

Democrats are fraudulently skewing online polls asking about last night's vice presidential debate to favor Sen. John Edwards – at least that's the contention of several Net users who have pointed out strangely lopsided results in various surveys.

"You have either been hacked or the DNC (Democratic National Committee) gremlins are at it big time," one reader wrote to WorldNetDaily about the newssite's poll, pointing out that 2,000 votes were added to three separate pro-Edwards responses "in the middle of the night." WND's poll asking who won the vice presidential debate went live at 1 a.m. Eastern.

(snip)

A posted named "Skinner" on the Democratic site democraticunderground.com posted links to dozens of online polls, encouraging readers to vote for Edwards.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40788

LOL

[blondeatlast]

1. Take a bow, chihuahua boy!

I love it, I LOVE it!

(love those little critters, too)

[Nlighten1]

2. No mention of the email repubs sent out?

Shame, shame, shame...they tried the same thing...didn't work.


boo hoo

[Borgnine]

87. Hah.

I love that GIF of *

[lefty_WOHM]

134. Maybe, but there was a story on NPR about the Repubs

DH was telling me about it. He said, "On NPR they were saying the Repubs sent e-mails out telling people to vote in the online polls BEFORE the debate!" I said, "Uh, the Dems did the same thing." He said, "Oh, they didn't mention that." LOL!

[mindfulNJ]

3. so what?

Are we not citizens with our own opinions? I don't recall Skinner ever telling us who we should vote for anyway.

[Kingshakabobo]

4. " a posted " ?? Do they have an editor? n/t

[WillyT]

16. Editor ??? - Hell, Do They Even Have An Education ???

"A posted named Skinner..."

ROFLMAO!!!

:evilgrin:

[eleny]

5. A Dem on a Dem site asking the Dems to vote Dem

[Kierkegaard]

122. The only reason we outpolled them:

they were slowed down by the mandatory waiting period imposed when signing their loyalty oaths.

[snowbear]

6. lol..

Why didn't they mention that Bush's campaign advisors put ALL of the links to every on-line poll available?

CNN even had a story about how they (Republicans) planned to hit the internet polls hard.

They didn't mention it... Because they are "World Net Daily" x( (Who by the way, REPUBLICAN pollster, Scott Rasmussen, works for)

[Democrat 4 Ever]

24. Don't know if it has been mentioned anywhere else on DU

but not only did the repugs do the same thing - they stole the list from DU. The GOP, also, drew up a list of talking points for all their front men to hit with the media after the debates. Nothing like conformity when it comes to talking to news people. (Individuality must be frowned upon by the repugs - that or they need Cliff Notes to know what the heck they stand for this week.) Only one small problem, per The Washington Post, the GOP sent the email and the talking points to all of the media and not just the talking heads for the party. Oops, they didn't mean to do that. They wanted their people to sound spontaneous.

The GOP just can't get the hang of this new Internet thingy, can they?

[Skinner]

7. BTW: There's a thread on FR about this article

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1237294/posts

[David Zephyr]

10. Skinner, You Are Famous Now.

Andy Warhol, get a load of Skinner.

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. "Vote fraud is my biggest fear..." heheheh

Imagine that coming out of a freeper....:hi:

[Carla in Ca]

29. LOL..." I thought only we did that" very funny!

n/t

[stevedeshazer]

38. And a hilarious one at that

Quotes:

"I thought only we did that!!"

"No, this is referring to perl scripts. It votes 100's, if not 1000's at a time. I asked about this today on a few threads and in FR mail. I did some searching last night after looking at the polls and found some comments on Du-type threads of where they talk about it."

"I think the Dems are voting on a poll, exiting, then going to their internet properties and dumping cookies (or whatever you call it), then returning to the polls over and over, repeating the same process. At least that's what someone said. Don't know whether they knew what they were talking about. If so, the Dems are cheating. Maybe someone knows."

"Pardon G.W. for HAVING THE REST OF THE WORLD on his mind the other night. You could see in his face he was thinking "why do I have to be here listening to this p#@&y when I have the free world to run?"

"We invented it. But it's only bad when dems do it."
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I "dumped my cookies" just reading this.

[LTR]

76. Ironic they criticize us

They actually tried to post the whole list over there, demanding it be freeped:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x989855

[Hello_Kitty]

86. Even if every single person on DU voted on these polls

That would not explain the results. Look at the NUMBERS! Get over it, freepers, we have the people on our side!

[matt2050]

133. is it me

Or is that site really weak. I don't just mean the level of discourse, but that a third grader could write a better site than that. I lurk over there from time to time for shits and grins but having been here and a few other sites of similar caliber i find the freepers site to be just bad. No logical user interface no bells, no whistles, no fun. No wonder they are all repressed and angry.

