Expect a strong debate performance from the shrub...

[kerryin2004]

The fact is the guy had never lost a debate before Kerry kicked his ass, and if I was Kerry I would not be overconfident.. The shrub is a master debater, and he was definitely off talking foreign policy, but his past business ownerships give him a great advantage talking about the economy, and his ability to take stands on such important issues as gay marriage really distinguishes him.. I mean in 2000 he said it should be states Rights to decide on gay marriage, but then his position "evolved" to needing a constitutional amendment..etc.,etc




The Shrub has already talked about looking forward to the domestic debate, and I expect him to come out swinging.. Hold on to your hat Kerry, and watch that tricky shrub!

[UpsideDownFlag]

1. ...i'm not sure which part of your post i disagree with most. nt

[kerryin2004]

4. We must elevate the shrub again..

His performance dropped his expectations immensely, and we must start propping him up quickly or else the media is going to let him get away with all his conundrums.

[UCLA Dem]

13. I agree. The Kerry team needs to do what it did so brilliantly

last time and come in as the underdog. They need to continue to play up how great Shrub is and how they only hope Kerry can "hold his own."

[bluedeminredstate]

6. I know

I agree. It might be the implication that Bush is a business man they'll be teaching college courses about someday...That one especially stuck in my craw!
:(

[Erika]

2. Kerry is No Gore

As much as I respected Gore. Bush has no successful domestic issues to run on, much less the facts for debating purposes to back him up.

[KoKo]

3. A President who has taken us to war twice should be very comfortable

talking about foreign policy. As for domestic policy, the Stock Market is at the same place it was a year ago (no gains) and well under what it was when he took office, we have the worst unemployment since the depression, an unheard of National Debt and Trade Imbalance and our air and water are dirtier every day. Florida and the rest of the East Coast is digging out from Hurricanes and Floods, the airline business is in the tanks, jobs are outsourced overseas, states are having to cut back services because so little money is coming in because of industry closings and offshorings and well...I could go on and on...

You think this guy is going to "hit it out of the park" on Domestic issues because his base is afraid of gays and hates women?

Give me a break!

[shivaji]

17. About the stock market....

The SPX (index of 500 largest US corporations) gained 30+ percent in
2003, and has not gone up during 2004. Since the beginning of calendar
2004, it's PE ratio has dropped from around 28 to 22 currently.

Which in simple terms means the profits of SPX companies have gained
aprox 27% since Jan 1, 2004. In other words, the stock market now
has more value (27% more value) than on jan 1, 2004. Therefore it has
very good upside potential.

Kerry should stay away from attacking stock market performance since
it will be exposed as untruthful by experts. There are plenty of other
areas to attack shrub such as health care costs, environment, anemic
job performance, fuel costs, and Iraq war cost.

[Nexus7]

20. You're talking bullshit

The SPX is down 15% since Jan 2000, and merely made up for some lost ground during 2003, and has done more or less nothing this year. In other words, you're talking bullshit. No different from the wingnuts and armchair analysts on the market chatter channels who tried to puff up the economy for the past 3 years, and merely succeeded in the jobless recovery, that too only in the stock market.

First of all you pick a convenient date, Jan 1, 2004. Then you indulge in the bogus hocus pocus about P/E ratios and your laughable statement about "upside potential."

The only upside potential in the real economy and real market (as opposed to the kool-aid you see on MSNBC) is a democratic administration for at least the next 4 years, that can take sensible measures, such as reduce the deficit, and create safe and promising working conditions for American workers.

Keep your nay-saying and smoke and mirrors misuse of stock fundamentals to yourself. John Kerry might keep away from discussing the stock market, but only because of pseudo-analysts such as yourself who specialize is stringing together terms into meaningless but apaprently fancy statements, who will take his words and mangle them into something uglier than Reagan's face.

[ailsagirl]

5. Dubya's supposed debating skills

But I had heard that foreign policy was Dubya's strong suit (which I don't see but nonetheless) and he was an abysmal failure at the first debate. He doesn't seem to know anything about domestic issues nor, it appears, does he even care. I think Kerry will clobber him again. Dubya can crank up his nastiness but that will just make him look bad. Kerry has integrity-- Dubya doesn't know the meaning of the word. I think people have Dubya's number. I don't think, looking back, that people really bought the Swift Boat Liars (or whatever they're called) thing. In fact, I think it ultimately backfired.

