Why Is Bill Maher So Easily Swayed By Polls?

[Placebo]

He is on Hardball Right now echoing his thoughts from Friday night's REAL TIME about how horrible John Kerry is doing and how a lot of people are wishing we had picked Dean instead of Kerry, and how it's getting late and he's not sure if Kerry really is the 'come from behind' guy that he has always been in elections, and Kerry's only plan for Iraq is that "they like me better" saying that Kerry is just a frankenstein of parts of past democratic candidates put together, "boring like gore, a massachusetts liberal like dukakis..."

Jeez, how can such a powerful and smart guy like Maher have such limited vision? How can he not know what the majority of DU members know; that the polls are bogus and slanted towards republicans, and that in the past few weeks Kerry has been firing back like never before.

[Mika]

1. The two of them was enough to make one hurl

:puke: :puke:

Twice




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[Gelliebeans]

2. been wondering that myself regarding bill

he has been so antagonistic lately. I think he has a huge ego. I still find him interesting to watch cause he bashs chimpy on a regular basis. I wish he would lay off Kerry though

[JohnKleeb]

3. He's bloody ignorant thats why

A few things, I think granted what we had, Kerry was the best nominee we could have had, all these things he has fought for and frankly I just really like the guy, another thing does Maher remember where Gore was at this time? not neck and neck with Bush but losing, Kerry is a great closer, the 1996 Senate Race and 2004 Democratic Primaries are proof of this, also we havent had any debates left. I ain't fearing for Kerry until we "lose".

[LiberalFighter]

89. Just because someone is smart doesn't mean..

that they know everything about every topic.

Does he know and is he board certified to perform surgery?
Does he have a license for every profession in every state?

What experience does he have regarding elections? Grassroots? Voter registration? Absentee voting? Recounts? Election laws?

LIMITED!!!!!!!!

[BootinUp]

4. Its makin me sick

Just now Maher made Kerry out to be flim flammy on Iraq. :puke:

[Cha]

14. maher is a blow hard...totally

hissing out hot air. Too bad he doesn't inform himself before he goes on tv..he's made a fool out of himself.:silly:

[troublemaker]

5. Bill Maher is a fucking fool, and I've always said so

He is not too bright and not too clever. He voted for Ralph Nader, for God's sake! He's no Jon Stewart.

And he knows there's more $$$ for him if Bush wins

[Demoiselle]

63. Agreed. And he's JUST AN ENTERTAINER, folks.

He'll go for the easy laugh, the cheap shot. He doesn't know any more than your average comic...and he's nowhere near as influential as Stewart and Letterman, whose political intelligence quotients are considerably higher.

[Jon8503]

6. Unfortunately Bill is right about some things. We may not like to

hear them from him or believe them but what can you say. Of course I was a Dean supporter because I believed he was right in opposing the war but will and am supporting Kerry.

[fujiyama]

90. The problem is

he didn't support Dean either. I remember him making some nasty cracks about Dean. I think it may have been after the scream. He gave some faint praise about his opposition to the war and waking the party up, but he was never a supporter.

Bill Maher is right about a lot of issues. I agree with him often. Once in a while he's funny as well. I even agree with him that Kerry has made mistakes (like not responding quick enough to the shit boat ads), but why the hell does he dwell on them? Is it really difficult not to mention Kerry's recent improvements? Sure, they may not be enough for some supporters, but he has been hitting Bush harder on the war in recent weeks. Also he seems to be Goring him in the same way he did to Gore. He goes on and complains about Kerry's personality...He seems pretty superficial himself, though he rails against it.

Bill maher is an egotistical blowhard. I get the sense that he believes he's smarter and better than everyone else.

[vi5]

7. Look, anyone with common sense who wants bush out is worried...

..anyone who is smart enough to want bush gone is of course worrying and second guessing things left and right. We would be doing that with any candidate, and make no mistake about it, any candidate we had chosen would be in the EXACT same position.