[Chichiri]

8. It's only fraudulent if you're hacking the polls or...

...otherwise getting around their built-in restrictions. There's no fraud in letting a large number of people know of the polls' existence.

Also, the RNC has been encouraging Republicans on the Internet to do the exact same thing. They have, or can easily obtain, the same lists we have. So if the polls are heavily slanted in favor of the Democrats, it's beacuse the Democrats are better. Plain and simple.

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. Again, the silent majority speaks out...and the vociferous (note the

correct usage of the term Mr. Bush) but few of the wacky right are angry. Awwww. Shame.

[ibegurpard]

11. Where was the outrage when the freepers ruled the net?

Give me a fucking break! This kind of stuff is just PROOF of conservative media bias.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. WorldNetDaily calling someone else a fraud

priceless.

Oh and note to Skinner: The finger emoticon would have come in handy on this thread as we know they will read it :D

[GDoyle]

14. Umm.

That would be World NUT Daily....

GDoyle

[classof56]

106. Good one! And welcome to DU!

Keep hanging in there and help us DEFEAT BUSH!!

[Maestro]

15. Why is it skewing polls

when all we are doing is showing our support for our candidate? I thought that was the reason for polls. It's not like I am clearing my cookies and cache and all that jazz and then voting twice in the same poll, except if it is CNN and the poll is repeatedly erased.

[Rose Siding]

37. They seem to think we have a magic way of voting in all the polls at once

according to the freep thread Skinner posted :shrug:

The "Hate Mailbag" is going to be FUN this month :bounce:

[Generic Other]

136. Hey, don't we? Didn't Skinner tell ya the magic formula?

You kick your heels together and ya chant "FOUR MORE WEEKS."

Makes them poll numbers go nuts!

[txindy]

48. Exactly right

We have one vote per poll and we use it. The funny thing is, there is no way that we make up the number of responders to these polls. It's also the general public who is voting this way, not just us. There are over 2.2 MILLION voters on the MSNBC poll and JE is winning with 59% of the vote there. Who exactly is it that they think is doing that? :shrug:

[wildflower]

50. Yes, I've been thinking this too. DU and the Kerry media corps can

only account for so much.

-Assuming some of both dems and repubs know how to do the cookie thing, the perl script thing, etc.,

AND

-the voters in America really are tied on their candidate preference

AND

-the republican forums got ahold of the same list that Skinner worked so hard to put out for us (thank you Skinner!)

then why are the on-line polls showing millions of voters skewed to Edwards?

Are more dems on-line than repubs? I don't think that's true either.

And look what happened with the CNN on-line poll being put out three separate times and still getting essentially the same result.

So this may be revealing...

-wildflower

[txindy]

65. I have a very strong suspicion

that this election's 'hidden' voters, the newly-registered who do not have land-line phones (only cellular) and are unpolled by the major polling cos., may be the answer. The age group, approx. 18-25, plus the cellular phone connection means, IMHO, that these people are almost certainly on-line. Who would respond to on-line polls then? Hmmmm....

If you look at the results of some of the smaller polls that Skinner listed (local media outlets), the total voters number in the low 1000s. Usually less than 2,000. Definitely not in the 10,000s or 100,000s, let alone millions, that the major news outlets are pulling in. That's not just us. That's the general public.

I don't think the election is going to be all that close. Not unless it is blatantly thrown. Not that we would know of anyone who would do such a terrible thing **cough, Jeb, cough**. ;)

[Jasper 91]

141. Lol , I totally agree

I've been worried about Jeb too , along with Glenda Hood , Ken Blackwell and Walden O'Dell the Republican owner of Diebold who promised to deliver Ohio to Bush .

But I'm consoling myself that the 'fix' may not be in , otherwise the Repugs wouldn't be appearing so desperate and nasty .:think:

[jwirr]

112. Oh but don't you

remember? We Democrats are not supposed to have some of our votes. They are actively trying to suppress them all over, including in polls.

[spooky3]

17. dammit, Skinner, if you hadn't done that, I would have voted for Cheney.

He did SUCH a great job last night.

[AnIndependentTexan]

18. Why is it we are the trouble makers yet freepers were doing this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=975553&mesg_id=975553&page=

[Il_Coniglietto]

19. Sorry, we didn't know Democrats weren't allowed to vote

Our bad :eyes:

[Indie Media Magazine]

20. :bow:

that was beautiful work! you forced CNN to reset their stupid poll 3 times!

[MoonRiver]

21. Lol, it's always the DEMOCRATS' FAULT!

What happened to the Republican mantra about personal responsibility???

