How Kerry Lost Stupid Women--How He Has 2 Days to Get Them Back

[ItsMyParty]

Veeery interesting............

Stumbled across a blurb in Time Magazine that IS this whole election. The blurb gave stats and then zeroed in on "what the fuck is going on"--and that, my friends is where Kerry needs to go with lazer precision in this first debate or he WILL lose.

The blurb gave stats of how Kerry was umpteen points ahead of Bush in the polls among women, and then several weeks ago, in a mysterious overnight, Kerry went to like 7-8 points down with Bush among women.

At that point the blub said that the Kerry people were stunned and wanted to know what John needed to do---speak more on healthcare, education..what? The answer shocked them. The women were freaked on the issue of terror (i.e., security moms)......BUT what freaked them out of the clear blue nowhere was that this was all about the goddamn murderous assault on the school in Russia!!! These morons (and they are) are afraid that their 'precious' will get into the same situation here in the USA and that they need "GEORGE THE MAGNIFICENT" to protect them!! JesusHChrist--here is an area where Bush is totally deficient. He has funded squat in the way of homeland protection, etc. Their kids are as vulerable as ever and they THINK the fucking asshole has done something to protect them and never asked "what has he done?"


In a word, Kerry needs to tell parents in this first debate that he will have the US Marines outside their kid's school or something of that nature and he will slay Bush. He has to point out how vulnerable their kids are with Bush doing shit about Homeland security and tell them that he wants to increase the military so that every state has a reservist on guard at their kid's school and he will win big time.....and I am fucking serious. Tell them that a military man will be outside their kid's school and they will vote Kerry. In a word, Kerry needs to wake up and not just fight the Iraq shit...he needs to tell security moms that their precious will be guarded..............the only other thing he could do to get their vote is tell them that he will intercede in every kiddie soccer match to make sure their uncoordinated, yuppie, usless kid will wins the game.

[billbuckhead]

1. TIME magazine is RepuKKKe propaganda

The polls are rigged and the "journalists" paid off.

[ItsMyParty]

5. read my ENTIRE post and save the crap

It's what's happening....deal with it..........and Kerry can deal with it too.

[LoZoccolo]

14. Yeah let's just ignore this.

You work for the Kerry campaign or something?

[Pirate Smile]

2. You can be strong and dumb or strong and smart. W has done

"strong" and dumb. Kill 10 terrorists, create 100 more. Strong and dumb doesn't work. It makes us less safe because it makes more terrorists.

Do you think if Kerry said it this simply people would get it?

[canuckforpeace]

3. LOL!

He also needs to tell them Bush eats babies and he will send their eighteen year olds to fight the evildoers in Iraq.

[still_one]

4. Kerry has not lost support among women

It is a total bullshit poll

Women want control over their bodies
Women want equal pay for equal work in the workplace
Women do not want their children sent to wars that have nothing to do with protecting this country


Think about it, this is the most patronizing crap

[ItsMyParty]

6. Stop ;putting your head in the shit....they didn't even cite a Time poll

It IS what is happening. We have these idiot SECURITY MOMS who are as real as the goddamn fucking soccer Moms. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH YOUR DEAD MINDS is that it all took place overnight because of the Russian school situtation. If Kerry can tell them their darlings are SAFE IN SCHOOL he has the election. Stop denying always what is going on in the country. These fucking stupid broad are the reason the polls are close and Bush keeps being ahead in ALL of them. Sway the FUCKING STUPID BOADS (and I'm a woman) and he wins. Deal with it.

[blondeatlast]

17. This mom's fear: the draft. My son is 7 now and Iraq may still be

raging when he is draft age.

IT'S THE DRAFT, MORON MOMS.

THE DRAFT.

[ItsMyParty]

24. blonde--YES---he nees also to hint that Bush's endless wars also

involve putting your kid on the front lines to die for corporate America and freaks like him!! It's a two for one on Thursday night: tell them Bush has done fuck to protect their kids in their schools and tell them that anyone who has a kid from age "just born" to 35 is going to have to go get killed for this drunken/coke snorting/loser's deadly, misguided, vision.

[SW FL Dem]

7. I agree with you. I just got an email from one of my best

friends. She's a retired teacher, new grandmother, life-long, pro-choice, Jewish Democrat. She didn't want to vote for Bush, but she was worried about Kerry's ability to protect us. I had the same conversation with another mom in my neighborhood last week (life-long liberal Dem who is worried the Kerry won't protect her or her family). Both of these women will vote in Florida. I hope I convinced them to vote for Kerry. I will keep working on them.

The * lies are getting heard and the message is working. Kerry has to be able to counter it and SOON!!