Some of us are blaming the system and the media, and the general gullibility of the american public. Others, like Maher and some on here are choosing to blame the candidate.

[I_like_chicken]

20. I agree

also, who cares what Maher is saying, does anyone actually take him seriously.

[speedoo]

8. Mahar is proving that he is just like tweety.

He has no core.

They are two whores. Strictly looking for entertainment value.

Both of them rarely have anything good to say about anyone.

[blm]

12. He has a superiority complex. He has to act as if he's better than Kerry

just like he did to Gore in 2000.

[goclark]

17. Speaking of Maher

Maybe he is suffering since his "girlfriend" left him.

I had tickets to his show one night.
In the parking lot,on the way to the line, I saw a very unattractive African American woman, about 35-40, dressed like it was evening at 3 pm. She was making her way into the building.

About an hour later,everyone was in their seats and in walks Miss Parking Lot. The usher escorted her in and gave her a front row seat. She pulled out her cell phone(we were told to turn ours off) and talked until the show started.

After the show, I stayed around CBS to talk to some friends. We finally left about 45 minutes after the show. To our surprise, there was Miss Parking Lot, hair and clothes looking like she had been in a washing machine. She had one shoe off and one shoe on.

I was shocked to open the tabloid about 4 weeks later and see her face! There was Miss Parking Lot saying that she was " Moving On" from her long term relationship with Bill Maher. The article also showed a picture of his Beverly Hills house. He had purchased a 3+ million house for her, next to HIS!

I was always a fan of Maher's. Lately he seems to be coming from a new direction. He runs hot and cold.

Maybe he is suffering from a broken heart.

[lanparty]

30. I guess she was angry ...

... about having to split "bedding time" with Anne Coulter. ;-)

BTW, we haven't seen Anne lately have we??? I guess she's not putting out anymore!!!! ;-)

[AmerDem]

36. is this her?

[goclark]

37. That was not the one that I saw

unless she was the star of "Extreme Makeovers."

I saw Bill Maher on the Emmys a few week ago. It looked like the "lady" with him was a man in the face. The lady appeared about the size of the lady in this picture but she had a mug like Dayna ?,the new Rush girlfriend from CNN.

Does he have a history of drugs? He seems like he has mood swings a lot.

[CityDem]

34. Make it a threesome

Mahar and Matthews should swing by Christopher Hitchens house and make it a three way. They all suck big time.

[PassingFair]

65. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a disgusting daisy chain THAT would be. But how perceptive of you to link those three insidious worms.

[Cha]

9. Like I said on a thread about

maher when real time was on..he sucks!

I hope he feels like an idiot when Kerry wins!

And it will be without his help!

[ItsMyParty]

10. I have no idea what he said

but my impression from what I read above is that this is just one of the ugly fuckers who goes where the 'win' is. I wonder if things turn around where he will 'go'. I know this, if they do turn and he starts ass kissing Kerry, I will do my best to make sure Bill never has a show again. I can't stand clowns like this.

[feistydem]

80. Dennis Miller all over again.

The most outrageous sellout gets a primetime show on cable. Maybe Bill is looking for a better time slot?

[Raya]

11. Because his like it when the Polls are UP. He believes in SCIENCE .

[Shopaholic]

13. Didn't you want to puke?

when Tweety had to talk about Kerry's orange look? I sent him an e-mail, praising him for so effectively hitting all of Karl Rove's talking points for today and told him that the Repugs must be so proud of him. Maher's a whore, plain, pure and simple. He had one show taken away from him and my guess is he wants to make his corporate masters at AOL-TimeWarner happy so he has to attack Kerry to do that. How the two of them sleep at night is beyond me. Take one look at the Bimbos that Maher "dates" and you'll quickly figure out how truly shallow he really is. They look like he got them from 1-800-Hooker.