[Endangered Specie]

22. Wow Skinner, they have demoted you from "ADMIN" to "poster"

ouch lol ;)

[Skinner]

25. Not even "poster"

According to WND, I'm a "posted." :wtf:

[incapsulated]

30. Is that like "postal"? :o) n/t

[Barad Simith]

47. Can we call you that now? "Posted"? (nt)

[Barad Simith]

64. Or maybe "POSted"? (nt)

[vetwife]

54. Hey Posted Skinner LOL Congrats. Some of these folks don't know

just how dedicated we are ! Posted.....They are all out of touch or touched one !

[incapsulated]

23. Damn that "Skinner" fellow!

When did those commies learn to post links?! We're doooommed!

[Spiffarino]

26. Waaahhhh...wahhhhhh!!!!

Awww, does it hurt when it's your turn to get smacked?

Sorry, bitches.

[mzmolly]

27. * Good job Skinner *

:toast:

[bigbubbabill]

28. That's crazty stuff. WTF

[Lefty48197]

31. I always knew that Skinner was trouble.

.

[0rganism]

32. What a bunch of whiners!

"Gee, I'm sorry I voted in your poll, mister. Maybe next time you can tweak the online poll to make sure only referrals from freeperville get counted? Too bad, so sad."

[Doosh]

33. I'm a proud DU "gremlin"

besides, most of those online polls had more than 100,000 responses, there is no way we could hit a hundred polls like that, that late in the night. The majority of non-duers were voting, and they thought Edwards won as well.

[Leilani]

34. Congrats Skinner!!!

But I will REALLY be impressed by your celebrity if you make it to NEWSMAX!!

They are the true pinnacle of news & information!!!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

35. OMG

this whole freaking thread made me laugh so hard my stomach hurts.

Skinner is a POSTED? Who knew? Is that like a Post-It note? Or a Post Toastie, only a Posted?

Those crazy nuts at world net daily. No seriously, they are crazy!

[seraph]

36. WOO-HOO! Way to go Skinner! (nt)

[swag]

39. On-line polls are a sacrament!

How dare DUers profane them by participating in them!

[AnIndependentTexan]

40. BTW you do know now freepers will be lazy and just come to you for polls

Then they will complain we out voted them and thats not fair cause they aren't suppose to vote.

[Ducks In A Row]

41. Oh we are so bad...

now when does Whoopi get her apology from the networks for them bowing to gop cordinated pressure.

[Vincardog]

42. Did they stop to think that maybe 83% really think The Shrub is history?

Paula Zahn just announced the results of another Skewed poll. It has to be fake because it does not match their Republican Biased polls Don't ya know? Cheers Skinner :toast: :eyes: :nopity: :wow:

[Maiden England]

43. posted....

so that would be what you were if were a poster that played the debate drinking game.....
Man I blew that when I snorted my first beer trying to keep up with the number of 'terras' in Dickwads first answer.

Note to the World Net illiterates - sober up before posting material to world scrutiny, oh and check your facts too, I hear factcheck.com is very useful these days....

[AuntPatsy]

44. You do realize that not only have you obtained celebrity status

practicaly overnight, but they have also inadvertenly gave this site free advertising, I only happened upon the address for this site on believe it or not a right winged one. And as far as the polling, well they didn't get even half of Americans that are indeed in favor of Kerry Edwards in my opinion. '

Perhaps with this free advertisement, the future of such polls will undoubtly climb even higher in Kerry Edwards Favor...way cool!

Congrats Skinner...

[MazeRat7]

45. Ok everyone... GIve me my "Spam Bots" back before we get in trouble. (n/t)

[JerseygirlCT]

46. So funny... if this had gone the other way, all their talk would have been

about the "voice of the people" or the like...

We're fraudulent, however.

[Kadie]

49. Congratulations Skinner! By the way, did you see this?

I posted this earlier, thought it was kind of interesting.

The Scientific Value of Unscientific Polls
10.05.04

As I write, we await the start of the vice-presidential debate between Dick Cheney and John Edwards. Word has leaked out that the Bush campaign has issued orders for its troops to hit the Internet (and other media) full blast after this one. Apparently they believe they were outworked last time, allowing Kerry’s folks to control the post debate spin. Not this time! The GOP faithful have their orders -- send letters to the editors, call opinion lines, jump onto the online chat boards and, neither last nor least, hammer the unscientific Internet polls.

Not to be outdone, the Democrats have also sprung into action. Over at the Democratic Underground, for example, the administrators have posted a thread with direct links to more than 60 online polls. Charge!

This is nothing new, of course, to anyone who spends any time at all at partisan discussion boards. One of the most common topics at these places is this or that online poll that needs to be hammered by the faithful.

