OFFICIAL BUSH-KERRY DEBATE THREAD #10

[Skinner]

For those of you who feel like participating in an official play-by-play thread about tonight's presidential debate, here's another.

You aren't required to post in here. If you want to start your own threads, you can. This is just provided for those who want it.

When this approaches 100 replies, we'll open another thread.

Enjoy!

NOTE: After the debate, we encourage DU members to help spread the Kerry message. There is a thread pinned to the top of the General Discussion: Campaign 2004 forum which has talking points, links, and other resources to help you out.

[GiovanniC]

1. Or as my opponent would say.... "Nuke-YOU-ler Proliferation"

[SoCalDemocrat]

141. CNN/AP article slanted and misses Bush lies

I've already contacted CNN Politics Editor with my feedback below.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/debate.fact.c...

The CNN/AP Article: "Iraq, terror record stretched two ways" purports to point out mistruths from the debate. However it hardly touches upon the Bush mis-truths in the coverage. I've identified two already and will write the editor to complain that they update their article. I suggest DU members analyze the article and provide their own coverage of other Bush lies that I have missed. Note watch for it in other publications, as AP articles get sold to multiple outlets.

DEBATE TRANSCRIPT:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/debate.transc...

REPLY HERE WITH LIES YOU FIND IN THE BUSH DEBATE TRANSCRIPT:

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form6.html?1


INTELLIGENCE REPORT LIE

Lehrer to Kerry:
"Colossal misjudgments." What colossal misjudgments, in your opinion, has President Bush made in these areas?

BUSH: "My opponent looked at the same intelligence I looked at and declared in 2002 that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat."

FACT: Bush actually receives far more detailed and often classified reports. Bush received a classified Intelligence Report from the CIA which we now know was heavily altered by the Bush administration then released in declassified form to Congress and Senator Kerry in order to bolster the WMD claims and case for war against Iraq.


RAPID VICTORY LIE

LEHRER: New question, Mr. President, two minutes. You have said there was a "miscalculation" of what the conditions would be in postwar Iraq. What was the miscalculation, and how did it happen?

BUSH: No, what I said was that, because we achieved such a rapid victory, more of the Saddam loyalists were around. I mean, we thought we'd whip more of them going in.

But because Tommy Franks did such a great job in planning the operation, we moved rapidly, and a lot of the Baathists and Saddam loyalists laid down their arms and disappeared. I thought they would stay and fight, but they didn't.

And now we're fighting them now. And it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work.

FACT:

Bush lied about Baathist Loyalists being being behind recent attacks in Iraq. This was an excuse given early in the post "Mission Accomplished" Iraq as a reason for the resistance. Since Saddam's capture the administration has dropped this excuse, until tonight. We know that a lot of attacks are attributed to Zarqawi, part of Ansar al Islam, and also to Al Sadr and his Shiite movement. Few attacks in past months, if any at all, are attributed to former Saddam Baathist Loyalists (who are part of the Suuni minority).

[Guava Jelly]

2. kerry is trouncing the chimp if his polls dont improve then

we know for a fact they are fake

[Kierkegaard]

13. Chimp is getting a serious ass stomping.

I almost feel sorry for him... almost.

This schlub is finally being exposed as the f^$king idiot he is(not that we didn't already know that.)

[LittleClarkie]

3. I'm glad he mentioned A New War

So happy tonight.

[complain jane]

4. Kerry just did an amazing thing.

His statement about having to change course as you learn new information practically had Bush chopped down to bits and the moment Bush replied saying that he WILL change course when need be simply said that Kerry was right, Bush is wrong, and the entire night had the tone of a teacher (Kerry) teaching a pupil (Bush).

I couldn't have DREAMT a better debate.

[complain jane]

10. Bush looks like a child next to Kerry. In demeanor, intellect and size.

[Thrill]

5. Kerry needs to bump up the

insults

[NEOBuckeye]

Why? There's no need. He's hammering Bush on intellect and facts alone.

[DemoTex]

6. Kerry 10. Bu$h 0.

Slam-dunk tonight. Let's see how the GOP spins this fiasco for Bu$h.

[Demonaut]

bush's weakness will be praised by the press tomorrow

no doubt the will run to his side for being bullied by an elite

[Demonaut]

22. bush's weakness will be praised by the press tomorrow

no doubt they will run to his side for being bullied by an elite

[Kurovski]

65. And yet Georgy is the one actually so elite

that the press will squat down to kiss his gold-plated ass.

