If Massive Election Fraud is perceived

[PCIntern]

to have taken place on 11/2, what will happen?

I agree with the poster on another thread that *'s sneer that "It won't happen" is reminiscent of that hotel room on Selection Night 2000 when * denied that FL was Gore's and the old man looked really nervous. He know what was going on and feaeed that people would find out.

If NJ, FL, OH, PA are in the * column, no matter how the truly independent polls (such as they are) look a priori, what will people do? Gnash their teeth and post on the Internet? Take to the streets? What?

[Clinton Crusader]

1. Im SO GLAD you said this!!!

reminiscent of that hotel room on Selection Night 2000 when * denied that FL was Gore's and the old man looked really nervous. He know what was going on and feaeed that people would find out.

It was SO OBVIOUS that something was really really wrong right there. As soon as the media gave FL to Gore, the bushies all rushed over to a press conference 110% dead sure it was wrong. We KNOW we won, it's not correct.

How in the WORLD could ANYONE be so sure unless they KNEW the fix was in?? It was right there in front of EVERYONE before all the results were even IN. They all looked very nervous, thinking somehow their plan had gone awry. We commented on it that night, saying over and over 'How could they KNOW they won?'

It was right there in front of the whole country to see, but NO ONE picked up on it.
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
:kick:

[PCIntern]

2. My wife and I did...

we looked at each other and said, "Uh-oh."

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. I watched that

I picked up on it but who am I? :shrug: For that matter, like the lying election thief bush* bastard said, "Who cares what we think"? And don't think for one moment that the Thief in Charge doesn't intend to do it again. He made the comment yesterday in Fl. that he knows he will "win" Fl. again. :grr: I read on the MSGOP crawler this morning that 1000's of voters won't be able to vote in Fl because their voter registration forms weren't filled out completely. And how many are aware of that?

[MsMagnificent]

3. This cut & pasted from Freepers

"Dubya will still be the President come November 3, 2004.
That's right... no matter who wins...:-) Sorry, I couldn't resist."


***They know exactly what's going to happen in their "Fair and Balanced" party; and have NO qualms about it!

*Disgusted*

[Clinton Crusader]

6. freepers are PROUD of stealing the election

they KNOW they didnt win, they KNOW Gore is the President and this asshat is an illegimate pResident, and they think it's just dandy. As I often say, what if it were all reversed? Anyone care to paint a scenario of hannity, rush, etc if they had actually COUNTED the votes and Gore was President?

I know this is old ground, but it's something to think about, what WOULD be going on for lo these four years if Gore was in and all the little freepers felt disenfranchised?

They WOULD have a revolution and we have to start thinking this way.
:kick:

[MsMagnificent]

19. Politics is one thing

...that lower and middle class people, when disenfranchised, will riot about, from the Revolution to the 20th Century.
And there's alot of baad karma still left from the last election.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

29. technically, that's true... he will be president on nov 3

but not for long.

[bloom]

30. It is sad that they want to live in a such a screwed up country

I have a hard time reconciling it - like they WANT to live in a fascist state... :shrug:

[TexasSissy]

4. I'm middleaged and have never protested in my life. But if I think

there was any fraud in the upcoming election resulting in a * win..... I WILL TAKE TO THE STREETS!!! I am not going to take it lying down. I don't know if it'll do any good. But I'm going to have my voice join others and let my anger be known to everyone, and esp. to politicians and lawmakers. I expect my VOTE to be protected. This is, after all, what America is all about.

I have EARNED the right to have a free election free from fraud. That is my RIGHT. If I wouldn't sell it for a tax cut, I'm sure as hell not going to give it away.

[PCIntern]

7. I've protested and faced military with rifles

and fixed baynets, cops with tear gas and nightsticks.