All of which raises an interesting point. I’ve always laughed off these "unscientific polls" as, well, unscientific. But maybe that’s not true anymore. Maybe in today’s Internet world unscientific polls have scientific value -- not in judging public opinion -- but in judging organizational strength. Who knows? Maybe the side that can best hammer the polls, is the same side that can best hit the ground running on election day to get out their vote.

more...
http://www.poppolitics.com/

[bloom]

55. that is an interesting take on it...

I noticed on CNN earlier that they mentioned the ABC poll results and CBS (I think) and didn't mention their own. Sounded like they wanted to make it sound like a "draw".

[Vincardog]

61. Great post lets hope it is true

[Skinner]

89. I didn't see that.

Thanks for posting. Great article. :thumbsup:

[Skinner]

90. I kicked your thread.

:thumbsup:

[Tsiyu]

113. Very Nice Kadie!

To all the frothing freepers- we only voted in about 10 of the online polls ( if you don't want people voting, why have a poll? DUUUUUHHHHH!!!) We voted once per poll, leaving scores of sites untouched. ( It was late, we were tired.)

WE voted on about 20 after the Kerry Debate.

This is so typical of those whiners! They can NEVER admit defeat; these are the Dads and Moms at the Little League games, screaming at their five-year-old kids and vexing the coaches and the umps.

Rather than looking at themselves to see why they are failing, "WooWooo! Chugga Chugga Chugga Chugga....Here comes the Excuse Train!!!!!!!!!!All Freepers and Morans ABOOOOOARD!!!!!!!"

[Joe Turner]

51. What's funny about this is

that Free Republic has a significantly larger membership than DU. Also, Freepers were the first to engage in the practice of overwhelming polls by encouraging members to vote as many times as they can. This was quite apparent in 2000 as they pushed one online poll after another George Bush's way.

Perhaps Smirk's candidacy has lost currency with a lot of members there and they aren't all that charged up about his reelection.

[Glenda]

73. What's Freeper Membership #'s vs DUs?

[Joe Turner]

85. I think FR is near 300,000

The membership count number was mentioned on FR not too long ago. This however is not an accurate count because many past members have been banned. As for DU I don't know but if you look at both sites it's apparent FR is more active.

I think that will be changing in the next few years as the country gets run into the ground by republicans with or without Smirk.

[norml]

52. Weird Nut Daily doesn't like us?

And yet they give us all this free press. I hope News Max Dot Bomb also runs with it. After all,it was on some right-wing repub infomercial that I first heard about Democratic Underground. As was said in Sun's Art Of War,when facing a more powerful opponent,irritate them.

[AnIndependentTexan]

53. BTW looks like Freepers were so lazy that they stole polls from us

gee why doesn't the media cover this. Meet Skinners evil twin.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1232105/posts

List of polls to freep


Posted on 09/30/2004 8:48:30 PM PDT by Gopher Broke


Check out the DU post on polls to freep:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x927474#928164
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x927474#928164



2 posted on 09/30/2004 8:49:09 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/content/shared/news/politics/election04.html



4 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:19 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/content/shared/news/politics/election04.html



5 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:56 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.news-journalonline.com/



6 posted on 09/30/2004 9:15:42 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://jacksonville.com/



7 posted on 09/30/2004 9:16:40 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/



8 posted on 09/30/2004 9:19:14 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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These polls are very consistent in their percentages. Somebody's got the game rigged. The party of IUPAT and FIREFIGHTERS FOR KERRY wouldn't do that. Would they? /sarcasm>



9 posted on 09/30/2004 9:22:42 PM PDT by GVgirl
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http://www.wsyx6.com/



10 posted on 09/30/2004 9:23:58 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.whiotv.com/index.html



11 posted on 09/30/2004 9:27:14 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.wtol.com/



12 posted on 09/30/2004 9:27:52 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.channelcincinnati.com/index.html



13 posted on 09/30/2004 9:29:20 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6092749/



14 posted on 09/30/2004 9:30:32 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.wkef22.com/dayton_oh/



15 posted on 09/30/2004 9:31:11 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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This is what I got when I voted on the CBS news poll at

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/politics/main641817.shtml


"Q: Who won the presidential debate?


John Kerry:
92.18% ( ?!?!?!?)
President Bush:
7.10%
Neither man. It was a draw :
0.72%

NOTE: This is not a scientific poll. ( No kidd'in? ) The results above are for information purposes only, and should not be confused with the results of the scientific polls conducted by CBS News. "

Obviously, the damn lefties have counter-freeped this poll.