[ItsMyParty]

9. SW FL---want to emphasize for those who DON'T GET IT

that what freaked these women our was the horror of that Russian school assault-----I KID YOU NOT THAT IS WHAT CHANGED THESE WOMEN OVERNIGHT. And Time was able to see that. That is how Kerry literally lost these women in a snap. That's why I say he has to tell them, if necessary, he will put a military man outside every school in the USA--------and I bet they would like that better than a bunch of them in Iraq. GODDAMN IT...he has the key to fucking Bush. Zero in on thes "Moms"./

[blondeatlast]

19. THIS mom is FAR more freaked out about the draft.

If my son wants to join, fine.

But I'll be damned if I will let him be stolen from me.

The DRAFT, people, the draft.

[SW FL Dem]

32. I think it was the Russion school crisis, but there are other factors

including the relentless Bush lies on tv and the constant rw slams on Kerry for flip-flopping on Iraq.

[spooky3]

40. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they don't get

your point.

I don't believe that these polls reflect a cross section of women's views. The vast majority of women voters do NOT have children at home. Check out the nation's demographics, if you don't believe me. I'm sure that some people who were appalled and shocked by the horror of the Russian school assault may believe Bush will protect them. However, the typical voter, is not going to believe that Kerry will put a military person outside every school, nor that--even if he had the budget and staff power to do that--terrorists wouldn't find a way to overcome that guard. I'd be more than happy to look at REAL evidence to the contrary but until it's presented, your opinion, like mine, in simply an opinion.

[Parche]

10. Kerry

I am so sick of hearing how Kerry wont protect us


What didnt GW Bush do on Sept 11th???

He was dazed ,confused, and just sat there looking like an idiot
did he protect us on that day??? NO he didnt

[neomonkey]

8. Nice rant!

I actually appreciated it.

I'm not sure how cynical I should remain of the Idiot King's supposed sudden surge among women, but I think this definitely warrants thought.

[necso]

11. !

[ItsMyParty]

12. I'll repeat it again and again...it was the Russian school assault that

overnight made these women turn to Bush (and this is in a number of polls). What they don't understand that is Bush has done nothing (and not funded) homeland security. Kerry needs on Thursday to have these women in mind and assure them that HE WILL protect each and every school in the USA (like I said--a guardsman at every school) and he will get these women back. They are ignorant to think Bush is protecting the local playground. Kerry zeroes in on this and he will win.

[blondeatlast]

22. But they don't care that their sons (perhaps daughters) could be STOLEN

from them by a draft?

Sheesh.

Why do we panic over bizarre, highly unlikely risks and IGNORE the obvious ones???

[necso]

35. Homeland security is a huge issue.

And I am sure that many people are concerned about school security -- it has been an issue for years. Of course, many people have moved their children to private schools or to "safe" public schools, but the terror issue is one that potentially has implications almost everywhere.

However, homeland security is a complicated issue, involving controlling the flow of people and material into the US, along with many other factors.

Certainly, having more of the National Guard at home would allow them to better perform domestic duties at need. But many measures are needed and as long as people view the world through this or that pin hole, this remains the larger issue. And how anyone could think that President Bush would do a better job at anything (useful) than Senator Kerry is quite beyond me.

If people want protection for their schools -- fine -- but it will cost. And chances are many of these same people will not be ready to pay for it.

Elections have become a game of perceptions and marketing, and Americans have proven themselves susceptible to marketing and manipulation of their perspective. Inevitably then almost everything becomes a question of marketing. And this marketing can get positively ridiculous, contradictory and transparent -- and still work.

For this, of course, I have no practical solution. Being driven by fear, however, is not the answer -- of this I am sure. What was it FDR said?

[spooky3]

42. do you have links to these polls that support your point?

[HFishbine]

13. "Kerry went to like 7-8 points down with Bush among women"

Is that when they started overwheighting samples with Republicans?

[ItsMyParty]

16. NO--it's after the slaughter at the Russian School.........the women

in this country suddenly became "Bush lovers" because he is going to protect their babies. THAT is what Kerry has to deal with and explain.........he did shit in the way of funding homeland security and he opposed it to start with. AGAIN, I will say that if Kerry tells them he will put a reservist outside every school in this country HE WILL WIN. Stop thinking that the pollsters are creating this....I wondered when the Russian school slaughter happened how long it would be. And, bingo, it showed up in a couple weeks in our polls. THAT and only THAT is why women left Kerry.

[Alleycat]

15. How Kerry can change this

Today I was speaking with one of our local political advisors. He has benn around the block quite a few times in the local arena and is very well connected with national figures. Teresa addressed him by fist name when she visited our area a few months back. Anyway considering how smart he is in the political area I enjoy getting his take on various points. He thinks that the whole security MoM thing began sliding Bush's way after the terrorist attack on the school in Russia. He believes Kerry will need to state that he will start keeping us safer at home by emphasising the need for security for our children. Bush has not funded police in schools so many have been pulled out in our area as well as across the country. Terrorist are looking for unconventional ways to attack us and this could happen here. How best to appeal to a Mom then promising to protect the children in the places they spend a good part of their day. I'm sure he has passed this up the ladder. Let's see if this may be the direction Kerry takes.

