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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:26 PM
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Why I still support Dean
Warning this post won't trash other candidates.

As many of you know I was a huge Gore fan. I almost certainly would be supporting him had he decided to run. But he didn't. So I went elsewhere.

I had also known Dean from before. When the first gay marriage decision was handed down in Hawaii I was living in MS. Needless to say all Hell broke lose down there. There was a law passed almost immediately banning gay marriage in MS (proposed and signed by the philandering Fordice). Then the same philanderer wanted a Constitutional amendment. Gladly some common sense broke out. Then, like a mirage, the decision was overturned by amendment. Then Alaska had a court decision. And another mirage.

By 1999, I had moved back up to Ohio and was amazed that we had our third decision. This time, it was no mirage. In a scant four months, for the first time in 224 years, gays and lesbians in these United States had a place where their relationships would have the same legal sanctity that straight ones had.

That didn't happen by accident. Some profoundly dishonest people will tell you tales they like on this. They will tell you the constitution couldn't be changed. They will tell you he never expressed support of this bill until he signed it. They will tell you that he had no choice. They are telling tales.

Then Dean showed us how to win after having signed it. In a scant 7 months Dean ran, and won, a tough three way race with 50% of the vote. He ran telling the people what he did and why he did it. He didn't hide us in some closet. He didn't blame the court, the legislature, or the weather. He looked those people in the eye and told them that gays are people too. And he won.

Then I started to show up at Meet Ups. In my area we had one Meet Up in April and May and they both had something like 10 people. Then as summer came I got more involved. I went to Pride Day and only Dean had an organized presence. I went to a local county fair (one of the most conservative counties in my state) and handed out literature there. And right on his literature, in that conservative county, he had strong support for both gay rights and civil unions in plain English. No laundry list of rights. He didn't tell the Pride Day cround one thing and the conservative voters another. His support of us was out of the closet. That sealed the deal.

There are a host of other reasons I support this man but that is why I am so staunch in my support. He has been a true friend of gays and lesbians. I know, from personal experience, how hard it is to stand up for gays and lesbians in less than ideal areas. I know how tempting it was to shade the truth or, to be more blunt lie, to stay popular in those situations. I used to lie all the time to avoid the conflict. Dean didn't take the easy way out.

A true friend does what Dean did. He told us what he believed, fought like a tiger for us, and didn't back down. And he won.

I was resigned to, as I so often do, to supporting my candidate until March or April and then supporting the nominee. Now I am faced with the pleasant prospect of supporting my first choice. I will do so until the last dog dies.

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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:29 PM
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1. This is why we need Dean as President.
The ultra religious right are not only going to stir up more wars in the world but are going to force-feed their neo-con, neo-Puritan views on all of us. Dean and the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party will put a stop to this.


John
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:32 PM
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2. You make me proud to be a Dean supporter, dsc.
Great post.

:toast:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 12:02 AM
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12. thank you
I am proud of my candidate and hope it shows.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:47 AM
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22. dsc, i think you know i'm a supporter of GLB issues so please
keep that in mind as i ask you to debunk the issue that dean was not the force behind the civil unions but that he was forced into the fray? thank you
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 12:16 PM
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23. I never said he was the force behind
It would be nice if you responded to what I actually wrote. That said, here is a post with the relevent links.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=75508

Dean came out in favor of civil unions within hours of that decision. I know for a fact that the groups behind this effort specificly asked governors not to talk about the issue for fear of a backlash.

It also if false that the supreme court of Vermont forced him to do anything. The constitution could have been changed (time consuming yes, but not very hard). Only one step required more than a majority vote and that could easily be spun as a mere proposal for the amendment. I don't claim to know that those votes existed but you sure can't prove they did. And had Dean stumped for them he likely would have gotten them.

One final thing. In Vermont gay marriage was supported by around 35% of the people. In Massachusetts it is 55%. Yet, the Legislature just asked for clarification instead of following that supreme court.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:50 PM
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3. terrific post, dsc.
I have so many many gay and lesbian friends - I hope I can be that kind of friend to them as well.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:53 PM
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4. An Inspiring Post
Why do so many other candidates' supporters insist on searching for the most cynical view of Dean's actions, when the most convincing answer is right in front of them: Dean means what he says and is willing to work to prove it.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:17 AM
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13. good question
and as often happens your question is better than any answer you may get.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:58 PM
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5. I just finished
watching several speeches of his on tape.


It never ceases to amaze me how he inspires, how his campaign has transcended all expectations, how this campaign has changed politics forever.


People have underestimated us from the beginning. George Bush will underestimate us, too.


But how wonderful it's going to be in November of this year when we all see the results of our power, passion, patriotism and pride.



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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:09 PM
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6. don't listen to the liars dsc, shut them out
just keep doing what you are doing.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:13 PM
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7. Great post ! You are the heart and soul of the Dean campaign ! -eom
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:22 PM
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8. Another reason it makes me proud to be
a Dean campaigner!
Thanks, dsc, for that moving account and a little history thrown in!:D
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mikewriter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:42 PM
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9. Great post
I feel the Deaniacs are the most loyal supporters which is why we will help Dean win the White House.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:28 PM
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10. thank you
I won't let this slip away. I just finished a letter to Iowa.
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Polemonium Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:40 PM
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11. Nice post
Yet another good reason to support Dean.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:11 AM
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14. kick
:kick:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:58 AM
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15. this is why people like me are frustrated
I guess if I had found some right wing crank to dis Clark this thread would have 200 responses by now.
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Zinnola Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:12 AM
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16. Great post dsc
:kick:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:21 AM
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17. Your story closely mirrors my own.
When gov. Dean signed and then defended his signing of the civil-unions bill while running for re-election, he gained a tremendous amount of respect from me, on a personal level. Al Gore's decision not to run, when coupled with Sen. Kerry's support of the IWR and Dean's opposition to it, 'closed the deal' for me.

Great post! :hug:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:24 AM
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19. Thanks
It feels good to support a candidate who likes and respects gays and who gets it. I am not saying none of the rest do but I am saying that no previous one running, who could win, did.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:22 AM
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18. great post, dsc!
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LizW2 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:29 AM
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20. Very moving post
I'm with you "until the last dog dies" too! :hug:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:32 PM
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24. Hi LizW2!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:30 AM
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21. That's One of The Reasons I am a Dean Supporter
He isn't afraid to take a brave stand on important issues.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:35 PM
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25. The bullies always win if you never stand up to them.
Well, guess what, folks.

We are standing up to the bullies this time, and no amount of Repuke or DLC fear mongering is going to stop us!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:42 PM
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26. Yes indeed
It took several years of school for me to learn that lesson but once learned not forgotten. I won't be silent now.
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