I'm middle aged too - it isn't exciting, it isn't 'fun' and it is very dangerous and although you used to get laid a lot by the women you'd meet on the protest, you cna get laid now without geting your entrails shot our or the crap beaten out of you. It's real easy to say you'd take to the streets, but let me just tell you that you've got to be prepared to be injured and/or die. No question about it. We were mad during Vietnam but I recall sitting in the bus coming inot DC for one fo the marches and thinking that I'd rather face the VC than get shot by one of these Americans holding a rifle.

It is no shit frightening. I'm worried for the people of this country - we are facing a problem as a nation no matter who wins on 11/2. We better hold onto our hats.

[Clinton Crusader]

5. What WILL we do if this happens again???

which OF COURSE is a distinct possibility.

What WILL happen? Poeple in other countries are watching this one BECAUSE of 2000. It's already happening. OH, now FL is saying people didnt fill out their registration forms correctly and they will be turned away.

If this happens again and there isnt a revolution of some kind, Im afraid we've lost the country and might as well get used to be prisoners or simply leave the country to escape, like the night Castro took over Cuba.
:kick:

[teryang]

8. There's a good chance they will be impeached

They won't finish their term. I think that certain powers that be, who may be supporters now will finally understand that even their conservative interests will be irretrievably compromised by following the "resolute" leadership over the cliff with their arrogant notion they are operating in a "new world since 911." Creating a police state at home won't protect them from what will happen to their overseas interests.

The politics of brute force and intimidation bring forth the reaction of no holds barred resistance with all that that entails.

It also evokes the secret machinations of intelligence services of our alleged allies and targeted enemies. It is safe to say now that there are powerful regional forces in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Iran all arrayed against us. Their advantages are geographical, cultural, and logistical. They are almost completely impermeable to our intelligence services except by technical means. While they give the appearance of cooperation on the surface, there are powerful elements opposing the "great game" policy objectives. Our humint is almost completely lacking. If they are seriously engaged on new fronts they will receive limited diplomatic and covert support from China and Russia. If North Korea isn't handled right, it will receive major overt support from China, which we can't handle with any proportionate conventional response. Nobody wants to fight this war, including the power elite asian experts. Bolten and Cheney are out on limb playing the bad cops.

This administration can't decide whether they are globalists or colonialists. This will be their downfall.

[PCIntern]

9. Impeached by Tom DeLay?

Please...this ain't 1973...

[teryang]

12. Impeachment is only a few documents away

I don't believe that this country is governed by the Congress. If certain proofs were publicly adduced, (say concerning 911, anthrax, or other macro crimes) the administration would have to be impeached regardless of who controls congress. Such developements are only attendant to the directions of the leadership of the most powerful families and financial institutions in America. The party in power would be irrelevant.

Much of what is going on today in America is a young turks phenomenon. That is what you find in the pre-fascist, militaristic phase. Powerful up and coming promoters of the movement, nominally empowered by the elite interests of the traditional ruling caste of families, can be cashiered at will, when the word is put out that they are no longer favored.

This could take place by the election or after the election. Impeachment is the legal process for it. Indictments and resignation are another. Other options exist as we know from historical events.

Of course, the elites may overstay their hand, and lose their very real power to the extremists they have placed at the formal levers of government power. This happens as well. I'm not predicting the future but outlining the possibilities.

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. DeLay's in deep shit of his own at the moment

Hopefully he will be gone after November. Even if Junior isn't :scared:

[annabanana]

10. I don't think they can "take" congress the same way they

can "take" the presidency. There are too many races and too many people involved. If we get the house this election, impeachment proceeding can be started.

[PCIntern]

11. ...harder than you think, unfortunately.

There will be those soul-less Dems who don't want the country 'torn apart' by another impeachment, or who have skeletons in theeri own closets.

These people play Hardball, not of the Tweety variety either...

[ClassWarrior]

13. General strike - everybody stays home from work and school.

Shut down the nation. Take to the streets. Sit ins at Federal Buildings. Whatever it takes.