16 posted on 09/30/2004 9:32:02 PM PDT by Revenge Of Daffy-Duck
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http://nbc25.com/webpoll.asp



17 posted on 09/30/2004 9:33:00 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.newscentral.tv/



18 posted on 09/30/2004 9:33:44 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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have to assume all the Freepers watched the debate and went to bed -- based on the lousy number of people voting for the President... I hope this isn't a signal of what to expect Election night.



19 posted on 09/30/2004 9:36:42 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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http://www.newscentral.tv/



20 posted on 09/30/2004 9:36:47 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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http://www.citizen-times.com/



21 posted on 09/30/2004 9:37:29 PM PDT by Gopher Broke
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[krkaufman]

56. Hey, Skinner posting all the URLs was just a kick-ass GOTV effort.

Cookie flushing, using bots, voting from multiple computers *could* be viewed as nothing more than pesky -- since the polls have no validity whatsoever.

[Cha]

57. And we're out skewering the

freeps, too! How bout that, poster, Skinner?!:D

EDIT! I take exception with "fraudulent", though..that's bush's department!

[Renew Deal]

58. We schooled these clowns. 1 person, 1 vote

:spank:

[gasperc]

59. no, we just out number you, you stupid fools

and besides, the vote leaves a cookie so more than one vote isn't registered. And if people having been wasting their time deleting those and re-voting well kudos. I think the shear numbers of all the liberal sites encouraging people to vote makes the difference.

JUST LIKE IT'LL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE ON ELECTION DAY!!!!!!!!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

60. And what's even funnier is the email that one of their fans sent to inform

them of what we were doing. As if the sneaky bastard doesn't do it him/herself. Please! LOL.

[Blue_Roses]

62. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

you truely are a celebrity now Skinner. They even have a link to the post...I feel honored to be in such great company:D

Way to go!:bounce:

[JimmyJazz]

63. I guess that's just one more for the stoned slackers

[Chimpanzee]

68. Dumb ass freepers

Freeper: "Let them spike the online polls. Let them get their hopes up. When GWB wins big we can watch their head explode and thier hopes and dreams melt down."

I know quite a few rabid right-wing morons that I will be watching closely on February 3rd. I am giddy thinking about seeing their heads explode and watching them cry like little babies!

[JimmyJazz]

69. Hello and welcome to DU

First things first: It's Moran here at DU - see below:



Second:



Third: Easy on the spliff there bud, I think you meant November 3 - let's not get ahead of ourselves :7

:hi:

[Chimpanzee]

75. Sorry

Must have been confused with the Iraqi elections. They're basically the same.

[JimmyJazz]

78. that's okay - I was just bustin' on a ya.

:)

[Tsiyu]

114. Puff...poll....puff....poll....puff....poll

Skinner is a Posted Stoned Slacker. A "Posted." Good for you Skinner. Glad to see you're finally participating around here! ;)


And again.......Puff...poll....puff...poll....

[JimmyJazz]

117. DUde, don't bogart that thing! n/t

[Tsiyu]

121. "puff puff PASS"

That's right! Sorry!

Carry on.... puff...pass...poll....puff...

[dignan27]

66. when the landslide comes in november i guess we'll be skewing too

[Demonaut]

67. we're not worthy............................................thanks Skinner

we skew online polls, repukes skew national polls...which one has more impact?

[LoZoccolo]

70. The NUMBER ONE ENEMY of POLLS is VOTING! n/t

[Misunderestimator]

71. LOL... I bow to you, skinner...

[Guaranteed]

72. WTF do they mean, we're "skewing the polls?"

What, we don't get to vote just like everyone else? FUCK them.

[RetroLounge]

74. "encouraging readers to vote for Edwards. "

Damn you to hell Skinner for encouraging us!

Evil DUer...

RL

[Massacure]

77. A poster named skinner? They don't know a kick-ass admin when they see one

Keep up the good job.

[Hailtothechimp]

79. Take a bow.

What struck me is that so many TV stations around the country took the SAME meaningless poll! If 90% and more of the respondents to these same polls had said Cheney won, would this be an issue? Of course not. They would be trumpeted as "proof" of Cheney's gravitas or whatever else the wingers want to believe he has.

You (and by extension, we) just beat them at their own game last night. Well done.

[MsMagnificent]

80. & they didn't bring up the same exhortations to the Freepers?

I voted in every poll I could find.

I voted once and only once at each one.


How then, is that skewed?? *puzzled*

[kentuck]

81. I think Skinner is becoming too visible...

We have to keep the head of this operation in a more mystical place....:)

[realisticphish]

137. we need an undisclosed location! nt

[AP]

82. We're going to skew the polls on election day too, so watch out.

[Skinner]

91. Damn right!

:thumbsup:

[progressivebydesign]

83. Hello? Media? We're NOT FUCKING SKEWING POLLS!!!!!!!

One DUer ONE VOTE. GOT IT? We don't vote multiple times! That's Freeper bullshit. What we DO is VOTE. Since WHEN does MY ONE vote not count??? DU and other organizations have created clearinghouse type pages where we can access the polls, but OUR VOTES STILL COUNT!!