[AntiFascist]

7. We have increased funding....

for proliferating nukes, don't you mean Mr. President?

[charlie105]

8. Total meltdown in Freeperland. God, this is beautiful!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1231992/posts?q=1&&page=1655#1655

[johnfunk]

21. Hahaha -- the big "BWAAAAAAAH!" from Fresno

[Rainbowreflect]

58. A freeper actually said the "proof" that the media is against

bush is that both Kerry & bush are wearing white shirts, but Kerry's is tinted blue while bush's is tinted pink (gay, I guess).
Of course Kerry is wearing a red tie, bush is wearing a blue one. Could that maybe have something to do with it.
What an idiot.

[Kurovski]

113. Or the freep's crappy tv set.

+

[lakemonster11]

137. Kerry's red tie

I think that Kerry's red tie makes him look better against the blue background.

[proud2BlibKansan]

101. check this out

from the freepers:

"but Kerry owns Bush in this debate.

He absolutely does. Bush should have killed Kerry on Sudan. Thrown the UN back in his face. Said that we've taken this to the UN and the UN is sitting on its hands.

Most all, he could have said "why is the Senator favoring our intervention in Sudan, when he says we shouldn't have gone into Iraq?"


Yippa dee doo dah

[proud2BlibKansan]

102. check this out

from the freepers:

"but Kerry owns Bush in this debate.

He absolutely does. Bush should have killed Kerry on Sudan. Thrown the UN back in his face. Said that we've taken this to the UN and the UN is sitting on its hands.

Most all, he could have said "why is the Senator favoring our intervention in Sudan, when he says we shouldn't have gone into Iraq?"


Yippa dee doo dah

[proud2BlibKansan]

104. check this out

from the freepers:

"but Kerry owns Bush in this debate.

He absolutely does. Bush should have killed Kerry on Sudan. Thrown the UN back in his face. Said that we've taken this to the UN and the UN is sitting on its hands.

Most all, he could have said "why is the Senator favoring our intervention in Sudan, when he says we shouldn't have gone into Iraq?"


Yippa dee doo dah

[proud2BlibKansan]

108. from the freepers:

"but Kerry owns Bush in this debate.
He absolutely does. Bush should have killed Kerry on Sudan. Thrown the UN back in his face. Said that we've taken this to the UN and the UN is sitting on its hands.
Most all, he could have said "why is the Senator favoring our intervention in Sudan, when he says we shouldn't have gone into Iraq?"
Yippa dee doo dah

[proud2BlibKansan]

109. from the freepers:

"but Kerry owns Bush in this debate.
He absolutely does. Bush should have killed Kerry on Sudan. Thrown the UN back in his face. Said that we've taken this to the UN and the UN is sitting on its hands.
Most all, he could have said "why is the Senator favoring our intervention in Sudan, when he says we shouldn't have gone into Iraq?"
Yippa dee doo dah

[SkipNewarkDE]

9. Trans-shipment

What the fuck does that mean? Is that a word?

[johnfunk]

11. Kerry has his issue: proliferation!

Er, uh, we've increased funding, uh yeah, I 'gree with my 'poenit...

This is almost painful to watch

[Gold Metal Flake]

BANG! Goes another kanga (*) on the bonnet of the van (JFK).

With apologies to Kate Bush. No relation, I'm sure.

[Jade Fox]

Bush almost called Kerry "the President"?

[drscm]

12. Kerry only used the issue of nuclear proliferation only to hear *bush try

to say it. (just kidding)

[Peanut Gallery]

14. In Bush's answer right now

He sounds like he's wearing an earpiece.

[spooked]

15. YES!! Kerry would shut down our bomb making!

[JPJones]

16. Kerry - Presedent. Bush - Mayor of Simpleton. n/t

[crickets]

17. NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION

Kerry didn't even miss a beat. He's crushing Bush on this point. * has been scurrying after the oil and Halliburton favors so hard and fast, he's cut programs or ignored the threat.

DU Bunker buster program to be shut down because we are serious about preventing nuclear proliferation. Following Kennedy's lead.

Bush is so lost, he's groping and "misleading" all over the place.

GO JOHN!

[Dudley_DUright]

18. National Missle Defense

We are researching it????? You just deployed a system without testing it!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rooktoven]

19. Did * really say..

My SO thinks he almost said " I agree with the p-- my opponent..