[ItsMyParty]

20. Alleycat--Thank You -- somebody who finally got IT!!!

That's not only why I made my original post....it's because it's a message I HOPE TO CHRIST got through to the Kerry campaign---assure Mom you will protect her offspring a lot more than Bush and this election is Kerry's. He is down only because of these stupid women who got freaked out about the Russian School situtation. If he can bring just them back on Thursday, he has WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alleycat]

23. Let's hope the Kerry inner circle view this as well!!

If we are all seeing this and well as those who have more knowledge of the political game are seeing it I'm positive he will take this angle.

[cheshire]

18. He could point out this happened 3 yrs after he was to catch OBL.

[Barney Rocks]

21. I agree that this

is a challenge that we must address. I think Kerry should come up with a plan to keep schools safe. He actually has a little bit of time (at least more than 2 day. the first debate is on foreign policy--homeland security is really domestic policy). I would come up with a comprehensive strategy to keep unauthorized people off of school property, to quickly alert authorities if there is any security breach--etc etc.

[blondeatlast]

25. Which is more likely, terrorists taking over a school or the DRAFT?

Sorry, I'm spamming a bit, but this seems so obvious to this mom.

Jeebuzz...

:shrug:

[ItsMyParty]

27. blonde--I'm trying to emphasize that BOTH are a part of what will

bring the women back. Draft--and protecting their schools. The women right now ARE what has Bush ahead. Bring them back and Bush is gone.

[BootinUp]

28. There's reality and there's the 24/7 cablenews world

I'm glad you're in the former. :)

But we need to pull a few lost souls back over.

[geek tragedy]

39. Not everyone is as well-informed as you.

We can't undo stupidity--we can only work with it.

[BootinUp]

26. While I think the security mom poll numbers are exagerated

I *DO* believe there are some votes there that Kerry doesn't have but that he should have. It is probably a couple percent at most.

Right now Terrorism/Iraq is the hot button issue as I knew it would be over a year ago. In my view this first debate could be a winner take all affair. If Kerry can remove the false image painted on him by the Bush Cheney campaign that could be the game right there. Its all they really have on him. Debunk it and its a sprint to the finish.

[ItsMyParty]

31. Honey, go look at how far and how fast Kerry fell with women after

the Russian school slaughter and THAT is the whole ball of wax with the Bush lead. It isn't a couple of points. It's that Kerry lost suddenly and a lot with women after this happened. And the pollsters asked why. And the women cited this Russian situation. Take back double digit women and Bush is in the fight for his life. This really isn't a battle over the overall Iraq war, blah, blah. It's the battle for this key women block that always was in the Dem column. We lost them. But not over a wide range of stuff that they got sucked into by Bush. BUT because of this one terrible event. I have to tell you that of all the killings in the last years, that one (as a woman) just really angered me to the point that I would have been in total agreement for a couple weeks if someone wanted to nuke all muslims........and I can't believe I really ever thought that way. I can see why women got mad. Unfortunately, because so many of them are ignornant, they can't understand that Bush has done nothing to protect their children.

[BootinUp]

36. He could use the Russian school story

To tout his homeland security plan and point out that Bush has not done enough sure. That is one piece. The other piece is some moderate or moderately uninformed voters have bought the flim flamy flip floppy thing which Bush has connected directly to Iraq and the WOT.

These Security Moms and Dads I might add, have bought into this fight the battle away from home story. So Kerry has a few things to do here:

1. Come out unwavering in support of the troops and the mission in Iraq.
2. Eviscerate Bush on the failures in Iraq, and not capturing Bin Laden.
3. Remind Americans we need better security at home, maybe with the Russian school story, and tout his plan to fix it.

[K. F. Gibbons]

29. NATIONAL I.D. AND FENCING OUR BORDERS.

Even if the polls are wrong the point is valid. Kerry needs to stake out a position on homeland security that is 100% tougher than Bush. He needs to preach fencing our borders and national I.D. Many people may oppose this but will still vote Kerry. The benefit is the number of independents who will move to Kerry's base on this stance.

[blondeatlast]

34. *SNARF* Visit Nogales sometime, where the border is fenced.

It's a joke--they squeeze through the swing gates, just two feet from the overworked guards. This IS a fenced and GUARDED border, and hundreds cross at that very spot everyday.

Twenty-four by 7.

365 days of the year.

Sorry, I've seen it dozens of times. It's a joke to me.

[Barney Rocks]

43. you do this

and we will lose Hispanic voters in huge numbers.

[K. F. Gibbons]

45. Wrong. The opposite of what you write is true.

I live in Southern California. The Spanish who live here and are registered to vote want fences more then we do. They are more xenophobic than us. They see the threat to there own livelihood my illegal immigration and are right wing. In fact, I would bet the turnout would increase if Kerry did this.

