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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:49 PM
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6821-2004Jan10.html

Clark wants to be like Howard!


"Immature poets imitate," T.S. Eliot once observed. "Mature poets steal."



Perhaps the same can be said of political campaigns. Close watchers of retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark's Web site have recently noticed several features that appear to have been lifted from earlier efforts by Dean for America.

The youth-oriented Web page, for example.

In June, former Vermont governor Howard Dean's campaign created a "Generation Dean" site, complete with a blog for students and a red-and-white image of a name tag labeled "meet up." By clicking on the tag, viewers could find a list of "meet-ups" across the country. And "Generation Dean" was hiply shortened in several places to "Gen Dean."

When Clark entered the race in September, his minions went to work. The following month, a "Gen Clark" site was unveiled, complete with a blog for students and a red-and-white image of a name tag labeled "meet up." By clicking on the tag, viewers could find a list of "meet-ups" across the country.

Speaking of meet-ups: In September, the Dean Web site posted a downloadable flier, which volunteers could use to promote Dean for America gatherings. Beneath a black-banner headline, a Dean logo on the left and a photo of the smiling candidate on the right, the text read: "Come meet with local Dean supporters and learn more about Governor Howard Dean. Over 110,000 Americans have signed up to meet and talk about taking our country back."

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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:06 PM
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1. They copied the Dean Letter Writing Campaign as well -eom-
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:55 AM
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37. Yup, no one has EVER done that before. n/t
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:08 PM
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2. Clark is stealing ideas for bumper stickers and signs too
the noive
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:56 AM
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38. I also hear he has T-shirts. THE NERVE...Xerox Cat! n/t
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:09 PM
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3. Business 101: Why reinvent the wheel?
n/t
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:37 PM
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20. Maybe
so you can show voters you have an original thought in your head, or can come up with one, or that you're not Dean-Lite, or that you can select staff who are more creative -- and honorable -- than to plagiarize.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:10 PM
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4. did Dean invent the internet??
:evilgrin:
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:18 PM
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10. nah that was Gore
Dean didn't invent the gaffe either but he's perfecting it. bg difference.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:37 AM
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34. do you get your material from Fox?
:evilgrin:
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:10 PM
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5. It's disgusting.
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DeanIsAPitbull Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:11 PM
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6. Just like how Clark stole Dean's middle class taxcut plan and anti-Iraq
war stances :)



go Dean!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:57 AM
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39. He also stole that whole momentum thing. n/t
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:11 PM
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7. Hey, thanks for everything, Cheswick!
B-)
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:38 AM
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35. I guess if you have an imitation democrat
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 09:38 AM by Cheswick
you need an imitation campaign

Just kidding. :evilgrin:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:00 AM
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40. Imitation Democrat, Is that kinda like the Imitation Liberal?
It was my understanding that Mr. Dean had most of his fights with the Democrats in his state not the Rethugs?

I find that very interesting. :evilgrin:

just kidding
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:13 PM
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8. clark's never had an original idea in his head
and it's all been put in there by his handlers.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:20 PM
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13. Untrue ! He went against the tide in supporting the 'School of Torture' -
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:29 PM
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15. My, such harsh and false language.
Really lowers the level of discourse here.

If Clark really copied Dean he'd have "Dumbo Eruptions."
Heard that phrase coined for Dean on CBS news.

See?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:47 PM
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23. well, all his domestic policy plans were done by handlers....
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:02 AM
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41. And Dean's foreign policy will be done by...
TBD....

Oh yeah, we don't know that yet. He's gonna surround himself with experts. Like Junior shrub.

:evilgrin:

just kidding

:evilgrin:
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:16 PM
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9. At the last Clark meeting
I was talking with some students, and they said, "yeah, it never would have occurred to us to form a group to support Clark... but then we saw that some students supported Dean, and we thought, and we thought, and we thought... and then a big LIGHT BULB went on over our heads! Hey, I'll bet WE could support a candidate for President, as well! After all, it's Madison, frickin' Wisconsin - I mean, it's never been done before, you know, student activism and all... "
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:19 PM
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12. good story
:hi:
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:19 PM
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11. ummm this chardonnay tastes good
want some??
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:23 PM
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14. got any red?
:)
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:38 PM
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21. yes
cheese and crackers too
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:30 PM
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16. People are smart. They won't settle for a cheap imitation
when they can have the real deal just as easily.

This will hurt Clark.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:34 PM
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17. Please - Dean has copied Clark on everything
Esp. our Iraq policy and now his tax plan.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:52 PM
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24. Rather hard to copy Clark on 'everything'...
... when he wasn't even in the race until September, _Jack_... :eyes:
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:54 PM
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26. Well...he's copied him on a few things...
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:36 AM
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27. like what?
Did Clark have grey hair first?
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:43 AM
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30. Dean stole Clark's Iraq policy
And is following Clark's tax-cuts for the middle class pledge.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:36 PM
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18. Dean is obviously the most Web Savvy Dem Candidate out there
Join me in congratulating the Dean Campaign on their awsome mastery of all things WWW.

YEA!!! :party:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:53 PM
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25. Isn't it that he hired the most web-savvy campaign manager?

My understanding is that Dean's not really into online culture, it's Trippi that's done all that for him.

So, good job on hiring Trippi, Howard! :toast:
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:01 AM
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33. Trippi had the internet background and drove that effort n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:04 AM
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42. Wait, Dean didn't do his web sites on his own? OMG! I thought
he was designing, coding, uplodaing, and troubleshooting...

:evilgrin: just kidding :evilgrin:
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Lobo_13 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:36 PM
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19. He stole the Drive for Democracy idea too
Except his staff only did it in the south.

Clarks web philosophy: "Do what Dean does, but lower the expectations."

I remember when Clark used a basketball instead of a bat. That was funny.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:38 PM
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22. Kerry's copy was a hammer.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:40 AM
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28. Edwards had a boot.
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Printer70 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:41 AM
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29. Clark also stole the idea of opposing the war from Dean
...after saying he would vote for IWR, his consultants pulled him aside. A day later he said his position was the "same as Dean's". Those were the man's words.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:59 AM
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32. Clark has congressional testimony - Dean has flip-flops, platitudes...
and Kool-Aid. It's worked so far.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:52 AM
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36. Clark has taken heat for flip flops, just like all the other candidates
"Clark flip-flops on Iraq war vote"
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3070750/

"Candidate Clark Flip Flops On Iraq"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/21/politics/main574378.shtml

Just Google "flip flop" and the name of any candidate, and you'll find a few articles accusing them of "flip flops."
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:05 AM
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43. And Dean stole it from KUCINICH...n/t
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:55 AM
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31. Here in my town they didn't stop at web sites
They even stole some party info to use to promote Clark. Fortunately it was revealed early enough to put the major stuff into lockdown.

Funny, I've had access to it all for months and it never occured to me to misuse the info for my candidate's benefit.

Julie
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