[DemMother]

87. Maher is a misogynistic little wienie

He's been unwatchable for the past two weeks.

[AmerDem]

15. Maher is bulbed nosed wack-off

I said it here over and over again. Usually we have thread saying how great Maher and Stewart are and they are heros etc. Take them away from there protected lil atmosphere and 9 times out of 10 they agree with Tweety, Hannity and O Reilly during the interview.

This asshole couldn't wait until at least the first debate was over before he shits all over Kerry. This wasn't a lil tap with a subtle joke here and there his entire appearance was spent destroying Kerry on every level imaginable. He went right along with Tweety's, "OH why do I keep saying Gore' horseshit (you know damn well Tweety stayed up all night thinking of that trick). He plays into the orange face smear and on and on.

That lil ugly fucking whining spoiled twit needs a major slap right across the back of his neck! For all you past Maher cum drinkers... wake the fuck up!

[dennis4868]

19. you are right.....

Maher may have convinced some undecided voters tonight to vote for Bush...what an asshole!

[lanparty]

33. Don't get so down on Maher ...

... he does us a LOT of favors. And there isn't any other show like his on tv where liberals can speak their minds. He's typically ALWAYS arguing with the conservatives on his program. He HATES Bush. He's just unenthused with Kerry. I can see some of his points even if I don't relate to them.

Let's not forget about what his LAST point on last weeks show was on. He said that both camps should get to run who they want to via constitutional amendment. The Pukes should get to run Ahnold and we should get to run THE BIG DOG!!!!!

Finally, if you watch the Daily Show, you'll see that Stewart takes jabs at Kerry as well. So try not to be a head in the sand partisan and try to UNDERSTAND what one of our biggest allies with a news show is TRYING to communicate!!!!

[AmerDem]

45. "head in the sand partisan" ?

Is that what's it's called when I watch a nitwit with an over the top opinion about himself systematically destroying the candidate I support? If so i'll take that insult and tell you kindly to go fuck yourself while I do everything I can to get Kerry elected to save our country.

[Minimus]

58. Stewart takes jabs at Kerry jokingly with humor - Bill takes jabs

viscously and IMO undermines what we are trying to do: get bush the hell out of office.

[lanparty]

69. Snowboarding ...

...
Kerry:
"I didn't fall down, that SOB got in my way!!".

Stewart:
"Yes Mr Kerry, the man charged with taking a bullet for you is an SOB!!!"


I don't think anything is personal for Stewart. He has said time and time again that he's after pointing out absurdities, mainly because it's FUNNY!!!!

While Bush is the master of idiocy and gaffs, Kerry DOES manage to pull one off occasionally even after you screen them for freeper spin.

[GingerSnaps]

16. He said that Kerry looked like Frankenstein

Someone should tell Bill that he's not that hot himself.

[JohnKleeb]

23. thats what I dont get about some people

"so and so is ugly" well you aint hot yourself dude.

[Minimus]

61. I can't look at bush without thinking about Deliverance

and the banjo playing kid.

Dueling Banjos anyone?

[dennis4868]

18. What Maher does not get....

is that by attacking Kerry like he just did he may have persuaded some undecided voters to vote for Bush. I know Maher would like nothing more to vote Bush out of office so then why does he do what he has been doing lately? Now is not the time to trash Kerry.....

[Generator]

21. I know I watched it and I'm fucking ready to move to Canada

again. This media insults my intelligence and my soul.

Tweety saying "Do you think voters will be able to decide from the debate who can best lead the future of the country?"

These are supposed to be thinking people. Bush is incompetent, has fucked up everything he has ever touched, and can't string a goddamn decent sentence in English together.

Ah, but Kerry is boring and has a fake tan! Vote BUSH. Goddamn let them have this fucking country, don't they fucking get it's the end of Democracy not a choice between two men?

I seriously think this country is uber fucked.