[farmbo]

30. But Putin accuses Bush of harboring terrorists ...

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-09/18/content_375631.htm


<snip>
Putin, meanwhile, accused the West of hypocrisy by fighting against Osama bin Laden while at the same time giving sanctuary to Chechen rebels. "We faced double standards in the attitude towards terrorism," he said.

Putin warned that attempts to negotiate with Chechen separatists were as dangerous as the appeasement of Nazi Germany in the years before World War Two.

Putin’s comments are likely to put further distance between Russia and the West, which has repeatedly criticized Russia for human rights violations in Chechnya.
<snip>

Tell that to the grieving Mothers.

[Jobu]

33. While your idea may appeal to so called "Security Moms,"...

...logistically it would be very difficult to deliver. If Sen. Kerry were to promise that he was going to put Marines (or more generally military) outside every school in America, then this is what it would take to make good on that promise:

in 2000-2001 there were 93,273 public elementary and secondary schools. In 1999-2000 there were 27,223 private elementary and secondary schools (http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d02/tables/dt087.asp). As of Jan 2004, there were 2,996 charter schools (http://www.edreform.com/index.cfm?fuseAction=stateStats&pSectionID=14&cSectionID=44). Assuming only a platoon (12 troops -- A smaller force would be ineffective against what we saw happen in Russia) for each of the 123,492 schools in America, you will need at least 1,481,904 troops. This doesn't include replacements if anyone gets sick, injured or needs to go home on leave -- which they will. Currently the military only has 1,429,684 people serving (http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/military/ms2.pdf). With troops engaged in the War on Terror and doing other duties, there simply isn't enough troops to do school security duty (or guard the border as some conservatives suggest).

If Kerry were to make such a promise, he would have to double the size of the military. Do you really want that? Also, I know people in the military and they wouldn't join if they were going to do guard duty at a school. That would be a demeaning, unattractive job for a professional military person. But, if Kerry promises this during the debate and doesn't deliver, he will be labeled as a .... (you know what goes here).

Perhaps a better suggestion would be to have security guards posted at each school to take the place of your military suggestion (but, I think many schools already have this). Schools that already don't have these guards will need additional funding to pay the guard's salaries, tapping an already diminishing resource. However, I wonder how effective these private security guards would be against a determined attacking force like we saw in Russia?

Please don't take this as criticism; new ideas are important. But it is also important to figure out if something is really do-able before we suggest Kerry go off half-cocked and promise something that simply cannot be delivered, just to get votes. Credibility is key!

[ItsMyParty]

38. Mad Jack--indeed there are security personnel at schools

and Kerry may be able to enlarge on this. Most of them are only at the high school level. Many of them are slated to be cut because of municipal woes. Akin to the "more cops on the beat" can be "more cops to guard our schools"---money to keep high school cops, and to give cops to every school in the country. My kin our school adminstrators. They know the politics of the police in the school and know that they are targeted for extinction because of budgets. Here is a place that Kerry can come in. Instead of the "cops on the street" cut by Bush, a proposal to put cops near the classroom to protect your children. WHATEVER---they lie and don't deliver. We need to address this or the "security moms" think this fucking asshole will protect their children.

[Mike L]

37. This sounds TOTALLY logical. Something freaked them out all the sudden.

It was either the school thing or Kerry coming out against the Iraq War (on Labor Day). I can't believe it was Iraq.

Yes, he should mention school security. Most schools have security guards anyway. Say that he will beef them up, give them anti-terrorist training, whatever.

[geek tragedy]

41. Excellent post.

Kerry needs to let these women know how he will protect their children. He needs to connect with them on that very human and emotional level.

Fuck the NASCAR dads--he needs to show how he will keep children safe.

I don't need to be convinced, and I think it's a stupid thing to have to debate.

But Kerry already has my vote.

The troops may not be viable, but:

1. Pointing out the need to keep more Nat'l guardsmen HOME;

2. Increasing police and fire and first responders;

3. Increasing port security;

4. The fact that Bush is obsessed with fighting the enemy overseas while doing very little to keep the enemy out.

Those four things can be used to appeal to this demographic.

[agincourt]

44. The war on terrorism,

is international. This event could easily happen here, they just haven't found anybody to do it yet. Putin's policies on terror are similiar to Bush's, just hammer away and hope they go away. We need some one intelligent to fight terrorism who will get at the root causes and catch the ones at large. The terrorists just haven't got to the US yet, it's not that they're afraid of Bush by any means. Oh, BTW, Security moms, I didn't know the school terrorists were iraqi.

[LastDemStanding]

46. It's My Party Too

In my party we don't call women stupid for valid concerns. Terrorism is a valid concern. Calling them stupid is the wrong approach.