I'm beginning to think that maybe I underestimated the intelligence of the American people. Maybe they are sharper than I gave them credit for. But there is that Bush faction that goes crazy over everything he says. He could have stood on that stage at the RNC and recited the ABC song and people would have gone wild. I think they're brainwashed. But I don't think they represent a significant portion of the American people.

I just hope I'm right!!

ailsa

[newyawker99]

26. Hi ailsagirl!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Jane Austin]

7. You again?

Howdy.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

8. We can never have too many

reverse psych job debate threadzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Career Prole]

9. I'm pretty sure it's a joke...from "master debater", to the chimp

"knowing" economy because of his "business experience", to the firm "stand" on an position which has changed...it's a joke, right?

[PurityOfEssence]

10. Hey, at least he believes in some form of evolution,

even if it is one of ideas.

Yes, we need to be wary of this imbecile; remember: the traction Kerry got was largely from Junior's reactions and some verbal bumbling. Take that away, and it's much easier to skew and spin something as a draw.

Never presume that these guys are finished; even if we're up by 10 points in every swing state on November 1st, there's still a way.

They CAN'T lose, and they know that. This is dangerous.

[Union Thug]

11. You're right!

After all, Bush didn't get enough nighty night time and was a little tired and cranky at the first debate. His next showing is sure to surprise us all with a new found propensity for articulation and an improved capacity for forming sentences with commas and colons.

We are doomed. Please have mercy, bushy-boy.

[caledesi]

12. I thought the last debate (Iraq etc) was supposed to be

*'s strong suit. Didn't look like it. Mr. "Cliff-Notes" president totally bombed. Kerry was fantastic.

The next "debate" is the town hall. I can't imagine Kerry being as stellar as he was in the first debate, but he is so well prepared and now I now why he truly is an expert debater.

Kerry in a landslide.

[MoonRiver]

14. He lost every debate with Gore.

As to worrying about Kerry debating AWOL this Friday, :boring:

[Guaranteed]

15. I agree. Bush is going to have wedge issues shoved down

his throat during prep. He's going to come out swinging.

Kerry had better stay on the offensive.

[zulchzulu]

16. Chimpy will suck like he did in the first debate

Mostly it's because he is used to yesmen and pre-approved sheep in his "speeches". He makes cheap shots and low-level insults about Kerry away from the scrutiny.

Watching Bush in the debates will be like watching some punk used to underlings laughing at his tired jokes get exposed for being a clueless, classless chump.

Kerry will spank him hard. Chimpy is not even minor-league material to a pro like Kerry.

Even the GOP didn't have faith in Chimpy by wanting the debate on a Friday night when a lot of viewers are known not to watch at that time slot.

Even they know Chimpy is a candy-ass pussy.

[pacalo]

18. I couldn't disagree more.

If the last debate didn't convince you of Kerry's debating superiority sufficiently, consider this:

Kerry "was an all-star debater" in high school and at prestigious Yale University, and "he was 20 years in the most august debating society in the world, in the United States Senate," White House communications director Dan Bartlett told reporters as Bush held mock debates.

http://international.news.designerz.com/bush-kerry-prepare-for-first-debate.html

[NNadir]

19. Bush has been able to lie in every debate he's engaged in, and no

one could call him on his lies, because his record was obscure.

Still, you are right in that complacency is always dangerous. We need to be focused. History will not forgive us if we lose this election.

[umtalal]

21. I have high expectations from George...all the way to the moon.

[pmbryant]

22. Yes. He has nowhere to go but up.

Any meager improvement in Bush's demeanor or performance will likely be spun as a huge victory for him. His last performance was so miserable that he cannot help but do better next time.

--Peter

[Fleshdancer]

23. Questions about the next debate....

Is the next Kerry/* debate the town hall debate or is that the 3rd one? Are the next two debates both going to focus on domestic issues?

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. ....and if Kerry hadn't smuggled the notes in and all....

;) :hi:

[Stephanie]

25. George Bush will be AWESOME on domestic policy

Foreign policy just wasn't his strong suit. Plus, he was tired and cranky from a long day of fishing and bike riding and greeting hurricane victims. But on Friday he will make sure to take a nappy on his pilly in the afternoon, and then WATCH OUT Kerry. A well-rested Chimp is well night a debating GENIUS.

[txindy]

27. I'm already overwhelmed by *'s performance in the next debate

I just read the summary of what will happen this coming Friday night. ABCNews used their time-bending skills, again. Sure saves me a lot of time. * wins the 2nd debate. No doubt about it.

[BootinUp]

28. strong performance...

compared to a stalk of broccoli. lol.