[GaryL]

32. Calling Dr. Freud?

[tjwash]

20. Bush is just stammering from one non-sequitur to another...

Game-set-match Kerry. There will probably not be another debate.

[Forge]

30. Totally agree...lets just hope people were watching.

Kerry was confident and absolutely convincing. Very presidential.

[NastyRiffraff]

23. Post from a Freeper!

To: Amore


THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

We may have lost the election tonight.


From your mouth to the voters' ears!

[crickets]

31. AMEN! (nt)

[marigold20]

Yes!!

Let's hope

[kodi]

24. kerry spoke of bush's attempt to cut nunn -lugar bill

happenened in 2001 bush tried to cut funding to pay for disposal of soviet nukes and for salaries for ex-soviet nuclear scientists so they would not sell their talents on the black market.

its why today that dick lugar, that pinko commie senator from indiana considers bush an idiot.

[brooklynite]

25. Gee, Bush insisted on having Foreign Policy as the first debate...

because that was his strong suit. I hate to think what he's going to do with Domestic policy.....

[johnfunk]

26. Misjudging Pootie-Poot! but... but... we're SOULMATES!

[krkaufman]

27. NAIL HIM KERRY... "I didn't put sanctions on Iran, previous admin did"

Dear god, Bush has totally opened himself up on this one.

He just admitted to not doing ANYTHING against Iran, other than continuing someone else's policy.

Didn't 9/11 change everything? Didn't * classify Iran as a member of the Axis of Evil?

Wouldn't these two things have warranted perhaps revisiting the previous sanctions?@!?! (Or would that have affected Halliburton's profits?)

---

I'm 5 minutes behind and am praying that Kerry nails him on this. Though I have little hope that he will. Bush has tossed-up a number of softballs that Kerry has totally bypassed.

[Ellen Forradalom]

28. Kim Jing Il?

Is that Hussein bin Laden's cousin?

That's Jong, not Jing, pal.

[Cheswick2.0]

kim jim il, kim Chung Il

I think Kim Jim Il is my favorite.

[mconvente]

29. this isnt even close

If the freepers are crying to their mommies, then we have it in the bag. Kerry is destroying bush.

[johnfunk]

36. Vladamuur and Kin Jing Il

He is SO OVER!

[Forge]

Best result we could possibly have wished for....

[gordianot]

61. I checked they are soiling their pants.

[Blue_Roses]

33. Kerry needs to go back and address China and North Korea

China wants NK to "play nice" 'cause they don't want to have to bail them out so anyone on the playground who can help them play right is ok with China .:eyes:

[hyphenate]

"We've got to have

checks and balances in a democracy"? So what the fuck is wrong with you, when you are enjoying unfettered powers for waging unilateral war on Iraq?

[tjwash]

Milking the fear angle for all he can get.

terrorist, blah blah blah, nukular terra, blah blah blah...

[LearnedHand]

"Proliferation is the centerpiece of our policy"?????

I HOPE he meant NON-proliferation. :wtf:

[Girlieman]

34. Unless Kerry Vomits

His poll numbers go up 10 points

5 points if he vomits

[complain jane]

45. And only 3 if he takes a dump on the stage.

[slutticus]

50. Man....bush is fucked....

...and i'm not just being biased

[spooked]

35. By the way, Kerry scored HUGE when he paused at the

beginning to give his condolences to the people of Florida for their recent hardships. Reminded me of Clinton...FAR MORE Presidential.

[spooked]

56. The issue is what you do about it

[funkybutt]

37. "able to disagree in a way...uh....that's productive" re: "Vladmeer"

[truth2power]

38. Good relationship with VLADIMIR?

Geez!!

[johnfunk]

48. They're SOULMATES, truth2power

They're in love -- with authoritarianism and power.

[AntiFascist]

39. And, Mr. President, what are the great benefits of democracy?

to be able to change your leadership?

[AbbeyRoad]

40. Vlad and I kick it on the weekends

Do we talk about world leaders using only their first names?

And democracies need checks and balances. Your fucking skippy they do. Let's get back to that, shall we?

[Peanut Gallery]

41. Great response from Kerry on Russia

n/t

[Hobo]

42. vlad-a-mer, vlad-a-mer

what a fecking moran.

