Who Thinks that the Bush Nazi Story has legs and can help defeat Bush?

[seventhson]

It was my belief in 2000 and it continues to be my belief that if the Amrican public KNEW the extent of the ties of the Bushes to Hitler and the fact that they were prosecuted under the trading with the enemy act DURING WWII, and that Dubya and his father are surrounded by Nazi-type neocons and profiteered HUGELY from the Nazi extermination camps - using these death profits to prop themselves into power, that many people: Jews, Vets, WWII vets and their children, baby boomers, generation X, and pretty much anyone intelligent would NEVER EVER vote for a Bush ever again.


People SAY that even mentioning it or discussing the Bush Nazi history (let alone trying to educate people as to its significance to what is happening now historically) hurts Kerry.

I am bent on making as much noise about this as possible and every day I tell people this story of Bush and the Nazis and they just mostly clam up. They do not know the story and they are dumbfounded.

And they usually dismiss it as balmy CT.

But it is not.

What do we do?


Who is right?

[asthmaticeog]

1. About half of the neocons are Jewish,

as are the founders of that school of thought. So slinging the word Nazi around won't stick. And anyway, no matter how hateful someone is, you don't hang him for his grandfather's crimes. He has plenty of his own.

[saracat]

2. The Bush family supported the Nazi's and no one cares.

It isn't today's issue.

[MADem]

3. I agree.

Leave it to the historians. If the hold of BushCo can be broken, the story will eventually be broken wide as well. We need to get rid of the weecowboy first, and let the truth of his misdeeds and the misdeeds of his ancestors become part of our history.

Right now, we need to focus on what a fuckup he is on his best subject: national security!

[dave123williams]

4. Calling * a Nazi is an insult to Nazis.

So, stop saying that. His GRANDFATHER was the Nazi.

[Barney Rocks]

5. I love the Nazi

thing--I say slam him with it whenever you can. But--very few people are going to hold someone responsible for the things their grandfather did. Hey--they don't even hold him responsible for what his father did. This is actually one of the good things about America--we judge people by what THEY have done (and he is screwed there). So--I don't think you will get lots of miles out of it--but use it if you can!

[shoopnyc123]

6. I feel at this point that anything in the past will not be dealt with.....

...seriously by the electorate...

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

7. If you want to go down this road, go right ahead.

I'm afraid I won't be joining you. Look, Bush is not a Nazi. His grandfather may have been, but he's not, and this has no bearing on the campaign, or the current political climate. I say let it die.

[lapauvre]

8. I don't like terms like Nazi

However, I have never known a one party dictatorship to be of any advantage to a republic or a democracy. I care about now, and history repeating itself.

[secular_warrior]

9. Bush is not a Nazi. He is a Christiano-facist neocon. But not a Nazi.

Focusing on these "deep, dark" conspiratorial type of things only serves to trivilalize the REAL evils Bush has done in plain sight over the past 4 years, and shifts focus off the real issues. If we say "Bush is a Nazi" - that is so over-the-top it would make all our other charges seem like bullshit.

Trust me. Rove WANTS Democrats to get into this Nazi stuff with Bush. The Nazi grandfather/father stuff didn't take down Arnold -- and he was running in a liberal state , what makes you think it would take down Bush ?

The minute we start getting into something which happened so many years ago, which this Bush was not even involved in.. it gets swing voters saying "why the hell are these idiots focusing on such ancient history" -- which is what most swing voters said about more recent history than WWII when the whole Swift Liar - TANG - Vietnam debate monopolized the news last month (i.e. "It happened 30 years ago.. focus on today's war") etc etc.

These "ancient history" debates don't help us. They help Bush by keeping the focus off of his record as pResident.

[baltodemvet]

10. Agree entirely

If you hadn't written that, I would have to do it.

:thumbsup:

And I'm Jewish, by the way.

[seventhson]

11. What 's the difference?

Basically it is true that the word "Nazi" was dumped when it became no longer viable. The new brand and logo for the same product is "W"

And the philosophy of Naziism remained the same from Prescott's generation to this one.

I am appalled that people do not understand these historical flows of fascist continuity.

To me the term Nazi is interchangeable with Fascist. Nazi, though, expresses it better.

As for Kissinger, Wolfowitz, Perle, Sharon and the rest of the neoconservative Jews - I consider them to be Nazis too.

The only minor difference is that the anti-Semitic ideal espoused by the Bushes - and embraced by the actions of Jewish neocons like good Judenrat - is the fundamentalist "ideal" of total control. The neocon Jews, will, I believe, use Bush to get their own power in the same way that many neoconservative Jews embrace Christian fundamentalists. Even though the goal of the Christian fundamentalists is the destruction of Judaism, the Jewish right-wingers, knowing that no messiah is going to come and destroy them, want to get the land and temple mount back and will work with these Bush rightwingers to get those things despirte the idealogical differences.

Bush knows that this alliance with Sharon is expedient for him because of the amount of power involved. But it does not negate the antiSemitic roots of Bush's idealogy and the ultimate goal of global Aryan domination. As long as the neocon Jews work with Bush and share the goal of power, they are both happy.

But that does not mean they are not Nazis idealogically and for all practical purposes - literally. Global power in the hands of a few elites who are predominatly Anglo-German Aryans. If it lets Likud and the neocons survive and thrive, then they will support Bush despite the racist antiSemitic roots.

It saddens me that people are naive about the historical flow from Auschwitz to Abu Ghraib. The gravest danger we face is if the wool is pulled over our eyes and we do not recognize the significance of this history and confront it and TEACH it to all who will listen.

Anything else, neglecting it, is suicidal for humanity.

[seventhson]

12. f^cK ALL KICK

NT

[ShaneGR]

13. may fire up the base, but will help us lose the election

Can we just talk about his failed policies? That's how we win.

[beaconess]

14. Accusing Bush of aligning with the most notorious and evil entity in

modern times only serves to diminish the damage that he really does.

Bush is not a Nazi. He is a failed president. Let's focus on the reality and stop with the hysteria.

[althecat]

15. I wish you were right and he was just a failed president...

... but far too much evidence I have seen points to him and his family being a great deal more toxic than that.

[beaconess]

17. You may be right - but he's not a Nazi.

it doesn't do us any good to engage in overkill.

Bush is not a Nazi and most people don't think he is. So accusing him of such only makes the accuser look ridiculous and untrustworthy, diminishing every other claim, even those with merit.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

16. Nah

I just think no one will care. Especially because it goes back to before he was BORN! Heck, if they don't care that he skipped out on Guard duty, what makes anyone think that the public will care about this?

I'm all for taking him down, but let's take him down with all the ammo he's given us in the last four years. There's plenty to go around, believe me.

(P.S. I think he's already toast, but I'm not letting up.)