Why can't the media understand that? We're VOTERS!!! Our opinion counts!! It's like having the media complain because the Democrats have a better turn out on election day. With their same foggy reasoning, they could say it was UNFAIR to the republicans because MORE democrats turned out!!

Let me repeat this for the media, who appears to be a bit slow, WE VOTE ONCE, WE VOTE FOR KERRY OR EDWARDS BECAUSE WE BELIEVED THEY WON THE DEBATES. One opinion = ONE vote.

WHy don't the media types and their italian suits, and their fucking double-half-caffe lattes, and manicures, cruise FreeRepublic and read ALL about how THEY have learned to RIG the online polls to repeatedly vote in the same poll. How's that? You media people want to attack us for VOTING ONCE?? Fuck you! We don't "FREEP" the polls, we VOTE in them.. Ask the fucking Freepers WHY they call it "FREEPING" a poll. :grr:

[phylny]

140. I agee with you, and further...

...if the sites are that tired of it, they won't have polls. Everyone knows they're useless except for one thing - to make people think they're out of step if they're voting for the candidate that's losing.
"Hmm, everyone ELSE thinks Edwards won. What's wrong with me if I don't? Hmm."

People being indignant over Internet voting cracks me up.

[goclark]

84. They STOLE '00! Tell them to shove it!

We are doing nothing more than any citizen is entitled to do.
We do not have a Katherine Harris to click into the polls onwebsites.

Shove it!

Now they know what it feels like.:party:


Take it to the Supreme Court.

[uncertainty1999]

88. These polls are so unscientific!

For someone to publicly gripe about them in this way is hilarious. The online polls are fun but that is it.

[0007]

92. DU rocks and won't take a back seat to anyone, especially to

the whiners and crybabies, LOL!

Democrats are fraudulently skewing on line polls? What a crock of crap World Net Daily writes. Kind of like freeper town, 'eh?

Maybe Dick Cheney should go to the CIA? I love it!

[0007]

95. Oh yeah, Dick Cheney was loaded for bear in his debate with

John Edwards. The only problem was that the load was in his pants. The joint stunk so bad that even a bear had to pass.

[Eurobabe]

93. HAHA!! Skinner you FAMOUS!!

Imagine that, skewing things...how do we count the ways the NEOCONS have pushed their agenda.

[mumon]

94. You know, that's called "organizing."

While some folks around here've suggested ways to vote twice, most of us probably didn't - the vast majority.

Apparently to conservatives, political organizing = fraud.

Well, not apparently- this is their argument against enforcing voting rights.

But it shows we're powerful. Very, very powerful.

We're taking those c*cks*ckers down in November.

[Liberal Veteran]

96. Haha...what's next? Saying the election is fradulent because...

...we encourage dems to get out the vote?

[missjudy6]

97. Fraudulently?

Skewing? How do they have the nerve to suggest fraud? Is this an admission their poll was intended for b/c faithful only?

[bemildred]

99. Yeah, fraudulent my ass. The poll is fraudulent.

We, however, are simply saying what we think according to their
rules. WTF did they out it up for if not so people could vote?

[arwalden]

98. fraudulently skewing online polls ? "FRAUDULENTLY"???

Where's the fraud?

It's a list of polls that we're encouraged to participate in. How can this be fraud?

[Clinton Crusader]

100. Congrats Skinner! Now dont go gettin' too big for us!

:toast:

:kick:

[Mr E McSquare]

101. Whats the difference....

* doesnt read polls anyway!
Every republican will tell you that polls mean nothing!
Boy they're getting more desperate by the minute.

[liberal N proud]

102. I wouldn't call posting links to polls skewing them.

It is just getting the word out.
Keep up the good work and keep posting links to the online polls.

[Jack Rabbit]

103. Of course, they make absolutely no mention of Free Rubuplic

and how the Freepers long ago made skewing online polls into a science. That's why they call it "freeping".

Jack Rabbit's laws of online polls:

• Any poll that can be freeped will be freeped;
• Any poll that can be unfreeped can be re-freeped;
• Anybody who uses an online poll as a barometer of actual public opinion ought to be hung by his thumbs.

[Bandit]

104. This is their opening volley

When Bush* is soundly defeated they will be saying the only possible way that could be is that we somehow cheated. That will be their rebel yell. Stolen election, stolen election, stolen election. They are just getting their talking points down now.