Hobo

[RobertSeattle]

54. George, You don't refer to world leaders in the first person

[bobbieinok]

43. freepers plan to freep post debate polls

ATTENTION FREEPERS-

PLEASE DON’T FORGET TO GO TO THE FOLLOWING WEB SITES AND NUMBERS AND FREEP THE POST DEBATE POLLS THAT THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO HAVE.

The DNC has a blitz of these planned. We must counter them.

Polls are supposed to be at the following-

[ReadTomPaine]

44. Get ready for some GOP whoppers after this debate tonight...

They are certain to pull the long knives, politically speaking.

RTP

[mconvente]

75. closing statements

This is an absolute win for Kerry! This is amazing! Kerry is so progressive and bush is a whore. I love Kerry!!!!!!

[mconvente]

81. all volunteer army

yeah right chimpy...

[baby_bear]

I wonder if "Vladimir" refers to Bush as "George" in public

Hey, Vlad, you okay with that?

s_m

[marigold20]

71. I thought it was Pootie-Poot.

..

[hyphenate]

"We've got to have checks and balances

"We've got to have checks and balances in a democracy"? So what the fuck is wrong with you, when you are enjoying unfettered powers for waging unilateral war on Iraq?

[alexisfree]

46. bush:were is my dad when I need him???

[Cheswick2.0]

47. Just because the President says it can't be done.............

doesn't mean it can't be done.

[texas1928]

49. Lehrer is helping him with his rebuttals

:wtf:

[slutticus]

60. And bush is still fucking it up!!!!!

[AntiFascist]

67. He should have asked...

Mr. President, can you elaborate on the lies you've told?

[johnfunk]

70. That's because Lehrer has campassion for the mentally handicapped

Now that's compassionate conservatism!

[Blue_Roses]

51. YESSSSSSSSSSS!

Kerry DID come back to the China and NK issue--YESSSSSSSS!

[WI_DEM]

52. "I'm a calm guy"

couldn't tell tonight.

[johnfunk]

53. Bush reduced to MUMBLING!

[RafterMan]

55. We are losssst, precioussss

Looossssssst.

[kestrel91316]

126. Best post of the night, you get a gold star!!!!!!!!

[funkybutt]

57. BWAHAHA! He wasn't even listening! Lehrer "are you paying attn?"

[Jade Fox]

93. Did Lerher really say that?

[cal04]

59. It's not what the american people got when they voted

[alexisfree]

62. bush is making doodles!

[Bluebear]

69. PLaying tic tac toe with himself

[GiovanniC]

77. And Losing.

Wait for him to realize that X blocked the win again, and to scream "MOTHERFUCK!" right in the middle of the debate.

[alexisfree]

hahahahha that is so priceless!!!!!!!!!

[canuckybee]

63. I just checked out freeperville and

another conservative site. I expected to hear that Bush was winning hands down....I did not. Most are unhappy with his performance. Several even suggested Bush is wearing an earpiece.....they say he is hesitating too much before answering.

[GiovanniC]

64. "My Fellow Americans...."

Very presidential.

[whalerider55]

66. anyone else notice...

that bush rarely used all his time available to answer the questions?

whalerider55

[Forge]

74. or that Kerry's responses were all perfectly timed?

[katusha]

68. kerry looks like an eagle, bush looks like a rabbit

[NastyRiffraff]

72. The Bushies have already set the stage...

For backing out of the next two debates...the silly "signing" of the agreement, by the Debate Commission.

No way are they gonna allow another trainwreck.

[crickets]

73. Oh, my

Lehrer is having to lead Bush through his own rebuttal, and * basically shrugs and has nothing to say. Oh, it's painful to watch. I'm so glad he's shown his true idiocy, but it hurts to think this is the man with his finger on the button. Yow.


Kerry, straight to the camera: I defended this country in war as a young man, and I will defend it again... The future belongs to freedom, NOT to fear!

GO JOHN!!

[truth2power]

97. That was pathetic!

Lehrer had to actually prompt him. Good Gawd!!

[krkaufman]

76. Bush just seems lost. Any reasonable media would just skewer him.

STICK A FORK IN *, HE'S DONE...!!!

[kitkatrose]

78. "I believe the future belongs to freedom not fear."

That's the best line tonight. I bet Rove is shitting his pants cuz he didn't think of that.

[gordianot]

89. He doesn't know where the shit ends and his pants start.

[Dudley_DUright]

94. Excellent line for Kerry

Contrast that with "I have climbed the mighty mountain and seen the valley below" for Bush. :wtf:

[Swamp Rat]

79. Geaux Kerry!

Make us proud Kerry! :kick:

[lwcon]

80. If there's no kerry bounce after this..

I'll have to slit my wrists.