[dennis4868]

25. I know how you feel....

this election is not about choosing one candidate over another...it's about removing a cancer from the executive branch of the government......but instead we are talking about how Kerry looks orange?

[troublemaker]

31. Maher makes more $$$ if Bush wins. O'Reilly makes more $$$ if Kerry wins

[The empressof all]

22. Maher is playing both sides

He is a capitalist who proves the point that you don't have to be that smart to be funny. He wants to assure that he will still have some degree of credibility with Bush supporters if Bush gets elected.

He feels confident the liberals would continue to watch him but is not so sure of the conservatives. He throws bones to each.

I like the comment above that He has no core.

[Medium Baby Jesus]

24. Maher is just giving opinion about the way he sees things

He is not a political operative. He is a comedian. He is saying the same things I'm hearing from nervous shrub haters at work. He is not a whore and he is not doing AOL's dirty work. I have some strong opinions about how this campaign has been run but I keep them to myself and push Kerry every chance I get.

[Jon8503]

26. Agree

[AmerDem]

27. here is my OPINION of Maher

He is fucking knucklehead and given the chance i'de love to slap his fucking teeth out his mouth!

[Medium Baby Jesus]

43. Feel better now?

:eyes:

[dennis4868]

28. "He is not a political operative"

you are right but Maher is clearly someone who cannot stand Bush and believes he must go for the better of our country and the world....if you feel that way you dont go on national cable tv and trash the opponent and the man that we need to win to rid the WH of crime, corruption and fraud. We may feel, like Maher, that Kerry is screwing up, but we would never go on national tv and let everyone know that and perhaps persuade undecided voters to vote for the fuck face!

[RummyTheDummy]

29. Typical DU

We love him when he rips Bush. We hate him when he not necessarily criticizes Kerry, but expresses some of the doubts even some Dems have.

[dennis4868]

32. but why express doubts....

on national cable tv? what good is that?

[RummyTheDummy]

35. It's his opinion

He's asked an opinion and he's giving it. I prefer someone a little more realistic or at least concerned and on their game as opposed to the "please blow sunshine up my ass" crowd.

I disagree with Bill and I'm an avid viewer of Real Time. I think Kerry is doing better and the campaign is now back on the right track. But I think Bill is wrong on this.

I've disagreed with him on a number of things, and I still watch because it's not only the best debate show on TV -- it's the ONLY debate show on TV. Go to Fox and see what you get in what passes for a "roundtable". Go watch MSNBC when Tweety has his little Repug minions on that show 3-1 Repug to Dem. We may not always agree with Maher. But at least on his show it's a fair fight.


And besides, it's not his job to pump up the Kerry campaign, no matter how much of a beef people here might have with that.

[SeekingTruth]

38. DU'ers are amazing...

Recently someone got pissed off at me for saying DU'ers get so offended when we point out Kerry's misgivings because I wrote that it is similar to killing the messenger when he tells the emperor is not wearing clothes (some how the pissed off DU'er thought I was comparing Kerry to Bush when I wasn't - I was just pointing out how we attack those who point out our faults).

Some DU'ers are like, "Hey, don't tell me that mole on my back is cancerous dammit!! I don't want to know!!", and then let the damn thing kill them.

Maher is right sometimes. Hell, the guy kicks Bush in the balls 90 percent of the time for crying out loud and if he passes a few kicks to Kerry's ass to get him in line, if it helps, so be it!

And don't most people believe that it IS the candidate who makes or breaks his or her own campaign?

As for Kerry's tan - come on - it is important - and they should KNOW this! DU'ers must start looking at things realistically. Visual media is so important in races. Our true domain is that of print - thought, long drawn out reasoning, complexity. The repugs excel in imagery and explosive bullshit. We MUST realize this. There is nothing wrong with recognizing weakness - it's the first step to getting stronger.

[BeatleBoot]

46. Here's a response from a Du'er

And that's me.

My neighborhood's schools are falling apart.

