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[funkybutt]

I think him directing people to factcheck.org is going to bite him in the ass. As well as the comments claiming he never insinuated that there was a connection between 9-11 and Iraq! EVERYONE knows that's false! Don't they?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. How bout Americans only taking on 50% of the causulties and costs in Iraq?

Bill Schneider of CNN made a point to clarify that the real number was 88.5%, which is a lot more like the Kerry/Edwards number than the Bush/Liar number.

[nickinSTL]

2. that really ticked me off

Telling Edwards that Kerry/Edwards weren't giving credit to the Iraqis.

Cheney was just using Iraqi casualties to make US casualties not look so bad (50% vs. 90%)

Bush/Cheney have CONSISTENTLY ignored Iraqi casualties. How many Iraqis have we killed? Iraqi civilians?

Now they use a few Iraqi casualties for political purposes. Disgusting. :mad: Not like I should be surprised.

[William Seger]

16. Especially since BushCo doesn't even allow COUNTING Iraqi dead

They don't count Iraqi dead simply because it would be a powerful political weapon against them, then he accuses Edwards of "ignoring" them.

[SpiralHawk]

3. Sneering

As usual.

Though I must say that I prefer -- in the aesthetic sense -- the sneer of the Big Dick, to the smarmy smirk of the alleged Chimp-in-Cheef*



* AWOL for over a year while honor-bound by solemn oath to be serving with the Texas Air National Guard in the 1970s; defeated by a clear majority of patriotic and discerning American voters in the 2000 election; selected to office by the "legal" system; AWOL on 9/11 so he could read a book about a pet goat, even though he had been directly informed that America was under attack.

[MADem]

4. Good Lord, there were so MANY

--His absolutely disgraceful RECORD: Keeping Mandela in jail, voting against MLK day, voting against Head Start, voting against MEALS ON WHEELS! Kinda makes his "experience" look like he made mistake after mistake after mistake in judgment. He CONSISTENTLY VOTED THE WRONG WAY, in ways that the AMERICAN PEOPLE of all parties find reprehensible. He's like a mean old professor who, on getting that tenure, starts 'mailing it in' instead of doing the work.

--The outright lie: I never met John Edwards (wrong! They have pictures of the two of them together!)

--The icing on the cake: No connection between Iraq and Al Qaida...the Daily Show did a huge riff on this a while back, where he insisted in an interview that there WAS a connection, even though everyone all the way down to Bush's Pet Goat acknowledged that said connection did not exist.

But his biggest screwup was his closing statement, delivered in the same doom/gloom monotone that he employed throughout the evening: vote for me or you WILL DIE.

He pushed away undecideds, how can I say this, BIG TIME. No base votes were going to move from watching this event--but he LOST the undecided vote decisively. People really do prefer hope over fear. I don't think we, as a nation, can handle much more of this 'sky is falling' shit.

[sniffa]

5. he forgot poLand

[funkybutt]

6. YEP! Pictures of Cheney and Edwards SURFACE within minutes

of that "i've never met you before" comment

[pmbryant]

7. Cheney portrayed himself and Bush as totally ineffectual on Iraq/Zarqawi

Cheney mumbled:

But let’s look at what we know about Mr. Zarqawi. We know he was running a terrorist camp, training terrorists in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. We know that when we went into Afghanistan that he then migrated to Baghdad. He set up shop in Baghdad where he oversaw the poisons facility up at Khurmal, where the terrorists were developing ricin and other deadly substances to use. We know he’s still in Baghdad today. He is responsible for most of the major car bombings that have killed or maimed thousands of people. He’s the one you will see on the evening news beheading hostages. He is without question a bad guy. He is without question a terrorist. He was in fact in Baghdad before the war and he’s in Baghdad now after the war.

The fact of the matter is that this is exactly the kind of track record we’ve seen over the years. We have to deal with Zarqawi by taking him out and that’s exactly what we’ll do.

If anyone actually listened to these ramblings of Cheney, they got the impression of a totally ineffectual administration. One measly guy who's been terrorizing us for years, and we can't take him out after 18 months!?

Peter

[kayell]

14. The Khurmal story was totally discredited almost 2 years ago.

#1 Khurmal was in an area not under Saddams control, but in Kurdish territory.

#2 There wasn't a poison plant there, despite what Colin Powell and Cheney claimed.

"SARGAT, Iraq -- A remote site in the mountains of northern Iraq identified by U.S. officials as a crude laboratory where al-Qaida terrorists concoct poisons is a muddy, decrepit, refuse-strewn compound devoid of any signs of deadly substances.

Ansar al Islam, a Kurdish militant group accused by U.S. and Kurdish officials of harboring al-Qaida fugitives from Afghanistan, on Saturday took foreign journalists on a tour of the site and denied it had a poison-making facility. Ansar controls a rugged sanctuary within the independent Kurdish zone of northern Iraq and imposes harsh Taliban-style Islamic rule."

snip

There was no sign of chemicals, mixing vessels, running water or other things associated with the production of deadly substances in the compound. The only sharp odor at the compound came from rotting food overflowing from a trash container.

More
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/world/1771087

[pmbryant]

15. Thanks. I figured the "facts" probably weren't right

The beauty of Cheney's answer is that, even with his distortions, he still portrays his own administration as weak and ineffective against terrorists.

One guy is going around beheading people on TV in a country that we've owned for a year and a half and we can't do anything about it!?

I don't think any undecided voters got a good impression from that answer.

--Peter

[William Seger]

8. Saying Iraq was the "nexus" between terrorists and WMDs

... completely ignoring, yet again: 1) there was never any proof of that, and a lot of reason to doubt it; 2) if BushCo had simply allowed the UN inspectors to finish their job, we would have known that Iraq didn't have WMDs; and 3) rushing to war despite those two points shows a "colossal error of judgment" that's seriously dangerous to the country.

[William Seger]

9. Cowardly backing off his previous assertions

... 1) that Iraq was connected to al Qaeda; and 2) that electing Kerry was an invitation for more terrorist attacks in the US. He treats the American public like a bunch of dumbasses.

[William Seger]

10. Pushing the "flip-flop" meme...

... but having no explanation at all for BushCo's even more serious changes of direction.

[funkybutt]

11. Really reaching with the FLIPITY FLOPPITY song and dance

Do they not know that everyone is onto that now.

[Supersedeas]

12. Did Cheney lose his train of thought in his closing statement?

1. How many times did Cheney say, "Where do I begin?"

2. Tell Gwen that he would need extra time to answer the question, then passing on the follow-up.

3. Edwards several times used time in separate/different questions to follow-up and elaborate on a point from a previous question, if Cheney need more time to answer and/or collect his thoughts about where to begin...there was time there, he did not use it as effectively as Edwards.

[alarcojon]

13. Not thanking Edwards before his closing remarks

Right before his closing remarks, Edwards thanked the moderator and Oily Dick. When it was Cheney's turn, he only thanked the moderator and began his remarks without acknowledging Edwards.

A small but revealing slip-up IMHO.