[tjwash]

88. It just means the polls are bullshit, that's all.

[HarrietBrown]

82. My husband thinks * is blinking SOS with his eyes

[HarrietBrown]

83. My husband thinks * is blinking SOS with his eyes

[Anarcho-Socialist]

144. Excessive blinking is often a sign that someone is lying n/t

[Lovecrafty]

84. If this debate was suppose to cover *'s STRONGEST area...

...then the next two debates are going to be a cakewalk for Kerry! I seriously expected Bush to at least put up enough a fight to give FOX enough soundbites to declare him the winner, but this is a ROUT!! Kerry has completely blown Bush out of the water and I don't see how the media can effectively cover Bush's ass on this one! Any pundit that would declare this debate a win for Bush has all the debate skills of a 3RD Grader!! Who can take anyone seriously that claims a stuttering, water swilling, pleading voiced shrub even came CLOSE to the calm and statesmanlike presence of John Kerry?!?

My verdict:

KERRY WINS IN A LANDSLIDE...TONIGHT AND ON NOV 2!!!!

[ReadTomPaine]

85. Really quite impressive Kerry performance...

... even when you factor out how poorly Bush performed.

RTP

[johnfunk]

86. I'll bet a an average sophomore at St. Albans could've made * look bad.

Awful. He KNOWS he's over.

[David Zephyr]

87. Let Me Say It Now, Well Done President Kerry.

President John F. Kerry.

[aquart]

142. Do me a favor? Omit the "F." Kerry does.

I don't want any asshole with an assault weapon thinking history should repeat.

[crickets]

90. Oh, my

Lehrer had to lead Bush through his own rebuttal, and * basically shrugs and has nothing to say. Oh, it's painful to watch. I'm so glad he's shown his true idiocy, but it hurts to think this is the man with his finger on the button. Yow.


Kerry, straight to the camera: I defended this country in war as a young man, and I will defend it again... The future belongs to freedom, NOT to fear!

GO JOHN!!

[Cha]

107. Brilliant closing line!

Kerry was magnificent!

[AntiFascist]

91. Well, on the split screen.....

Kerry certainly looked more confident and presidential, less desperate. We'll see what the pundits say...

[ReadTomPaine]

100. Loved the constant split screen on CSpan.

[ReadTomPaine]

114. Scarborough Spin - Kerry great, but it won't matter to Bush supporters..

And the Professor/Cowboy tags.

[lakemonster11]

138. I love his notetaking.

Kerry's (occasional) hesitations make him look thoughtful---Bush's make him look like he's grasping for straws.

[Kurovski]

92. "Valley of peace"?

Now Bush is a fucking poet. Oh fer crissakes!

[GiovanniC]

98. Meant to Evoke Religious Imagery

[Kurovski]

122. Thus, "fer crissakes".

Even the Bible won't save George from his own incompetence.

And I actually don't believe that it ever "saved" him the first time , either.

[Peanut Gallery]

99. Well, the economy cratered over the last four years

maybe that's where his imaginary valley is located.

[Kurovski]

123. Speaking of which...

I just recieved a pamphlet relaying how high electric costs have gone in the "...past four years...".

[nomatrix]

134. Valley of Peas

from the Jolly Green Giant

[funkybutt]

95. Bush's Daughters "OMG SO EMBARRASSED! I NEED A DRINK!!"

[drscm]

96. And I thought the Bush daughters were bad.....

[alexisfree]

105. they need to be an a correctional school

[alexisfree]

116. CNN: "KERRY LOOK PRESIDENTIAL;""!!!!!

[HamstersFromHell]

103. Meet your pResident, George W. Queeg

All * needed was a few steel balls to roll in his palms and it woulda been a live replay of the court martial in The Caine Mutiny. What a mental case.

[funkybutt]

106. Big "ANYBODY BUT BUSH" sign background CNN

[California Griz]

119. Grand Slam

Kerry was masterful. I've listened to people say he was a great closer but I had my doubts. I have no doubts now. This was like John Smoltz stiking out the side in the top of the 9th and hitting a homer in the bottom of the 9th to win it.

[Florida_Geek]

120. How many times were you arrested sign

behind one of the talking heads before the debate... Love it .