Cops have been taken off the street in my neighborhood because of Bush's tax cuts.

Firefighters have been laid off to pay for Bush's tax cut to those making over $200,000 a year.

The roads around here are falling apart because Bush cut out the funding to our states.

I filled up my tank this week. I paid $ 2.05 a gallon.

I've seen at least 15 rounds of layoffs at my place of employment since Bush took office. Some of those jobs were eliminated and some of those jobs were moved overseas.

But I guess Kerry's tan is more important than all of that.

I guess I'm out of the mainstream and I don't get it.

[SeekingTruth]

50. It's all about winning campaigns...

no one is saying all those things you posted aren't important. What I am trying to get across is that for us to become truly formidable opponents to these right wing thugs, we have to understand our weaknesses and get over them.

Seriously, look over the past few presidential races and look at how much bullshit took up too much time. Entirely too much. But there are ways we can change things. And as I continually harp, studying ourselves is one way. Realizing the things that will hurt our cause is paramount.

There are many ways to fight these battles.

Here's one...in our local government, money was spent on a key card activated pole to barricade non-city employees from using a city owned parking lot. The money came from a grant for Homeland Security under the guise of protecting city employees from terrorist attacks. Do you know what the real reason was? To stop people who were going to nearby events like a baseball game from parking there.

So this is what I mean.

[ZombieNixon]

51. I know exactly what you mean...

...and that's part of the problem. We know the issues and how much more important they are than Sen. Kerry's tan, but how much of the electorate are we? America's a big country, and while we're all going to vote for Kerry here because of the issues, what about the electorate in general. Many people just don't care enough to do the research, and just take everything based on which ten-second sound bite they heard in a campaign ad on Fox News. By pointing out problems which can be corrected, we can only help John Kerry. On the flip side, I think that Maher making a big deal about it to everyone helps much. If he really wants to help Kerry, but still point out problems, let the campaign know on the "down-low." Keep in mind that both Maher and Michael Moore voted for Nader in '00, but let's face it, I don't think anyone thought things could get this bad. Bush is an idiot, and like an idiot, he'll do whatever he wants and damn the consequences.
Cheers,

P.S. Saying someone should shut up. Isn't that a Bushie thing to do (c.f. O'Reilly)? You of course may say it, but think who you sound like. Are we not better than that?

[BeatleBoot]

70. When did I tell someone to shut up?

Read my post again.

I don't get it?

[DemMother]

88. Then I'm out there with you...

Maher also goes out of his way to let us know how much he hates kids. He makes fun of anyone who who talks about doing something for the children (Maher draws the word out in nasty, mincing way--the cheellldrruuun). Bill Maher apparently has the luxury to ignore the issues that matter to most of us and to our kids' futures--health care, education, the draft, the environment, civil liberties.

[feistydem]

83. Kerry's tan is important? Honey, you need a reality check.

It is soooooo far from important. When the TV talking heads ignore the really important offenses of the Bush Admin. and instead focus on Kerry's tan, his height and his choice of sports, they are doing a huge disservice to us all. I refuse to validate their biases by agreeing with them.

[SeekingTruth]

96. Preaching to the choir....

in the true scheme of things Kerry's tan isn't important....but it is important...as Democrats we must quit giving the Repugs the clubs to pound us with.

DU'ers keep acting like they are the only fish in the fishbowl...Kerry does not have to earn or win OUR vote...he HAS it..but there are those out there who are sitting on the fence. Those are the people we must worry about. Kerry showing up with a sudden tan hits middle of the road Americans with a slap of elitism. It's like the goofy botox debate. Sure, to us, it does not matter, but to those who see otherwise, it is a major issue. Just like the windsurfing.

This goes way back - recall the debate over Dukakis in the tank. Sure, it was idiotic, but damn, that hurt Dukakis bad. Just like his tepid response to Bernard Shaw's murder and rape question of Kitty Dukakis.