[pdx_prog]

105. The gig is up...we have been "found out"...

Hey Clive!......here's the reason why your polling isn't working.....you have been going to the "poles" instead of the "polls"...

Or maybe you are just "inefficient" at spelling....


To: Spok
We are very inefficient in how we do it.
We ask Freepers to individually vote in the poles.

It appears that the Dems have automated the process.

Gives a whole new meaning to "machine voting".

Perhaps we should let them do it so that it reaches the point where the results get so skewed that they lose all meaning


21 posted on 10/06/2004 4:18:41 PM PDT by Clive
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[BUSHOUT]

107. Boo FUGIN Hoo!

I'm getting a little sick of seeing republicans crying over stolen laptops and stolen signs and skewed polls and free underwear.

Desperation is driving them to desperate measures.

Look for the number of "crimes" against republican offices to sharply rise. They sense it's a possible sympathy getter, and not all of them are above doing what it takes to generate some sympathy.

Did anyone read the comments by that worker from the office that was burglerized and had laptops stolen?
All he did was accuse democrats. He went over the line.

[DemocracyInaction]

108. Have you been contacted yet to work for the RNC?????

They are just dying of envy. Actually--where did I read this--apparently the repukes tried to get all their base to flood these polls but were having a terrible time getting them to respond. Couldn't figure out if that was because they are too dumb to run a computer or if they just couldn't get up any enthusiasm to do it!!! You know, it was the 'on line' people who sparked the Dean revolution and I suspect they are still manning their keyboards for the cause. KEEP IT UP!!!

[Chiyo-chichi]

109. FOX News Sunday.

Way to go Posted.

Fox News Sunday reported last weekend that online polls were big for Kerry because the DNC sent out an email asking supporters to vote online. I would love to write to them (thought the likelihood that they'd read it on the air is nil) to say that the RNC/Bush Cheney campaign did the same. DOES ANYONE have a copy (Or link to) the e-mail confirming that fact? It was posted here before the first Presidential debate.

The reason the freepers can't get it up as well as we can (online poll numbers, I mean ;) ) is that they get too sleepy to stay awake & vote online. Heck, Dubya was sleepy 20 minutes into the debate, & Dick got grumpy from sleep deprivation about 45 minutes in.

In all fairness, they have to get up early & go to their jobs raping the environment, stealing from the poor, and opressing the disagvantaged. It's "hard work."

[Chiyo-chichi]

126. Freepers confirm my theory.

To: Gopher Broke
I have to assume all the Freepers watched the debate and went to bed -- based on the lousy number of people voting for the President... I hope this isn't a signal of what to expect Election night.


19 posted on 09/30/2004 9:36:42 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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Like I said, they get sleepy. Keep on hoping, freepers!

[obiwan]

110. Hilarious! From the Free Republic site...

Posted at the Freeper site:


"To: Spok
I thought only we did that!!

We invented it. But it's only bad when dems do it.

11 posted on 10/06/2004 3:50:39 PM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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If this is the mentality we are up against, then I am not worried about the election unless all these idiots have been massively inbreeding.
I doubt they could tie their own shoes without an instruction manual.

As far as "spam bots" I went to every site listed and applied the "one man, one vote" method. Is it possible that there are more of us than there are of them?

[graywarrior]

135. This is how the election is gonna go too

Don't they get it?

[hermetic]

111. Awesome! I'm ever so proud

of all my fellow gremlins. Keep it wild-eyed kids!

[hyphenate]

115. Congratulations!

You've just won a spot on the GOP's Top Ten Most Nefarious Democrats!

[catrose]

116. Did you take the WorldNet Poll?

It currently shows Bush at 83% and Kerry behind some other candidates with 1.56%. They require an email address (spamgourmet.com is so useful) to make sure the evil dems don't vote twice. Let your bots go!*

*Note to freepers: Is joke. I have no bots. Just lots of time on my hands, thanks to your boss' great economy with outsourcing so good for all of us.

Thank you, Skinner. I very much appreciate your lists.

Silly me. Forgot the link.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/

[Cheswick2.0]

118. I voted on their poll

aren't we people? If I vote once on a lot of different polls how is that hurting anything? Am I not allowed an opinion. What do they bother having polls for?

[On the Road]

119. Great!

Nothing wrong with flooding the polls. Don't know why that's consdidered fraudulent.

I STILL wish DU would adopt a policy of being against perl scripts and other multiple voting techniques to stuff the ballot box. (No changes in moderating need be adopted.)Although rare, I also saw posts discussing or advocating freeping the polls by deleting cookies or using scripts. It makes the efforts of thousands of DUers look like they're due to a couple of hackers -- in the press, no less.