[Dangerman]

110. Bush is a f*cking murderer and a liar!

All this sh*t about that the world is better off without Saddam Hussein. The world is NOT better off, with or WITHOUT Saddam! The WORLD IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT ANYONE WHOSE LAST NAME IS BUSH!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[krkaufman]

111. OH BEAUTIFUL... "this is the President that thought there were WMDs"

Wow... I was hoping Kerry would leverage Bush's error of judgement in Iraq on Bush's statement that you can't have bilateral talks w/ N Korea.

KERRY DID IT!! Mega-slam.

[blitzen]

112. Scarborough: .Kerry wins hands down

"I don't see how anybody who watched cannot say this was a clear win for Kerry"

[Polemonium]

115. Slam Dunk

Spread the word. Kerry destroyed Bush in the first debate.

[cal04]

117. MSNBC poll

Who won the debate
Pres. Bush
32% Sen. Kerry
68%
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733/

[Kurovski]

127. Now the poll is at

Kerry 72
George 28

Not that it matters much.

[drscm]

118. Did you notice on the split screen that they Kerry's camera was

positioned so that he was the same height as *Bush?

[lakemonster11]

139. Sure did.

I thought that was hilarious. Of course, I would have preferred to see their podiums at the same height onscreen so that Bush would be dwarfed by Kerry. When they shook hands at the beginning, Kerry was so physically dominating of him. Awesome.

[Rassah]

121. New Bush "catch phrase?"

Anyone else notice that whenever Bush was confronted with his screw-ups in his war on terror and asked what he is going to do about it, all he did was reply in a whiny voice, "It's hard work!" Cry me a river for f*ck's sake.

[Kurovski]

125. Well the only hard work George will have in '05

is clearing shrub at Dry Gulch, or whatever the hell he calls that ranch of his.

Dry Sack maybe?

[Disturbed]

129. Hard work..

Time for w to go clear the brush on his fake ranch.

[Wednesdays]

132. The hard work in *'s future...

will be breaking rocks or making license plates.

One can hope...

[lakemonster11]

140. He's incredibly whiny.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

145. Your post made me laugh out loud

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Sailing]

124. Did I hear Bush right?

Did he say about Iraq that it was time "to change tactics"? Is this a public admission that he screwed up?

[Xipe Totec]

128. George Bush was Sharmin in the debate

Because Big John wiped his ass with the chimp boy tonite! :toast:

I counted at least five Senior moments for Bush, when his brain seized and he just stood frozen in mid-syllable, staring into the distance like an armadillo trying to cross the road.

[AmerDem]

130. Kerry Kicked ASS!

We are on our way!:toast:

[GainesT1958]

131. I was worried about Kerry re: the $87 billion thing...

But, since about the mid-way point, it's been NOTHING but SCORING from him, and FUMBLE!!! from Dub, on question after question. The final part was almost unmerciful for Dub...I'm starting to think that he DID have Vodka in that glass--and a flask to fill it below the podium!:eyes:

Dub looked like the good ol' blithering idiot we all know him to be in that final half-hour, and Kerry...well, I kept telling my wife (who was in another room because she got tired of hearing me cuss at Dub constantly) that Kerry was hitting his stride, and then he basically rolled over Dub like a tank crushing a Tarantula. No wonder those freeloadin' Freepers are sick...even General Clark (and didn't HE look great on the Daily Show grinnin' likee a Cheshire cat to Jon Stewart!:D ) was noting how they were in despair.

I really would hate to be a Repub tonight--or tomorrow morning. I'd say after this one, about the only good poll news they're likely to get will come from Gallup!:eyes:

:kick:---and John Kerry suuure DID!

B-)

[mopinko]

133. robert novak, reporting from planet of yeah sure

holy shit-
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/blog/09/30/novak.blog/
douchebag of liberty.

[djbowler]

135. Rainey season in the Darforth

I don't think I EVER LAUGHED OUT LOUD as loud as I did when Bush mentioned the end of the rainey season in the Darforth. You just can't make this shit up.

[donco6]

143. Send a comment at that link

Novak's blog is idiotic.

[DesEtoiles]

136. thanks Skinner

[liberal N proud]

146. CNN poll results:

Who do you think won the first U.S. presidential debate?

President George W. Bush 18% 43152 votes

Sen. John Kerry 77% 183385 votes

Evenly matched 4% 10408 votes
Total: 236945 votes