Face it - Dems can be their own worst enemy.

[dennis4868]

39. Did Maher say that....

Kerry should just say that the war was wrong? Yet, Kerry has said that many times recently on the campaign trail. Kerry has stated over and over that the war in Iraq was the WRONG WAR AT THE WRONG TIME!

If Maher and Tweety do not follow what Kerry says and not listen to his speeches than it is as if Kerry never said it.

[JI7]

40. Bill Maher voted for Ralph Nader in 2000

[BeatleBoot]

41. Bingo!

You win the prize!

I'm done with Maher, McCain and Ral:puke:ph:puke:

[RummyTheDummy]

44. I love it when people comment on things and show their ass

Maher and a guy by the name of Michael Moore supported Nader in 2000.

Apparently you missed Maher's show when Moore and Maher got down on their knees and begged Ralph to get out of the race.

Tell me, all the people who voted for Nader and Bush in 2000 and who now have realized the error of their ways and will vote Kerry this year, should we "be done" with them too?

[BeatleBoot]

49. Say what you want, but

leave my butt out of this (LOL).

[LisaL]

53. Got down on their knees and begged?

Well, that sure did a world of good, didn't it?
:eyes:

[ZombieNixon]

56. Sure didn't

and now I've lost all respect for Ralph Nader. I used to like Ralph, what the hell does he think he's doing? He's taking money from Republicans, who sure ain't thinking "Ralph, save us from our own guy." It's nothing more than a vanity campaign. Nader's got an even bigger ego than Maher! BTW, this is probably a completely different thread. Someone needs to start a "WTF is wrong with Nader?" thread. I don't have enough posts yet.

[LisaL]

62. Oh, we have threads of posts that address this very topic.

WTF is wrong with Nader?
:)

[fujiyama]

92. True

but that's still no excuse for being such an ass.

Michael Moore also supported Nader in '00 (though he did say he didn't like when he campaigned in battleground states)...so I don't think that's enough of a reason for his recent douchebaggery.

[seabeyond]

42. maher wants a rebel, the attacking, street fighting

and becasue that is not who kerry is, he isnt happy. i would like to see someone on tv that actually can see the good and value in who kerry is, just as he is. and actually allow someone to talk about kerry who likes him. never do i see a person that likes kerry. it is getting old. it is not representitive of the people supporting

[tom_paine]

47. Because he lives FULLY inside the Pravda Fantasy Bubble

He breathes it, he watches it, and to avoid being a "conspiracy theorist", he buys it hook, line and sinker.

Wake up, Bill, for fuck's sake the Pravda has now been unmasked FULLY in books by Brock, Conason, Krugman...

But he lives as blinkered and blindered as all the rest. The world has shifted beneath his feet and he never noticed.

(to be fair, neither did I, until the Bloodless Coup woke me to learn)

Poor guy. As much as slave to Bushevik Pravda Lies as a Russian in 1940 was a slave to Bolshevik Pravda Lies.

[Leilani]

48. Its still a free country & Maher can say what he wants...

Sometimes I get so tired of the group think, pep talk cheerleaders.

That is what Repugs do...drink the kool aide & say white is black & up is down.

Whenever someone here posts some honest criticisms or expresses doubts, they get shouted down.

Maher has walked the walk! Remember, he lost his show for saying the politically incorrect thing. And his show was wonderful. because it WAS politically incorrect.

You all want him to be outspoken, as long as he agrees with you. Well, maybe he is right, & maybe he is wrong, But its his right to say it. He does not work for the Kerry campaign.

[latebloomer]

67. Thank you!

Bill Maher calls them as he sees them. He eviscerates Bush every chance he gets, and he is fuckin frustrated that Kerry is not doing that as well. Guess what? So am I.

[LisaL]

52. Hmm?

Maybe it's because he is a little weasel?