[California Griz]

120. The landslide is building

As is the freeper whine. Bush's talking points are getting more ludicrous by the day. Just heard today's spin on the WMD report. The corporate media attempts to skew voter opinion has really gotten laughable. The attention given to Mt St Helen's hiccup after the first debate. The pulling of the poll results. Anything to take the spotlight off of Bush's sinking popularity. I actually had 2 freepers trying to argue with me that Cheney sitting next to Edwards for 3 hours didn't qualify as having met him. Reality will set in with them on Nov. 3rd.

[viking_girl]

123. OMG, I'm Finnish and voted in polls! ;)

Yikes, here I am, Finnish-American and a Democratic online poll taker. I didn't realize the whole country was doing the same. Well, got to get back to pushing the snow off my reindeer now.

[George_S]

124. Definition of freeper

freeper

A vile, right-wing, hatred-spewing wingnut who is a member of the freerepublic.com forum. No dissent is allowed, users who post even the most mild deviation from the the most extreme neoconservative rhetoric are banned from the site. Limbaugh's fans, "dittoheads", are centrists by comparison. Freepers are particularly obsessed with Bill Clinton's penis.

The group invalidates invalidates political internet polls by repetitive voting in order to skew the results as far right as possible, i.e. "We freeped that poll!" They troll any and all political forums.

See "Borg". Also, "freeped", "to freep". Should always be lowercase.

"Into the mud, freeper scum!"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FReeper

[mom cat]

125. Such whiners! Thrie current poll has 82.23% for* and 3.14 for Kerry.

Do you hear them screaming about ballot stuffing on that one? Of cource not. :stupid:
PS...nice piece of work! :yourock:

[TheWebHead]

127. Freepers have more visitors to direct to online polls

usually this isn't statistics that we'd like to post, but in this case it demonstrates that the online influence of partisan message boards favors the freepers over DU'ers:

Traffic Rank for democraticunderground.com: 6,633
Today 1 wk. Avg. 3 mos. Avg. 3 mos. Change
4,647 6,310 6,633 470

Traffic Rank for freerepublic.com: 2,247
Today 1 wk. Avg. 3 mos. Avg. 3 mos. Change
1,234 1,409 2,247 25

Freepers have the traffic advantage, imo, because right wing talk radio provides them much more free advertising than left wing talk radio provides DU.

[Contrary1]

128. We're just better at it. Crybaby Wimps

Look what I got the morning of the debate:

Dear ____,

The debate tonight presents a tremendous opportunity for the campaign to attract undecided voters, but people's perceptions are shaped as much by their conversations around the water cooler as by the debates themselves.

The Vice President's goal is to do what he's been doing throughout this election: explain to the American people why the President's policies are right for America and the world we live in today - in fighting the war on terror, in keeping our economy growing and in responding to the new challenges of the 21st century. 

After last week's debate, the Kerry campaign spin machine managed to mask their candidate's flip-flops on the war in Iraq, imposition of a "global test" for protecting America, and repeated denigration of our troops and allies.

If we plan to win the election, we must fight back against their spin and make sure our friends and neighbors get the truth.

We need your help tonight!

Visit www.GeorgeWBush.com/DebateFacts tonight during the debate so you will have the facts.  Print and share them with your friends.
Immediately after the debate, visit online polls, chat rooms, and discussion boards and make your voice heard.  The major news networks will all have internet polls after the debate.  Make sure you vote in polls on:
MSNBC.com
FoxNews.com
ABCNews.com
CNN.com
and even CBS.

Make sure swing state voters know why you support the President by sharing your thoughts on message boards in target states.
Call Talk Radio shows in your area.
Write letters to the editors of your local papers.
Visit Chat rooms on AOL, MSN, and Yahoo!
Send this message to 5 friends using the form at the bottom of this page.

[TexasSissy]

129. The Repubs voted, too! Does this mean there's more of us who care

enough to vote online? If so, does that translate that there are more of us who care enough to vote on Nov. 2nd? Or is it just the computer thing?

They're right about one thing, though. There's nothing else out there like DU.

[TexasSissy]

130. YOU'RE famous! Yes, take a bow! .....

:headbang:

[info being]

131. Most likely, non-US Citizens are hitting these polls as well

I find it very hard to believe that American's would think independently...that is, when Tweety's claiming a resounding victory for Cheney, I don't think Tweety-watchers are going on-line to disagree with him. Most Americans can very easily be told what to think.

[Dem2theMax]

132. Wow! I'm in the presence of 'posted' royalty!

Hey Skinner. Way to go! :bounce:

Boy, are the freeps desperate or what? Thank you so much for this laugh. I needed one today. :) :) :)

[Solar]

138. its a;ways funny when we beat them at their own game

:kick:

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