If Kerry doesn't win - or doesn't win decisively - some measure of this WILL happen. There are segments of us who WILL be very vocal about this, and rightly so. It's only in our interests to join them. I've learned my lesson from 2000 and that is this: I'd rather make a lot of noise about Bush* corruption and be proven wrong (tho not likely, I think), than to sit at home with my hands in my lap hoping everyone will play nice.

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[ClassWarrior]

16. And if Kerry DOES win - by any measure, large or small...

...we shout "LANDSLIDE" from the rooftops.

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[Tsiyu]

18. And thus it shall be

The shouting.

And I can be counted as one who would sacrifice my life right now - for my kids sake - if it would assure a Kerry win.

If * wins, it will be through foul means. There is no other way around that. And I will be very vocal this time. * has torn this nation to shreds. He and the evil minions he works for must be imprisoned, not put in charge four more years.

It could get very ugly, but freedom is worth it.

[Vincardog]

17. General strike it is. Punch them in their pocketbooks.

After we win and the crooked evoteing scandal hits.

[girl gone mad]

20. If that happens..

I'll go wherever and do whatever the Kerry campaign wants me to do.

Gore was not prepared to or willing to fight. I very firmly believe that Kerry is both prepared and willing, and so am I.

[ClassWarrior]

21. Agreed. If they lead the fight, I will follow.

But fight we must - NO MATTER WHAT.

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[girl gone mad]

23. You're right.

I will fight no matter what, but Kerry must stay true to his word about never wilting. We let Gore wilt. I won't make that mistake again.

[ClassWarrior]

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[annabanana]

24. join this group... votewatch

Part of common Cause..

http://www.votewatch.us/

[ClassWarrior]

25. Thanks Anna...

There's also http://www.electionprotection.org - from PFAW and NAACP.

Plus the JK/JE campaign will conduct their own poll watch.

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[ClassWarrior]

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[MsMagnificent]

27. Bottom line is

this "presidency" and it's neo-con minions have divided the country unprecedented except for the Revolutionary and the Civil Wars.
And them ain't good omens. When Kerry supporters are attacked merely for advertising their choice, we have reached one alarming level of Fascism.

*edit: When a party controls the media - WHO will be impeached? Not the leader of said party, that's for sure!

Indeed I wonder if (IF we get out of this alive! With these type of KKKristians I'm starting to become an Apocalypitc kook myself!) the Republican Party could survive an even greater scandal than the Nixon years, "Reaganomics" and the past stolen election. I hate to say this, as it's the beloved party of Abe himself --albeit he would find it unrecognizable today-- but so much, too much evil has come out from them in the past few decades, I really don't think they'll survive it.

And clearly, this pathetic misdirected Iraq war will haunt us as a people with repercussions for decades if not a hundred years.

There are 2 classes right now, really; and more and more it's becoming between the Have's and the Have-Not's.... but why worry about centuries of American Progress and good for the common man when the super-rich can just make more money?
Indeed the slogan "Go Fuck Yourself - Vote Republican" is entirely too appropos.

Well, that's the Bottom Line IMO :D
BTW, did Reagan ever rise from the dead? The way they were carrying on....

[ClassWarrior]

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[mahina]

31. Read Gene Sharp's 'The Anti-Coup' avail. for free

The Anti-Coup
by Gene Sharp and Bruce Jenkins
"As coups are one of the primary ways through which dictatorships are installed, this piece details measures that civilians, civil society, and governments can take to prevent and block coups d’état and executive usurpations. It also contains specific legislative steps and other measures that governments and non-governmental institutions can follow to prepare for anti-coup resistance"

you can get it for free at the albert einstein peace institute website, as well as other wonderful books such as from Dictatorship to Democracy. Gene Sharp has devoted his life to this kind of practical scholarship and has worked all over the world for peace with tremendous effectiveness.

The url where books are listed: http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations.php3?orgid=88&typeID=16&action=printContentItem&itemID=31&templateID=37&sortField=alpha

Also if your library has a copy of the PBS video 'A Force More Pwerful" you can watch the nonviolent resistance that WORKED in Poland, Chile, South Africa, and Denmark.

Resist!