[ZombieNixon]

54. Maybe...

...I might disagree with him (on that point), but I'm not going to try and revoke his right to say it. Maher does often make a good point, he's no Jon Stewart (no where near as funny), but I do respect him for speaking his mind.

[LisaL]

55. I don't like Maher, never did.

:-)

[ZombieNixon]

57. I can see exactly where you're coming from

He is pretty egostical.
:shrug:

[mzmolly]

59. Maher voted for Nader didn't he? I like Maher, but he's not the end all.

I supported Dean in the primaries, and yes the thought crosses my mind ... but in the words of Howard Dean "that's woulda, coulda, shoulda, we haven't got time for that."

[59millionmorons]

60. Maher is a douchbag

He should remember who his viewers are.

[efhmc]

64. Can not stand that male chauvinist guy. Don't know and/or care what he

thinks.

[robbedvoter]

66. Maher is a glib rich man with no allegiances

He is not very well informed, nor does he give a damn about anything but himself and his pot. He could get pressured too, like everyone in the public eye talking against W and Krugman he ain't.

[secular_warrior]

68. I agree 100% with Bill Maher

Matthews is a whore. Maher is a man who says what he believes even if it costs him his job. I agree with all of Maher's criticisms of the campaign, the party and the candidate. It's not enough to blame the media, our opponents or the sheeple. It is the patriotic duty of the opposition party to present a strong, coherent, attractive opposition .. to win office by any (legal) means neccessary. Maher is absolutely correct: our side is not presenting a strong, clear, better alternative to Bush. The voters are unhappy with Bush but Kerry and the DNC are not making the sale.

[robbedvoter]

72. What he believes? What does he believe? Pot should be legal, marriage

forbidden. Everything else...

[secular_warrior]

74. you're way off my friend

Bill Maher has a more coherent, strong belief system than most in our party. He's a maverick, libertarian leaning liberal. His beliefs --like Howard Dean's -- are pragmatic and radical at the same time. It's a refreshing change from the wimpy, establishmentarian liberalism school of thought and the wimpy centrist DLC school of thought -- both of which have dominated this party for the past 30 years.

[dennis4868]

73. "I agree with all of Maher's criticisms "

okay but you are not going on national TV ripping Kerry and helping Bush get some undecided voters!

[secular_warrior]

75. Undecideds and swing voters aren't watching Hardball

Only partisans and political junkies like us watch political talking head shows on cable.

[dennis4868]

76. My next door neighbor....

is undecided and watched Hardball tonight UNFORTUNATELY!

[umtalal]

78. Those Words are Jewels. You said it brother!!!!

[SpongeBob]

82. You miss the point...

I agree with Maher in some of his criticisms of Kerry and the Democratic Party. However, Maher seems to have been hynotized by the media along with many of us when it comes to believing in some of the MYTHS about Bush and the Republicans: Does BUSH really show "toughness?" Was he really tough after 9/11, running away in the airplane? Bush is a BULLY, that doesn't mean he's tough. Was he really acting like "our Daddy" not responding immediately to the attacks? Did he even bother to find out how his family was doing? That's the first thing I did upon hearing of the attacks at work (in NYC), I called my family. Why Bush didn't even bother visiting his daughter when she had an appendectomy.
Bill Maher said it all (without realizing it) a few weeks back: He said that the Democrats weren't as brilliant in their strategies as the Republicans, siting the fact that Kerry would have been skewered if he had said that we weren't going to win the war on terrorism, as Bush did. THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT. What exactly was Bush's "brilliant" response- the next day he said, "Oh, I'm sorry, changed my mind, we ARE going to win the war on terrorism," the media said "Okay, that's just fine and dandy with us," and that was that. This wouldn't happen for Kerry simply because the media is totally in BUSH's and the Republican's pockets.

[secular_warrior]

94. No -- Maher completely "gets it" - better than the Kerry camp

Maher undertands that the media is the enemy, and the game becomes one of counter the media with our own spin, our own memes to counter the perception of Bush. It is all a game of shaping perception -- Maher completely gets this. It was he and Michael Moore and a few Dems who were trying to push the "Bush fucked up 9-11/Saudi connection" meme. Maher's reasoning was to attack Bush where he is perceived to be strongest...to attack the media meme of "Bush the strong 9-11 leader" directly. But of course, the Democratic Party dropped the ball and the story died.

[Placebo]

71. On Again Right Now...

for those that missed it.

[umtalal]

77. I read this on the Charley Rose Board. Did he really say that?

Bill Maher described Kerry on Hardball as a rotten candidate sort of the Frankenstien of other Democrat Candidates that they pieced together incorporating all the worst characteristics of the past Democat Presidential Candidates: A boring droner like Gore, a Massachusetts Liberal like Dukakis, and a policy wonk like Carter. a sampling tree like Gore

[dennis4868]

81. Yes.....

Bill Maher said this...spent 30 minutes trashing Kerry and giving Bush a pass....who will be the first TV person in a month to say something positive about Kerry?

[umtalal]

85. I am going to rave, so bear with me. What is it with those media whores

who say they want Kerry to win and then in the same sentence they bash the man like nobody's business. Why is it they talk from both sides of their mouth? For instance Maureen Dowed(sp?) writes a scathing book on Bush, at the same time she gives Kerry hell. They seem to me they want to ensure the man losing the election. If they were right wing thugs I would get it. But they claim to be on Kerry's side!!!! The only one I admire for his straight and narrow stand is John Stewart and he is on the comedy central for goodness sake!!!

[John_H]

79. Another guy who's never stepped foot in a campaign office

telling us all what to think. I don't know about you, but if i want to know how a campaign is going I'll take talk to some 25 year old grunt sitting in a field office at 3 am before I'll ask a guy who had a talk show.

[NEDem]

84. I don't like his tone about Kerry, however

he is an entertainer, and really has no credibility. Besides I have yet to meet anyone, who actually likes the guy.

I haven't enjoyed his shows this season that much because of his Kerry bashing, but I still watch because he's rabidly anti-* and he makes some great nasty comments about the shrub every chance he gets.

All in all, I'll take Real Time over any other cable talk show any day of the week.

[bush equals idiot]

86. Nothing is going to mean diddly

Until these debates are over, you can watch talk show airheads, take polls 'til your fingers fall off. It ain't going to cement those who will wait until October 30th to make a decision. All you have to do is watch the focus groups to know that.

This thing will get dead even. And November 2nd, the huge numbers of newly registered democratic voters will blow it wide open. See if I'm not right.

[K rock]

95. I can see where your coming from, I do think he is following polls.

The voting registration office here in Erie county is swamped. I like bill, he just tells it how it is, no bull shit, no sugar coating. he gives Bush way more flak than Senator Kerry.

[NightOwwl]

91. Matthews telling Maher he can't joke about Bush and booze???

:wtf:

They were talking about the debate rules, Maher compared them to riders (like the clause Van Halen has that says no brown M&M's allowed.) Maher said something about Gore not wanting M&M's because he might choke on them while he was drunk, and Kerry would need two rooms (one for each Kerry...ha ha not). He obviously meant to say Bush instead of Gore.

Anyway Matthews interrupted him and said "You can't say that." And he wasn't kidding around, he was completely serious. I knew the media was gunning for a Bush win, but for some reason this really hit me hard.

It's OK to insult and degrade Kerry, and have SBL guests who out-and-out lie about him, but the mere mention of Bush and alcohol in the same sentence is not allowed, even in a joking manner.

[SeekingTruth]

97. but it is okay for that prick Matthews to keep

saying "Bush is a guy you'd want to have a beer with"....

I quit watching his show and have started sending that asshole an email stating..."4th Day without Hardball"....I'm going to keep it up...

[JSJ]

93. maher is a tv-trained barking seal nt